Sinnis Apache 250: FI dash light flashing red

Hi guys,

One week into owning my new 2016 Apache 250 a badged QingQi QM250GY-B(A).
With just 100 miles on the clock from new, I parked up after work today and all was OK. An hour later I thought about a ride to the shop but when I started the bike the FI light on the digital dash starting flashing red.

The standard manual doesn't even list the FI light on the dash.

Can anyone tell me if its safe to use the bike like this?

No replies so far = no riding this evening. I'll call my dealer tomorrow morning & report back.

Thanks

Mark

Suzuki scan tool - is this the EFI version QM250GY-F? Thought that's the only efi version and older are carbs


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Don't know what solution in ur bike :eek2: Qingqi use Mikuni, Synerject, Visteon solutions!!!http://www.qingqi.com.cn/tech/sub1.htm
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According to http://www.docin.org/p-1386942338.html
Domestic K172FMM-G use ECU: LMC-111 (From a jv 长安-Visteon) | O2 sensor: NTK OZA661

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Suzuki scan tool - is this the EFI version QM250GY-F? Thought that's the only efi version and older are carbs


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Yes, I made a mistake with the model number - it is EFI.

Update: Tried it this morning and can only see a faint red light whilst bike is parked in the garage. This is normal as the led isn't illuminated, just reflecting.
Called dealer: (1) yes, its the new late 2016 EFI fuel injection model, and (2) seeing the dim red reflection is normal. (3) It is the fuel injection system fault light and will light up to and incredible bright red if a fault is found, so it would be noticeable even when riding in the brightest sun.

I'll post a photo of the dash on here as it may help others in the future. EFI dash photos seem rare on the Internet!

Huge thanks for both replies and the link. I can see this is a great site.

They're a bit of a crappy basic or possibly just scooter efi - if bike runs fine then no major as the system is rather primitive


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The big block thing you see where the carb would be is the all in one ecu map sensor and I don't think there's an engine temp to that ecu, did clean n do some service on one of these bikes and yeah pretty simple. Just carb the thing if worst comes to worst


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Thanks again - as I thought then.

Is there an interface for mapping/decoding software, or is it just not worth looking at?

Not clearly worked that out, I bought n tried Chinese shit but obd 2 k line thing didn't work and I've not tried my Delphi k line adaptor to that bike yet yet I could do if I had the bike and ran the Suzuki or scooter software blah blah
Runs ? Ride! It's cheap Chinese and stop looking at the minor details cause that's headaches


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If you really want just carb it or ride it if it runs ok


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Pics from my bike, just for future reference, should anyone search this post:

Sinnis Apache 250 (EFI model, 2016) - QingQi QM250GY-F

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The dash has analogue rev counter on the left and a digital panel on the right.
The middle panel has lights to show current gear selected (top - showing green, N neutral in my pic) ,turn signals and a high beam light at the bottom
The digital panel has a speedometer, trip meter and milage reading, as well as a clock and petrol gauge. The odometer can be reset by the button on the far right that also switches modes between trip/total miles and clock/clock setup.

The offending FI red light is in the bottom left - its not on, just reflecting. It comes on at full intensity for a few seconds during the EFI start up check when the ignition key is first turned on then dims to that shown in the pic. My dealer confirmed its the Fuel Injection warning light that goes off after initial auto checking.

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Above, the EFI fuel injection system box, in the right hand side, as mentioned in the above posts.

Below pic can be ignored - can't seem to delete it after mistakenly uploading it, lol - my Pirelli Angel CTR

I've ordered parts from the factory and I live in China - 2 months and still waiting in chain guard and sump plug washers - I ordered most plastic panels


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Originally Posted by mark.evans101

Pics from my bike, just for future reference, should anyone search this post:

Sinnis Apache 250 (EFI model, 2016) - QingQi QM250GY-F

Attachment 19277

The dash has analogue rev counter on the left and a digital panel on the right.
The middle panel has lights to show current gear selected (top - showing green, N neutral in my pic) ,turn signals and a high beam light at the bottom
The digital panel has a speedometer, trip meter and milage reading, as well as a clock and petrol gauge. The odometer can be reset by the button on the far right that also switches modes between trip/total miles and clock/clock setup.

The offending FI red light is in the bottom left - its not on, just reflecting. It comes on at full intensity for a few seconds during the EFI start up check when the ignition key is first turned on then dims to that shown in the pic. My dealer confirmed its the Fuel Injection warning light that goes off after initial auto checking.

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Above, the EFI fuel injection system box, in the right hand side, as mentioned in the above posts.

Below pic can be ignored - can't seem to delete it after mistakenly uploading it, lol - my Pirelli Angel CTR

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Ride it like you stole it - till it doesn't run well leave good enough Chinese crap alone - Vroom Vroom has the same bike and his light comes on at times too I think he said
Take the bulb out, easy test is test O2 sensor if bike feels a bit weak or surges
For the rest its wires a fuel pump with relay that ecu box all in 1 and just an O2 sensor
Of course an injector too


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I think it might be a Seimens injection set up - not confirmed
It's 100% not Delphi or Bosch like other Chinese bikes


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The dealer should have the tool, if the light becomes bright and stays on, it means an error or fault was detected.
It is not worth your trouble to try to find a tool, The EFI light is like the CEL on an auto if it comes on you connect the diagnostic tool and it lists the error code.

It would not hurt to have the dealer check it, they likely would do it for free.

Thanks MJH,

Just done 70 miles run on it with a few stops - no issues today.

To be honest the UK dealers get all their imports and just re-sell through the single UK importer in Brighton. So, they can do basic mechanical checks but any other work is referred to Brighton dealer. I know the guys in my bike shop quite well so when I stop by next weekend I'll call in for a chat and ask about the diagnostic tool.