Regal Raptor DG-350E-6

This is pretty cool for a baby chopper....

I found this today at a local dealer (Jin Mau) in Chengdu. I went looking for this specifically.

Its looks well-made. The parts that should be billet are billet, The parts that should be cast as cast. The chrome plating looks nice; no pits. really good welds. Some of the best I have ever seen. Paint and anodizing are really good. I couldn't find a single flaw on the one on the showroom floor

It is a heavy bike. The rear tire is very big for the size bike. So, is the front tire. It seems like I was picking up a much bigger bike when I stood it up off the stand.

I am going to bet that won't be mistaken for a rocket ship. That little motor may be plenty once it is up to speed, but I don't think it going to break any records getting there. I don't know. I haven't ridden one yet.

If you can't read the specs in the pic, here they are:

2500mm x 900mm x 1160 mm
Double cylinder water cooled
Bore 62mm x Stroke 53mm
C/R 10.2:1
320cc
Power - 15.5 KW/ 20.8 HP @8000 Rpm
Torque - 22.0 @6500 Rpm
Wheel base 1835mm
Max Load 150kg
Max. Speed 118km/h (75 MPH)

Quoted price 23,000 RMB (3,367.50 USD) I didn't bargain. I just asked. I'm sure I could get them down to about 18,000 RMB, perhaps even lower.

I have a lot more to research before buying. Parts availability, warranty details, license fees, drivers license, check out other bikes, a look into the financial stability of the mfg's, etc, etc.

Anyone that has anything to say about this bike/model/mfg should feel free to chime in...at this point, when it comes to knowing anything about Chinese made bikes...I am a complete idiot!

All input is welcome!

Anyway, here's a couple pics...

LH1953,

Be careful with those stats, they are probably incorrect..mostly! From previous experience Regal Raptor claim 15.5 KW for their 250cc twin (233.8cc exactly). I think they claim 17KW for the 350cc (320cc) bikes.

I think the cruiser style bikes that they make are better than their regular street bikes, mostly because the cruisers can get heavy without upsetting their customers too much, which means water cooling and bigger shocks, which are more capable of taking the weight. They also pretty decent jobs of chroming and painting. But check some of the bolts for tightness, even ones you might not expect. We had a friend who bought a 250cc water cooled chopper and it stayed in great condition for ages, even though it was left outside.

I paid 10,000 for my air-cooled road 250cc bike, (see other thread), it's decent, but has a few finishing issues, but can be upgraded into a decent bike.

In the west 350cc is pretty small I agree, but in China with everything going slower it kinda feels faster. I would suggest that Regal Raptors are possibly the best of the Chinese cruisers, but do some research first, maybe Jialing engines are better or Kymco might be able to get a better made cruiser.

350 is PLENTY of power in China and anything more than that can become dangerous pretty fast. I suggest getting a smaller, lighter bike with plenty of parts support and suspension travel to learn the ropes of riding in China. Keep it for a year or so and if you feel like a low rider will fit your bill, switch over then. Don't forget, on a lower bike you will have less visibility of traffic and vice-versa.

Also, please consider spending more time researching the driving license if you haven't already. You will enjoy your time riding in China much more if you have the proper documentation... especially now that the rules are clamping down a bit on riders. :deal:

CC

Appreciate the advice Carl. I downloaded the drivers exam and read it. Then took the test in my living room. I missed 6. I'll read it over again and then go schedule to take the real test.

I've been riding for about 40 years. China is a different animal, but I have ridden in most every continent including SA and Africa. I made a trip from Berlin to Johannesburg back in the 80's. That was a year of my life. Going slow and being aware is 95% of the battle. I'm a putter. In America, I had a custom ( I built it myself) with a 100 CID/100 HP Revtech, softail, 200 rear tire, 38 degree rake. It weighed 375 pounds and was a rocket....but I never got it over 80 MPH. Put 26,000 miles on it in 3 years. I have probably close to 500,000 miles on two wheels. I'm also an ex superbike racer from the 70's. (Kawasaki 900Z)

For me, traffic is not a problem. Cagers don't like the speed I'm going, they are free to pass me. I don't care. Most of my riding will be on rural/suburban roads..who know...I may even get passed by an ox cart.

I've been checking out the V-twins. I like some of them, but they still don't look as good as the Regal Raptor Spyder 350. Now, if the Spyder 350 was a V-twin, that would be perfect! Everything I am reading about them says that they are probably the finest quality bike made by the Chinese. I hate being broke down.

I think once I have my drivers license in hand, I will go ahead and order one for delivery in March 2010.

If anything better comes along, I still have time to look and read. If they announce models with a bigger motor, I may wait for that. Spring is still a long time away...

LH1953, have you seen this part of mychinamoto....?

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=49

The section has some pretty cool Regal bikes to check out :riding:

LH,

Not trying to deride your riding abilities, skills or experiences but just floating my standard disclaimers about riding in China. A couple people have managed to meet their ends in China on motorbike and it's something I'd REALLY like to avoid if at all possible.

Only a few years ago the traffic in chengdu was pleasant to ride in.. especially at night when you could cruise all through the city with no traffic or cops. It was a lot of fun to head out on a cool evening to meet friends, check out all the little sao cao stands and explore the nooks and crannies of the city.

There's a member here who's worth contacting...goes by name of DHFox. IIRC, he lives in the north side of town, owns a truck, CJ750 and my old dauntless Jialing JH150GY2.

Also, if you happen to meet any of the Chengdoo magazine staff, please say hello for me. Have you pretty much settled into the city?

CC

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Appreciate the advice Carl. I downloaded the drivers exam...

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Carl, I take all advice to heart. I listen to everything and apply it where it fits best. I didn't come to China to meet my doom, so I know what you mean.

We are pretty settled where we are now for the foreseeable future. Our son goes to school just a few blocks away, my wife's sister lives a few blocks away and the rest of her family is within 2 km.

I have managed to memorize some of the bus schedules and routes. As I said earlier, I don't read or speak Chinese and Chengdu is not a English speaking friendly town so wherever I go, I pretty much have to have my wife in tow to navigate.

Traffic in this part of the city is bad, most of the time. It gets much better after about 11 pm, but by then, we are settled in for the night.

I didn't come here to teach or work. This job just kind of fell into my lap and they made me an offer I couldn't turn down. If it was any more than the two day a week schedule, I probably would have said no. I am "officially" retired and I will not be returning to the U.S. This is home now. With a little luck ( and probably a lot of groveling), I hope to move out of this monster city after our son is out of school. But that won't be for at least another 4 years.

I have a lot to do. We are headed to HK to change my visa so I can legally work and then when we get back, I need to find a school for my wife to learn English and a school for me to learn Chinese. I am also working on my TEFL so I can hope to be a more effective teacher. In and among all of that, there is family stuff, helping my son with his homework, trying to teach him not to be so reliant on his mother, and sneaking off to Hooter's for some English conversation and a few beers now and then. Now we add to that researching motorcycles, studying for the drivers exam and trying to figure out the bureaucratic abyss called Vehicle Registration.

Those are some pretty nice bikes in the Raptor Forum. I am going to say that I have no interest in customizing the bike I will buy. That of course, is a lie. Customizing will come as things break, fall off, wear out, become unsuitable, etc. First order of business will be to minimize the handlebar "buzz". A bag of sand and a tube of silicone should take care of that. Next would be isolator hand grips and foot pegs. Third of course would be more power out of that motor. If I can find a dyno in this town, I can get a torque curve profile and have a new cam made to my specs. I built racing engines my entire life, so if there is 35 HP in there, I'll find it. Many years ago, I made a quick change two-piece rear sprocket for my KW Ninja 1100 for high speed long distance travel, so I may dig out my drawing board and go to work on that if I find that we are riding at speeds that make the motor rev too high for comfort.

Other than all of that, it's just day to day living in the Du!

LH1953,

If you are so keen on having more power, and want to stay in China long term why not just buy a real Harley?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/...c8ed3fce26.jpg

One of the new sportster 883's would be high enough for visibility and the rake is nice enough to handle well. They are registrable in China, but do cost a heck of a lot.

I wouldn't worry about top speeds in China. The bike should be able to cruise fine at 100 (62 Mph) KMh. The fastest I've ever been over here is 140 Kmh (80 Mph), even then I needed the right road at the right time of day, with the right conditions. Also instead of worrying about power, I would get some Dunlop tires from Hong Kong, and think about changing the carb, and at least improving the brake pads.

Lots of rural roads are covered in sand, dirt and small rocks, without knowing what is even around the next bend, wouldn't the Daytona 350 be a better bike for the conditions?

http://www.motori.hr/pic2/tn/2871SPYDER350_G2.jpg

I've owned Harleys. I'll never own another one. They are the most over-priced, mediocre bike made. I imagine that in China, they are even more over-priced and parts would be an issue here in Chengdu.

Another reason is that I live here. I work and am paid in RMB, live on the local economy and I would not even consider spending more than 20,000 RMB on a bike. Plainly speaking, I just can't afford it. I have a wife, a son that needs to go to college in a few years and a mother-in-law that needs financial help. High priced toys are out of the question. If you have a Chinese wife, then you know that the bare minimum of money that will go into savings every month is 30% of your salary. That is a bare minimum and any time more can go into savings, it will.

If I ever decide that a big bike is a necessity, I will take a bike that has potential and modify it so that it looks like it was made that way.

You might be right about the Daytona. I'll take a closer look at it. I do like the longer front-end though. Here is Sichuan, there are plenty of roads that are paved, even so that dirt roads are only used when absolutely necessary.

As I have said, I'm a putter. Paved roads, nice weather, comfortable ride...if I can't have all three...I'll just keep my ass on the couch.

With this forum and all my new found friends:goodtime:, I'm sure I could get one of you to ship me stuff (hi-po parts) if I can't find it locally.

When I said covered in sand dirt and small rocks, I meant the actual road surface, not dirt tracks, but then some places that actually should be roads are dirt tracks!

There are nice roads, sometimes really stunning roads, with beautiful views, but usually you've got go down some so-so roads to get there, this means having something with less rake than a spider offering you a better view to enable you to unleash that 23hp! Also ground clearance is an issue on the roads.

I too have a Chinese wife, I understand the financial difficulties and how much money they save, and I support myself inside the Chinese economy as you do, that 's why I bought a regal Raptor myself too. Otherwise I'd have something imported.

If you want a Regal Raptor find a good dealer, remember that what you buy could be the first one of its type to be registered in that region, this could be a problem, so pay a deposit and wait for them to get the bike in, and to register it in your wife's name. When it arrives and has plates and documentation, pay in full. Also check the VIN plate to make sure it is an 09 model or 2010 if that is when you buy it.

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Why should I register it in my wife's name?

There are other Spyder 300's here. I've talked to a guy that has one of them. His comments are what are carrying the biggest weight in directing me to this particular model.

It may be easier for your wife to register depending on your visa and the name on your drivers license when you get it. The name on my Chinese license is my Chinese name "Wang Fei Shi" and there were problems when I went to register a bike and my passport only had my English name. They want ALL the names and such to match which can be a pain in the ass if you don't plan the names on your various documentation carefully. Don't forget they'll want to see your PSB registration as well. You may also have future problems if your passport expires during the time you are there (since the number will change and that also needs to match).

Registration in China also includes the cost of insurance...this of course means more documentation. They are done at the same vehicle registration/inspection station in XiPu, waaay NW of the city... I'm sure you've seen it already. Things may have changed in the past year since I've left the Du so this is just my best guess.

Who do you know who has a Spyder 300? I may know them.

CC

Do I need a Chinese name to get a D/L? If not, everything will match and the bike will go in my name. Haven't explored much of the NW side of the city yet.

The guys name is Gunar. I've only spoken to him on the phone. He has had his Spyder about 1 1/2 years. Seems like a nice guy. He answered all my questions. The dealership gave me his phone number without asking if it was OK first...but it turned out OK. He is real happy with his.

As Carl explained, the bike could go in your name, but this is serious hassle, as you will be using a passport and visa, and those numbers change often. Also you need to be on a residency visa for it to be possible to have it in your name.

Using a Chinese ID card is much easier. It doesn't matter whose name the bike is in, so long as the bike is registered, insured and has annual government safety tests after the bike is two or three years old, it's perfectly legal for you to ride. In many areas the police won't change the name on a bikes documentation if the bike is second hand, because they are too lazy. Almost every foreigner I know that has a bike has it in their wife or girlfriend's name, I'm on my 3rd bike in China, and I've never had one on my own name!

Ah, yes! The visa numbers. I forgot about that. They are going to change yearly or thereabouts. Oh well, everything we have bought is in the wife's name, I guess this might as well be, too. HAHHAAH Does that mean she has to stand in line for days instead of me?:clap: She'll love that!!!!:gun_bandana:

Althugh it may be different now, I think the line to get it registered will not be so bad. The whole process can be done in a few hours usually...assuming you have ALL the correct paperwork and documentation.

Don't forget that when you get the registration/insurance for a new bike you will need to take the bike to the XiPu station for it to be inspected. IIRC, You get your plates as the very last step in a small building outside the main complex on the other side of the main parking lot.

Also, there's another member on here, GingerAdams, who also currently lives in Chengdu and is in much the same boat as you right now. He may send you a Private Message (PM) soon.

CC

I talked to GingerAdam. Unfortunately, he is here on a tourist visa visiting a friend, just passing through. He 1.) won't be here more than a few more days, 2.) Doesn't have a Resident Permit, 3.) Can't register a bike if he bought one, so he wouldn't be able to get it out of the country.

Nice guy though, he wanted to ride back to the U.K.

We are going to HK tomorrow to get my correct visa for teaching. Will return on Thursday. I should be able to schedule my test for my drivers license within two weeks after I get back, barring any unforeseen schedule changes.

I'm going to go back to the dealership and ask when the 2010 model will be available to order. I have a few more questions for them; ie: what modifications will void the warranty, cost of extended warranty, etc.

Wife said to get it when I am ready, so as soon as I can order a 2010, I will order it.

Can anyone point me to the specs on this engine and transmission? I'm look for the deep specs, one or two piece crankshaft, cam profiles, DOHC or SOHC, gear ratios, everything...

How about a maintenance book, parts catalog?

The Johnny Pag web page is not a bad place to start your research. It's got downloadable specs, service manual, parts catalogs and some other fun stuff.

http://www.johnnypag.com/motorcycles...r300/index.php

You can also probably try contacting him, or someone from his company directly if the answers you seek aren't there.

CC

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Can anyone point me to the specs on this engine and transmission? I'm look for the deep specs, one or two piece crankshaft, cam profiles, DOHC or SOHC, gear ratios, everything...

How about a maintenance book, parts catalog?

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If you are looking for specs you should be able to find out some things by finding out about Honda CMX250 CB250N CL250 CB350 and CL350 engines. Be careful to ignore things about the CB250RS, because that was a single cylinder.

The 350cc engines and 250cc engines are supposed to be pretty similar. I'm not certain how similar the original Honda engines are to what regal raptor currently use. Although Regal Raptor have a system of putting fresh air down the exhaust valves to pass emission tests. :lol8:I believe many of the engineers think that the engines resemble late 80's to mid 90's Honda Rebel CMX 250 engines.

http://www.cyclepedia.com/wp-content.../02/cmx250.jpg

Also you should only need to present your wife's ID card to the dealership or just a photocopy, then pay a deposit (500-1000RMB). They should be then able to do all paperwork and sort everything else out, including ordering the bike from the factory, getting the bike tested, getting number plates, getting the photo taken, and insurance.

Absolutely do not pay in full until the bike is road ready and road legal, and set up to your specifications. A few of our friends didn't ask for our advice, and paid in full for a bike without plates. What then happens is that the dealers don't care about getting plates and documentation, because they already have your money!

Hi. I figured I might as well chime in, as I have a Honda Rebel here in Shanghai. A friend of mine also just bought a DD=250 E9B (under Chopper custom).

Having looked at the Regal Raptors, a few observation can be made.

They are all based on Honda CMX250 Rebels, specifically the Japanese Domestic Market edition. Therefore, unlike US Rebels, they have twin carbs and the disk brake is on the right on the single disk models.

As you go along the line, various mods have been made to the original design. Water cooling, boring the engine out ot 300 or 350 cc's, etc.

Most Honda parts will fit a Regal Raptor, and Vice versa.

The chopper customs are most similar to the Honda Rebel with the other models more and more diverging from the theme. The 'spyder' cruisers give you a rear monoshock (for a hardtail look) and a more raked out front end. The Daytona cruisers give you a different fuel tank and rear fender.

That said my suggestion would be to try sitting on a DD250E, the air cooled basic Honda Rebel clone. Simpler (so less to go wrong) and the frame and chassis are definitely properly engineered. My Rebel easily hits 120 km/h, so it is certainly fast enough. Having ridden the water cooled 250, I found the increased mass and complexity did not make up for the slightly increased power. I am guessing the 350 would be even heavier. Also, the less raked out front end gives you more maneuverability and less stability. The Spyder is probably too raked out to be able to avoid brain dead Chinese pedestrians.

Finally, the monoshock RR's just plain don't seem to have the rear schocks to deal with the weight 2 up.

So, in short, I think you should consider forgoing the water cooled 350 engine for the aircooled 250 and should forgo the spyder for the twin shock 'chopper.' This is based on riding my rebel and trying a water cooled chopper.

iamcanjim,

I agree with you, on most points! :icon10:

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They are all based on Honda CMX250 Rebels, specifically the Japanese Domestic Market edition. Therefore, unlike US Rebels, they have twin carbs and the disk brake is on the right on the single disk models.

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Correct! Unless they are the Regal Raptor road bikes, in which case they are based on CB250Ns, with some home grown technology inspired by later Hondas such as CB400 or Hornets.

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As you go along the line, various mods have been made to the original design. Water cooling, boring the engine out ot 300 or 350 cc's, etc.

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Maybe, but there were some original Honda 350 twins (320cc), many years ago. Could be simply bored out 250's though, not sure. Water cooling is fairly orginal with these engines though.

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my suggestion would be to try sitting on a DD250E, the air cooled basic Honda Rebel clone. Simpler (so less to go wrong) and the frame and chassis are definitely properly engineered. My Rebel easily hits 120 km/h, so it is certainly fast enough. Having ridden the water cooled 250, I found the increased mass and complexity did not make up for the slightly increased power

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Possibly, my suggestion would be that Regal Raptor engines are inferior to the Jialing/Honda engine in your bike (when new), and ideally need at least oil cooling to give optimum power in hot weather. But water cooling may be too much weight, agreed.

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The Spyder is probably too raked out to be able to avoid brain dead Chinese pedestrians.

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So true! :lol8:

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Finally, the monoshock RR's just plain don't seem to have the rear shocks to deal with the weight 2 up.

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Very true, disk brakes and a monoshock may seem ideal, but in reality it really depends on the quality of the parts used, much less than what 'it is' in theory. But the twin shocks aren't that wonderful either!

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So, in short, I think you should consider forgoing the water cooled 350 engine for the aircooled 250 and should forgo the spyder for the twin shock 'chopper.' This is based on riding my rebel and trying a water cooled chopper.

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If he was able to test ride the Daytona, Spyder, and 'chopper', for at least 10 kms each, I'm sure would be able to make a good judgment about which bike is right for him, sadly, this is China and this may prove impossible :sad:.

It's actually funny, my Rebel is actually not as nimble as my previous Suzuki GZ150. I think it's the higher weight and the increased rake. I know when I ride the bike lanes (I know I shouldn't, but it's China!) I am working a lot harder than Nuhaus on the GZ.

I have noticed Jialing is producing bikes with GZ copy frames and CMX copy engines. I wonder how well that will work.

I actually ending up replacing the Honda engine in my rebel with a Chinese engine. The crankshaft had about 3 mm of play, and the rings were shot. I would have preferred to replace the rings, pistons and crank journals, but I didn't think my mechanic would be able to do it right. So I got a new engine for the same money.

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iamcanjim,

I agree with you, on most points! :icon10:



Correct! Unless they are the Regal Raptor road bikes, in which case they are based on CB250Ns, with some home grown technology inspired by later Hondas such as CB400 or Hornets.



Maybe, but there were some original Honda 350 twins (320cc), many years ago. Could be simply bored out 250's though, not sure. Water cooling is fairly orginal with these engines though.



Possibly, my suggestion would be that Regal Raptor engines are inferior to the Jialing/Honda engine in your bike (when new), and ideally need at least oil cooling to give optimum power in hot weather. But water cooling may be too much weight, agreed.



So true! :lol8:



Very true, disk brakes and a monoshock may seem ideal, but in reality it really depends on the quality of the parts used, much less than what 'it is' in theory. But the twin shocks aren't that wonderful either!



If he was able to test ride the Daytona, Spyder, and 'chopper', for at least 10 kms each, I'm sure would be able to make a good judgment about which bike is right for him, sadly, this is China and this may prove impossible :sad:.

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Anyone care to nail down exactly what motor is in the Spyder 350? Anyone got any experience with these? Where can I get a technical manual on this motor in English? I tried going to the Raptor club website, but it ain't in English so it does me no good.

Is there a upgrade to the rear shocks that will allow for comfortable one-up and two-up riding? Care to share that mfg and part number?

Power for the bike is not a concern. I am an experience machinist and engine builder. If there is more power in there, I can find it when/if I want to. If there isn't, I know how to modify cams, headflow, stoke, bore, etc. to get more. I also can do a complete transplant of a bigger motor. There is plenty of room in the engine cradle.

The Daytona is nice, but I prefer the longer front end. I'm not worried about the brain-dead Chinese pedestrians. The amount of riding in dense population will be very minimal and loud pipes will help. I know it will not be a cure, but it will help. I'm not a crazed biker. I pay attention to my surroundings and do my best to anticipate the stupidity of the masses.

I greatly appreciate the help!

LH, have you contacted Johnny Pag? They are in the US, and have a good reputation for their re-badged Regal bikes here (although they are a little pricey), so should be able to shed some light on the bikes for you.

Yea, I sent an email. Also, reading his site info, JP's have a JPM 300 engine. Does this stand for Johnny Pag Manufacturing? Is it the same engine as is sold in the bikes inside China? Questions! Questions! Questions!

I like to know what I am getting into before I get into it. Nothing is happening until I can find the info I need to make a logical, fact-based decision.

For those that have one of these bikes, where did you get a repair manual?

I have searched for hours and hours and have not come up with a site that has any repair/technical related material. It is all "fluff and wow".

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Just did that, it's a bored out CMX250 engine (bored to 320cc).

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If you think that avoiding pedestrians is a city only problem, you are misleading yourself. Many rural areas have chickens, dogs, children, old people and so on, who may run out into the road at any time, plus the surface of the road is covered with gravel, sand, dust and so on. This is why most people who choose to ride in China, do so on a dual sport, motards or regular road bikes.

ZMC...I have ridden all over the world. I seriously doubt that anything I will encounter will be any different than riding in rural India or Pakistan, Thailand, the P.I. or even most places in S.Am.

I am well aware that there will be obstacles. I didn't hit any in the other countries, so I am fairly confident that I can avoid whatever gets in my way in China.

One thing that would help this bike immensely is to get rid of the raked triple tree. It throws the rake and trail way off. It adds 5 degrees to the rake. A 37 degree rake would be easier and safer.

And yes, I was riding a chopper, not a little baby light-weight one as this is, but a full size Harley with a 38 degree rake and before that a KW 900.

I'm going back to Jin Mo tomorrow to see if I can order a repair manual in English and to look some more. Perhaps I will take a look at a Daytona if they have one. I will also discuss deposits, licensing and other concerns with them if I can get them to understand what I am saying.

I may have to enlist the help of a bi-lingual friend to go with me if I am unsuccessful.

Sounds like you know what you doing. Keep in mind many questions on this site about riding in China are asked by newbs to motorcycling who have not experienced different types of bikes and/or 3rd world roads. Therefore, were are not being condescending, we are just trying be informative.

Sound like you know roughly how much power you will get, have an understanding of effects of rake and trail as well as ground clearance.

Back to your specific questions.

The engine one that bike is a reversed engineered and then enhanced bored out CMX250 engine. Somehow the Chinese have added water cooling, using the expedient of adding a water jacked to the cylinder sides. It's a SOHC 2V per cylinder design. Cam is powered by a chain on the right side. It's a 360 degree crank, non counterbalanced. It's vibey, and not in a cool way like a vtwin. It should have a reline of around 9000 rpm.

It will have dual carbs, copies of a Keihn design, same as on a JDM Honda Rebel. In fact, virtually any Honda Rebel part will fit your bike, including crankshafts, valves, cams, etc. The exception are the pistons, as these are larger. I have heard rumours that the pistons are actually copies of another Honda
engine.

Parts in China are a bit of a problem, as generally mechanics don't use part numbers, etc. To upgrade my rear shocks, I took the bike to the mechanic and had him show me shocks, which I inspected and played with until I found ones I liked.
The engine stock will put out about 20 hp at the crank (if the stars align). The engine is made by Dadyw.

Johnney Pag is the US distributor for RR, and have a lot of resources about them. In the UK the distributor is AJS.

Assuming you have lowered you expectations (this isn't a harley, or a big4 bike) it's a damn good bike, especially for the money.

LH1953,

I have ridden in Nepal, India, Thailand and Laos, but not Pakistan. I can certainly tell you that in China unfortunately people seem to have less situational awareness and understanding of road craft than in other countries. There are some massive differences, such as the Indians, Nepalis, Pakistanis and Thais, all drive on the left! The Thais are streets ahead of most Chinese in terms of spatial awareness. Indian cities are quite often busier than Chinese cities, but the Indians have a much better understanding of the speed and direction of other road users, and are constantly looking around and making calculations about where other people are. Certainly stray animals in the road are a danger all over developing Asia. The main difference seems to be education, other Asian countries teach some version of safe road use from childhood where the Chinese do not or do not teach it properly.

In England we have the green cross code:

1. THINK! Find the safest place to cross, then stop.
2. STOP! Stand on the pavement near the kerb.
3. USE YOUR EYES AND EARS! Look all around for traffic, and listen.
4. WAIT UNTIL IT'S SAFE TO CROSS! If traffic is coming, let it pass.
5. LOOK AND LISTEN! When it's safe, walk straight across the road.
6. ARRIVE ALIVE! Keep looking and listening.

This simple code taught properly to young children, saves lives. It may be confusing that even adults in China don't know this, they just run out into the road.

Everyone is telling you, that the rake on the Spyder is too long for Chinese roads. So are you going to chop the frame and buy new shocks to give it less rake? The problem with the bike you have chosen, is that it is heavy and too raked out be usable on Chinese roads most of the time. You can ride the bike here safely, but you will be forced to ride really slowly through every city, village, and down every road with a questionable road surface. Most of the time a good rider on a 125 will be quicker than you in nearly all situations, other than going up a hill, on a slight curve, or in a straight line.

With these Chinese bikes, what makes the difference is stuff like putting proper springs and fluid in the forks, getting imported tires, changing brake pads to a better compound, getting better wheel bearings etc etc, not trying to find a few horses that probably aren't there, and that you'll probably be unable to use anyway.

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