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Legal bikes discovered post-C3 emissions rules
So far, this is what I've discovered can be registered / plated in Beijing (besides the usual suspects of Harleys & BMWs). One dealer's prices in Beijing
Yamaha YBR 250 - 25,800 rmb
Honda Shadow (150 cc) - 15,000 rmb
Honda Fighthawk (150 cc) - 12,800 rmb
* didn't Honda used to sell a bike called the "Nighthawk"?
Regal Raptor 350E-6C - 25,000 rmb
Kymco Venox (250 cc) - 59,800 rmb
* interesting bike
Various scooters, including:
Kymco Like (180 cc) - 13,800
* becoming very popular in Beijing - see lots around, post license plate lottery system
Jialing JH600 (still not sure if Jialing applied/passed C3).
Please add to this list, as you find information.
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Add CFMoto CF250T-6A (Jetmax [Jie-ma]) maxi scooter came out with EuroIII EFI from the get go, and even went an upgrade from second production run on.
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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
Honda Fighthawk (150 cc) - 12,800 rmb
* didn't Honda used to sell a bike called the "Nighthawk"?
That's the Sundiro Honda CBF150. Name taken in inspiration from the nighthawk.
Everything sub 150cc is still registrable under E3 emissions. E3 requires engines over 150cc to be EFI, lower than that carburetor is still OK.
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Add:
CF650NK 650cc twin cylinder sport bike from CFMoto (Hangzhou) see a promo video here
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Hi, I'm going to do the license test on tuesday, can't wait to buy a motorbike, I read more and more in mychinamoto and it sounds to be more and more compliacted. I was thinking about Shineray GY-7. I wrote about it to one of the community members (thank you) and he warned me to check if the bike can be legally registered. I guess he ment the C3 rules. Does it mean I can't register this bike? Is there no special way to do it? Or to pimp the bike with some fancy exhaust pipe to do the standards? I'm a total lame about motorcycles so sorry if my question doesn't sound very serious. looking forward to hear from you, thanks!
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If the bike doesn't meet China3 standards, there's no amount of pimping you can do to make it pass. It's an administrative approval that is between the manufacturer and the government. There are not many bikes that meet the standard right now, especially those with carburetors rather than electronic fuel injection, so the manufacturers, if they want to keep selling in the China market, have to upgrade their bikes to EFI then submit test results that prove that their updated bikes meet the tougher emissions standards.
The list that Lao Jia Huo compiled above is close to comprehensive, though a number of manufacturers have said they would have new C3 compliant bikes in the market sometime in 2011. Not sure about the Shinerays, though it should not be too hard to find out. Check with your local Beijing dealers.
good luck!
cheers
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Thank you for the fast reply. does it mean that all the chinese manufacturers are no allowed to sell their bikes until they meet the standards? That must be quite painfull for the idustry. How about buying a used motorbike?
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filipu
Thank you for the fast reply. does it mean that all the chinese manufacturers are no allowed to sell their bikes until they meet the standards? That must be quite panfull for the idustry. How about buying a used motorbike?
Yes, that's correct. A new motorcycle that does not meet China3 emissions standards cannot be legally registered, and manufacturers are scrambling to make their current models compliant.
A used bike should be OK, as long as is is legally registered, meaning it met the prevailing standard (China2) when that was in force. If you have legal residency and qualify for registration at your current legal address, it should be a straightforward process of transferring ownership of a legal bike from a previous owner to you.
good luck!
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Ok, that's all i need to know for the moment. Many thanks!
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I find this interesting,
http://www.zongshenpem.com/corporate...0110304-1.html
"Chinese central government has fully enacted the emissions standards set out in State Policy No. 3 ("G3') which bans the production and sale of motorcycles that do not meet this emissions standard."
Is that correct did they ban production as well as domestic sale?
Then all non conforming production stopped as of July 1, 2010...I do not think that is correct. I think that the production of nonconforming motorcycle for export markets is still going on. Is it only domestic sale and not production actually the same as before except now at G3 standards above the past G2.
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Kymco Venox (250 cc) - 59,800 rmb
* interesting bike
$9,000.00 ?
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Dear MJH,
Interesting indeed, and the date is accurate. These regulations were promulgated at the middle of last year. I do not believe that they are banning the production of non-C3 compliant bikes FOR EXPORT, as this practice surely continues. But it is in effect for the domestic market. This is why the supply of "registrable" bikes has dried up to just the list Lao Jia Huo posted above.
Chinese government is accustomed to ruling by edict. Chinese people and institutions are not particularly excellent at compliance. But short of finding some sleepy provincial vehicle management bureau that is not yet "with the program", it's highly doubtful that any new bike not meeting C3 standards can be registered anywhere in China.
cheers
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The Yamaha YBR125 still has a carb, but clearly also has a big E3 sticker on the tank.
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ZMC888
The Yamaha YBR125 still has a carb, but clearly also has a big E3 sticker on the tank.
Interesting. E3 and C3 are similar, but not identical. I'm not sure that C3 includes a flat ban on carbs, but I've had that sense. Is the YBR125 you mention a current version, and is it registrable? (It's not on LJH's list.)
cheers
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If it was on production then the impact would be far greater to the industry. Only 150cc or less would be manufactured domestically and all other models could be but those would be by default all globally conforming to the highest international standard.
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Carbed 125 and 150 are fine, it's bikes above 150 that require EFI to pass.
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Then the CF150 would be on the conforming list and ahead of the standard since it is a 150 and has EFI.
http://www.mojomotorcycles.com.au/ad...3/CF-150-2.jpg
That motorcycle would be globally exportable to any market, providing the demand existed and it did not violate any propriety rights of another.
The same would be true for any production motorcycle that meets the new standard, the highest standard meets all others market standard by default.
I would venture to guess that production for export will loose their current tax incentives unless that production is or does meet the new higher standard.
The new five year set of policies moves towards increasing domestic sustainability and in that reduces export dependence.
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Kymco Xciting250 Ri maxi scooters also are legally available and can be licensed in mainland China. The main importer is based in JiangSu, and I know there are ShangHai and HangZhou dealers. Have seen a Kymco Xciting250 Ri in the flesh at a dealer based at the HangZhou motorcycle market July 2010 for rmb49800 - very impressive looking machine.
Current prices are around rmb46000+
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MJH
Kymco Venox (250 cc) - 59,800 rmb
* interesting bike
$9,000.00 ?
Agreed! I saw one of these at a dealer in Beijing (FLH). Looked kinda cool (at first glance, it appeared to be around an 800cc, due to size and profile). Felt nice sitting on it. Build quality looked pretty good.
Yes, I've also hear that <150cc are registrable. I picked up a Yamaha YBR 125 (carb'd) for my sweety - "A" plate was no problem (aside from the ever-increasing price).
Recently, in Beijing, I've noticed a lot of gas stations asking for registration & DL for a fill-up. No idea what the illegal bike guys are doing.
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The Venox is very nice, but the price is way too much.
http://astonishingbikes.com/wp-conte...al-450x302.jpg
It should be no more then 40,000 CYN...but if it was that price then who would buy a mainland made motorcycle.
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OK, I really want this Long March, so I talked with the seller on taobao using my google.translate skills. This is the conversation. As I understand it he says Shineray has this certificate, but then i get lost. does he say you need it only for outside country, or the outside country version has it? please don't laught at my translations;)
filip_winiewicz(2011-06-08 13:11:37):
你好
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:11:43):
你好
filip_winiewicz(2011-06-08 13:11:52):
我想买鑫源越野摩托车 [长征] XY200GY-7
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:12:54):
恩好的 有货
filip_winiewicz(2011-06-08 13:14:19):
我住在北京。我听说它是不可能在中国注册这个摩托车现在由于对污染的新规定
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:14:55):
有国3的
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:15:11):
可以的国3 是可以上牌的
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:15:18):
国2上不了牌
filip_winiewicz(2011-06-08 13:17:51):
对不起。我听不懂。在北京登记可以吗?
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:18:09):
可以的
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:18:49):
国家现在新规定的。所有摩托车必须的上国3的标准。不让上不了牌照
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:19:24):
你刚说的是国2的标准。国2标准是上不了牌
filip_winiewicz(2011-06-08 13:20:04):
哦,XY200GY-7有国3吗?很好
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:21:03):
有的
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:21:07):
国3出来了
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10000922089&
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:26:13):
朋友还在不
yonglin800:凯琳2(2011-06-08 13:27:08):
恩好的
of course he might just want to sell the bikes you cannot register, so i think i will ask someone to call the factory, but maybe you can say something. thanks
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The seller is claiming that the Shineray now is China3 compliant, and can be registered anywhere in China, including Beijing. Needless to say, if that's true, the bike will come with proper documentation attesting to the fact. Even if it's true that the current XY200GY-7 is China3-compliant, you want to be sure he's not flogging you last year's model, which is only China2-compliant. You should indeed check with the good folks at Shineray.
Where is the seller, and can you do your due diligence in person? Looks like he's in Chongqing, near the factory.
good luck!
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Sounds great! I would buy it anyway from the factory. I'm not going to Chongqing, someone wrote you can have it home delivered. BTW price on taobao 8800RMB
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I bought my Jialing directly from the factory in Chongqing, which is the only place you can buy the JH600. They shipped it here, and all was fine. If a taobao seller offers a better price than the factory, something is fishy.
good luck!
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8800 is what I paid the Shineray dealer for my Long March. That was the asking price, and Bů piányi .. not 1 quai less.. and no gadgets or dongshi's ... well, i did get a cheapo helmet. My bike is the 2010 model ..
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The factory says you cannot register the bike in BJ. Slabo, don't you wan't to sell your Long March by any chance?
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filipu
The factory says you cannot register the bike in BJ. Slabo, don't you wan't to sell your Long March by any chance?
Really, sometimes I think of ditching China altogether... but then again ..
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slabo
Really, sometimes I think of ditching China altogether... but then again ..
...ditto to that thought and comment... to quote a forgotten source "the difficult things are easy, and the easy things, difficult"
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Hi there!
I am about to do my drivers licence and was planning to buy a Shineray Long March as well. What a bummer that this bike can no longer be registered! How about any other 200 or 250cc DS/Enduros? Are there any China Builds that are already C3 compliant? Any QingQis or Galaxys? If anybody has more information on this, please post! Thanks,
Fahni
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fahni
Hi there!
I am about to do my drivers licence and was planning to buy a Shineray Long March as well. What a bummer that this bike can no longer be registered! How about any other 200 or 250cc DS/Enduros? Are there any China Builds that are already C3 compliant? Any QingQis or Galaxys? If anybody has more information on this, please post! Thanks,
Fahni
Last month I gave a call to Galaxy in Jiangsu, they told me the bike "would" be ready middle of June... I am checking this on internet now with trough google translate, not too sure about exact date, maybe next month
Looks like some people abroad already got some XTR with EFI overseas (one guy had trouble with the injection issue), so it seems like they can already produce this type but are may on process to make it legal with governmental registration
Not too sure about what I say (and maybe not clear neither because of my poor english, sorry I'm french :lol8:)
If somebody is fluent Chinese and has a bit of spare time to confirm, that would be really great