Pioneer (Qingqi) XF200 Starting Problem
Hello.
I have an intermittant starting problem with my Pioneer (Qingqi) 2006 XF200.
The starting mechanism jams occasionally. It can sometimes be freed by putting the bike in gear and pushing backwards but this is not the ideal sulution.
Sometimes the starter motor spins freely with no engine contact.
I believe this model has a starter clutch and it is recommended in the basic instruction manual that you pull the clutch lever in when starting the bike. Could the problem be caused by a worn main clutch causing the starting clutch to work incorrectly? My main cutch appears to be OK.
The problem stops happening for a while when I tighten the clutch cable. Any ideas?
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I am not 100% sure if those are your related parts? You would need to take off the side cover and if you do you need the gasket to replace.
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Its hanging up and why is something to do with all the parts above, I am guessing.
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Rebuilt the motor if just carbon brush wears.
the "motor" shop had something that will fits:
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To me it looks like problem with free wheel, nothing else.
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Originally Posted by
humanbeing
Hi. Thanks for your reply
I have already replaced the starter motor with a compatible Suzuki one (DR 125) but the problem persists.
I managed to get some carbon brushes for the original starter motor also.
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Originally Posted by
MJH
Hello. Thanks for your reply. I have had the engine cover off but there is no sign of wear on the parts you mention. It all seems OK on inspection.
Re: Pioneer (Qingqi) XF200 Starting Problem
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Originally Posted by
Zorge
To me it looks like problem with free wheel, nothing else.
Hi.
I checked the machanism around the starter motor and it all seems intact with no sign of wear.
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If it's not the starter motor, then it must be the Bendix, like my neighbour Zorge suggested. The spring or the washer not moving properly on the shaft.
Next, would be something in the gearbox since tightening the clutch eases the problem.
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Did you replace the starter clutch? It is not releasing the starter gear. That would explain why rolling it backwards knocks it loose.
I bet if you could open the case while it is stuck and could see the teeth on the starter gear and clutch in contact and then rolled it backwards you then would see the clutch retract?
That would be this part.
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I believe that while spinning the teeth come out and when not they retract.
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The starter and the drive are always in contact, its the starter clutch that separates them. That and Neutral separates them, the later from the gear train, rolling the bike backwards while in gear is not advised even while the clutch is pulled, the clutch does not disengage this always in contact scenario that is one way. I believe that is the case because the starter is on the primary drive gear that is on the other side of the drive clutch. So even if the bike has its clutch pulled the contact to the starter gear is still there.
So starting the bike and then putting it in gear and with the clutch pulled and then rolling backwards is putting the area of contact in a direction it is not supposed to go…backwards and if the starter clutch is not fully retracted it could have caused the problem, it may have caused the issue.
