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Ice Bear 110 cc Monkey Sidecar
I have been getting PMs from here and ADVrider about my new Ice Bear PBZ110-1P Z50 clone monkey sidecar so I am starting this thread for us to share information.
Some seem to be concerned about buying from http://www.saferwholesale.com/110cc-...%20monkeyp.htm where I bought mine. The delivery was slow as it arrived after two weeks. The MSO and official invoice arrived in the mail last week so all is well.
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In the crate.
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Hooked up the trailer for a run to the garbage dump.
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On the Dragon.
Really a fun bike to ride. Cheap way to experience a sidecar. I had just sold my Ural so needed a rig to ride the neighbor kids around on.
Just changed the front sprocket from 15 to 17 tooth last night to improve the gearing so that first gear will last more than across the intersection.
I'll let the PMer's know about this thread.
So far I have added the boat seat, added the number plate to hide the battery and wiring, and changed the front sprocket.
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This is a good idea to break up your bike collection into different threads. We still haven't seen much about your Z50 replica, as your attention seems to be on this bike and the DAX replica. Of your three, I think I like this bike the best, although a CT70 is probably one of the first bikes I lusted after as a kid. This one seems to have all the fun 'stuff' rolled into one, and I bet if I had seen one of these as a kid, my taste in bikes would have been just a little slightly altered from the DAX!
Your Skyteam Z50 replica is very recognizable as a popular Honda model--this bike, is it a replica of an older Z50? It is definitely Honda Z50-ish, but older?
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The Z50 clone is feeling like a red headed step child. The CT70 clone is the most practical of the three to ride but the hack is the most fun.
Nothing wrong with the red Z50 bike but I might just put it up for sale.
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Cell phone holder from
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351154025188...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Speedometer app on my cell phone so I can check accuracy of the bike's speedometer. 32 F this morning so might be a while before I make a test run.
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Still breaking her in at 300 KMs so trying not to run too hard. Ran up to 42 MPH GPS for a short spurt, had some more left. The speedometer reads 35 MPH and GPS shows 25 MPH. I assume the GPS is accurate.
Maybe replacing the 3.50-8 with 4.00-8 will improve accuracy and get some more gearing up which I think is needed.
That change will give a diameter increase of about 1" increase from 15" to 16" for approx 8 % increase in circumference.
http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tube...otorcycle-tire
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/421-series
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A couple of questions for you Barnone.
1: How accurate a replica is it of the Honda Z50?
2: Is it a hard tail?
3: Could the frame accomodate 10" wheels and tyres?
Cheers.
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1. Never owned or seen a real Honda Z50 that I can remember so not sure how accurate a replica.
2. The bike and the sidecar are both hard tails so therefore are rough riding on bumpy roads. I'm going to put a spring seat on it eventually which should help a bit. I have to take it slow on my rough driveway but it is fine on smooth gravel or pavement. Fun to slide her around on smooth gravel.
3. I'll check on clearance for 10" wheels. I do have some 4.00-8 tires on the way so that is my first choice.
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Thanks Barnone.
I have a hankering to build a Z50 race bike from scratch but fit it with 10" tyres as i have a surplus of those in the garage.
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trexuk
Thanks Barnone.
I have a hankering to build a Z50 race bike from scratch but fit it with 10" tyres as i have a surplus of those in the garage.
Are you thinking about building a Z50 sidecar race bike or a two wheeled Z50 race bike?
This is my Z50 clone 2013 Sky Team ST125-8A.
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It is not a hardtail. I believe that 10'' wheels will fit it.
Some info for 10" wheels on hard tail here
http://planetminis.com/forums/z50-ct...10-wheels.html
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I purchased a plastic trailer fender with a skirt in order to keep the monkey's finger out of the sidecar wheel.
http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Fend...n/F008550.html
Had to do some trimming of the fender to get it to fit but no big deal. I think it will provide the protection that I needed.
Just need some smaller fender washers to finish the job. Two bolts through the existing bracket secured the front and two pipe clamps secured the back. Just need to extend the skirt a bit in the front and add some running lights to complete the project.
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Just changed the front and driver wheel to 4.00-8 from 3.50-8. Gained about 3" in circumference from 47" to 50" which should correct the speedometer a bit and add a little more gear. The sidecar would not take the increase in size so it stays a 3.50.
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I'm going to have to get me one of those sidehack clones.... Too tempting.
Also... For $200 from Walmart, this is very tempting. If only they carried a larger version.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/20-Impakt-...cycle/12554957
I've seen photos on the web where people fit them with higher seat posts and bars so adults could ride them. I'd probably be tempted to put a 5 speed rear hub on it too.
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Neat bicycle.
I was riding her today and am getting good at flying the car. Great fun. I'm now legal riding her as she is registered in FL.
I'll ride her to the Dragon on Sunday morning assuming it is not raining.
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At the Cheoah Dam (aka The Fugitive movie dam) on my way to run the Dragon. Kinda cold here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.
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On the way back home. Warmed up nicely.
Cruises at 35 MPH GPS, tops out at 45 MPH GPS with 17/32 and 4.00-8 tires. Speedometer is now off by 5 MPH optimistic at 30 MPH indicated. 30 MPH speedometer is 25 MPH GPS.
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The sidecar's turn signal(s) look bogus. Are they two rubber stalks bac-to-back?
I'm definitely getting one of these to clean things up.
http://floridasidecarproducts.com/ya...0804_large.JPG
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Yes, they are what you described.
Like what you found to clean thing up on the sidecar fender.
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Are you riding the Z50 monkey clone bike much? What does it look like it might cruise at?
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Are you riding the Z50 monkey clone bike much? What does it look like it might cruise at?
It has been ignored but I'll ride it next week with my GPS app on my cell phone to report on the top and cruising speed with the 17 tooth front sprocket.
Tomorrow I plan to ride the CT70 clone to Deal Gap (AKA the Dragon) for our last Sunday morning breakfast meeting as they are closing for the off season. I'll report on it's top and cruising speed now that it has the 17 tooth front sprocket and is broken in.
IMHO The CT70 clone has a better price, bigger wheels and has more room so it is preferred over the Z50 clone.
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barnone
IMHO The CT70 clone has a better price, bigger wheels and has more room so it is preferred over the Z50 clone.
It is ironic that with just the addition of a sidecar, Icebear made their z50 replica a true utility/attention-getting machine. I would think that if you are selling the z50, perhaps you can do an engine swap with your Icebear? Might not be worth the hassle for minimal gain, but throwing it out there since I get to live vicariously through you and your monkey bike collection.
Birdmove--if they still have the $900 deal on the DAX clones, even with shipping to Hawaii, that is your next bike.
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Yep, if you wanna play with a sidecar rig get the monkey hack.
The CT70 is a more practical ride over the Z50 if you are looking for transportation. But everybody knew that.:lol8:
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This is that outfit out of Huntington Beach, Cal. area that modifies the real z50s, CT70s and sells and modifies clones. I posted a video of them on Interstate 5 between San Francisco and the L.A. area hitting 80mph on a Z50 clone, if you remember. This one is a fun in the snow with a sidehack:
http://youtu.be/L085OwkfVkc
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I looked over my receipt from SaferWholesale, and somehow it had my Gmail email address on it instead of hotmail. I almost never use my Gmail acct, so maybe their form auto-filled it in. Anyway, I opened the Gmail acct and the bike shipped on the 31st. It says it shipped out of Atlanta, so it must be the distributor that I communicated with in the past. If anyone is looking to save shipping costs on one of these little beasts, pick-up from Atl is probably a possibility. Shipping weight is listed at 300lbs.
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I got a phone call from the freight company. It should be here tomorrow ! Hopefully we can get it unloaded from the box truck to the bed of my pickup by sliding it down my mc loading ramps.
Barnone-- How tippy is the little rig in right hand corners? Do you keep any weight in the sidecar, or just lean to the right? Maybe it's low enough that it's pretty stable?
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scottro
I got a phone call from the freight company. It should be here tomorrow ! Hopefully we can get it unloaded from the box truck to the bed of my pickup by sliding it down my mc loading ramps.
Barnone-- How tippy is the little rig in right hand corners? Do you keep any weight in the sidecar, or just lean to the right? Maybe it's low enough that it's pretty stable?
Very tippy in right hand corners but if you lean in you can keep the car on the ground. I've gotten quite good at flying the car. I can fly it for miles and even around tight corners. Great fun.
I would never fly the car when I was riding my ex Ural on the road. I did fly it in parking lots for practice.
I think you need lean in instead of lean out like in a normal rig. I adjusted the normal 1 degree lean out and the car really wanted to fly. So I went back to the way it was set up in the crate. Neat and easy adjustment of the toe in.
The nuts on the struts need to be unscrewed and then the bolts need need to be unscrewed. The nuts are lock nuts. Quite a neat and well thought out little rig. I'd leave the setup as delivered and ride it for a while before changing it.
No weight in the car. The rig is so light the your body weight has much more effect than it would in a heavier rig.
We slid the crate from the semi into the bed of my truck with no problem. Just ease it over. I don't think you need the ramps.
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That's great the sidecar can be adjusted. I didn't know that. I've got an R69 BMW with sidecar that I've only toyed with flying the chair. I've scared myself a few times in sharp downhill or off camber right-handers.
My truck's an '89 Toyota 2wd, so it's a little lower than most newer ones. If the driver's the sort that will help unload, then I don't foresee much trouble. I just want to be prepared in case he's of the "Not my job" sort who only drives.
I got one of the Snow Hog tires mounted on the Z50 clone on Sunday. It's going to look pretty crazy when I get both front and rear on the bike. lol
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Oh, I didn't realize that you have a sidecar rig or maybe I forgot. You will love flying the mini hack.
It is very easy to adjust. Much simpler than my Ural and I imagine also your BMW.
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I got one of the Snow Hog tires mounted on the Z50 clone on Sunday. It's going to look pretty crazy when I get both front and rear on the bike. lol
Did you see that video above about the hack in the snow?