AGB31 Apollo Vehicle

check this out , do you think guys I should buy this . Is this a good 250cc bike ? for any road ...
Specifications :
<LI class=a1>Engine: <LI class=a0>Engine type: 250cc 4 stroke Water cooled CB<LI class=a1>Transmission: Manual (1 down, 4 up)<LI class=a0>Starter mode: Kick start and Electric Start<LI class=a1>Max Power: 13KW (17.5HP)- Overhead Cam CB<LI class=a0>CHASSIS/ SUSPENSION/BRAKES: <LI class=a1>Front Suspension: Adjustable Inverted front forks<LI class=a0>Rear Suspension: Adjustable shock with reservoir<LI class=a1>Braking system: Front and Rear Hydraulic disc twin piston brake<LI class=a0>Frame: Twin spar heavy duty steel frame<LI class=a1>Dimensions:<LI class=a0>Seat Height: 940mm<LI class=a1>Wheel Base: 1540mm<LI class=a0>Front and Rear Wheel: 70/100-21" and 90/100-18"<LI class=a1>Tank Capacity: 6L<LI class=a0>GW/NW: 134/128Kghttp://www.apollovehicle.com/Motorcycle_AGB_3_308.htmlhttp://www.apollovehicle.com/Motorcy...RX250_306.html

GUYS YOUR SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED ... AS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS BIKE MANUFACTURER AND WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE QUALITY BEFORE BUYING A SAMPLE . I LIKE RIDING ROUGH , BUT IS THS WHT I SHOULD BE RIDIN ?

DP,

We'll need a little more info than that. If you have "links" to a website... it would be helpful. There are more than a couple bikes in China worth considering but we'd need to know what your needs are and what kind of target market you're talking about.

Also, even though a manufacturer may make a good bike does not mean they will be easy to work with. It takes a lot of time to develop a good relationship and you'll want to select a few models and bid/price them against each other!

CC

On this page? The AGB 31 specs on this page are not the same listed in the above post.

http://apollo.hisupplier.com/product...Dirt-Bike.html

Dear CrazyCarl & dAVID,
Kindly check this web for more info on the AGB31, AGB36 Models specifications : www.apollovehicle.com
My target market is Nepal , The kingdom of Himalayas . I want a bike that is durable , that can run in the offroad mountain terrians + the jam packed city roads .
Thank You so much guys for putting your valuable time in here . I am looking ahead to more valuable suggestions from you all . \
Regards,
Deepak Gupta

Deepak,

What research have you done already?

CC

Carl ,
I have been trying to know more and more about the apollo bikes through net talks with the apollo ppl .
from what I know , they use Zhongshen or Lifan Engine , as per client wish . I donot have that Positiove vibe about their engine , so I have told them that i like their design but I will try finding a Proof Engine . They have told me that if I find a engine assembly 200-250cc , they will make modifications in their existing frame and try to fit that engine in their Motorcycles design .
Basically I only like their Designing , and I still have to test their plastic quality and the uv proof stuffs ....
I am here , and I am having a hard time to fugure out whom to get started with for my Engine Assembly . As you said , QIngqi is on my list now , I will mail these ppl and visit them . Can you please specify which Engine Models of which make is the best ... Man u being there with all the experience is a huge benefit and I look forward to hearing from you ... Ur advice is somethin I ll always value .
TKS .
TKS EVRYONE .

@David -- yes the specifications are different , I ll recheck them with the Apollo guys ... TKS

Please let us know if they are the same!

Tks,
CC

the agb 36 specifications :
http://apollovehicle.com/Motorcycle_A36BW250T_328.html
agb 31 specifications :
http://apollovehicle.com/Motorcycle_A31AW250T_324.html

DO THEY LOOK GOOD ENUF GUYS ??

The specs on the bikes look to be good enough... and they seem to have some good looking equipment! I like the digital speedometer with engine temperature!

Is that a Loncin engine?

Very important...have you asked them about their spare parts availability? A bike is no good without parts to fix it! :deal:

CC

The AGB31 is one good looking bike. These new 250cc bikes were introduced a year or so ago, but the company seemed to hit the proverbial "bumps in the road" financially, at least as far as the US market was concerned, and we never saw them, and still don't! :eek2:

dp-ktm, if the company is willing to sell you the chassis, and will engineer the bike for another engine (as they don't seem to manufacture their own engines, anyway), then the Qingqi 200 or 250 would be the perfect match, provided the chassis is stout enough. Carl should be able to put you in contact with people he knows at Qingqi :mwink: as far as engines are concerned. If you read through Carl's long threads about his visits to Qingqi, and his product evaluations from his time in China, you could probably pick out names of people just from those!!

Have fun while you are there even if it is for work, and ride as many bikes as you can--and don't be afraid of pictures!!!!! We love photos, especially those at the factory....:clap::clap:

Carl they told me they do have the Loncin 250 cc engine , i am waiting for them to send me the design and all specification , so that I can cross check the details with you guys .

AGB 31 or 36 .. I like the 36 more .. haha ... Nice designs

Culcune , you think I should still go for Qingqi ? Carl ??
I dont know which ones better , so please ....

Yes Carl I ll make sure , theres plenty of parts avaialble with them at reasonable price before puttin down to anythin ... :)

Guys i ll be goin to the factory visits after the canton , so when I go there , i know I am supposed to take as many pictures I can .. coz I have responsibilities at home :) I will display as many as possible ..

Carl , the Qingqi 200 .. 250 ... info ? price ... views :)

TKS :thumbsup:

DP,

There's a ton of information on MCM about the QingQi line. They are good solid bikes with good parts supply but maybe not as "exciting" as some of the newer 250 models.

Use the "Search" button and type in "QingQi" and you'll see a lot of different results for both 200, 250, ride reports and also a fully photographed factory visit and tour.

We are all eager to see your pictures and hear your thoughts.

CC

CC Qingqi's after sales parts service, quaility, popularity is unbeatable , but their design is a major draw back for me ... I dont want to be involved in a design that I personally am not fond of .

I am in GZ now and the Canton fair is looking great in terms of Motocycle Mnaufacturers Participation . I met the PPL at Shineray and their 250 cc version have a very strong impression on my mind. Their design is great , their finishing is awesome and thier price is something around 2900$ :(((ahaha good things are hardly affordable .. hmm
Can you tell me about the Shinerays Engine and quaity ... I totally love their design ...

I also met guys from Apollo , they said they use Zongshen 250 and Loncin 250 CC engines .. According to them , Zongshen has the winning edge over loncin ????(KINDLY ELABORATE)

Now I am planning to meet Qingqi , Loncin , Zongshen , and others at the fair tomorrow ...

After the fair , I have to goto meet the APollo Guys at their factory , will update with pictures here at CnMoto..a lot of other factry visits lined up after that , first Zhejiang and then Chongqing ...
Hopefully I will be able to load pictures on time ...

Looking ahead to hear more from you ..

Based on this post; http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242
the Loncin bikes look very interesting to me. They are making engines for BMW so it would seem that they have the edge over Zongshen. It looks like Qingqi is kind of at a standstill, though. All I could see that was "new" is the QM200-2D with the larger 250cc motor (QM250-2D?). Maybe there were other bikes there from them but weren't shown. The Zongshen Cyclone looks nice also with it's Yamaha MT-03 styling.

tks david for sharing ur views...
i met the Loncin guys at Canton and they told me they are havin problem with thier 250cc engine .. theres some voice problem with it ... and when i asked them about it , they said , i'd better buy 2500 cc from zongshen ... hmmmmm ???? carl , culcune ?david?
hmm that says it all ... and the apollo guys too told me , that the price for zongshen or loncin 250 is same but they prefer zongshen as its much more reliable ... hm now loncin 250 or zongshen ... confused:eek2::taz:
HELPPPP MEEEEEEEEE:taz:

dp, is this the liquid-cooled engine that they said had problems? I guess the Zongshen 250 would be okay, and is already engineered for the bike you want :thumbsup::thumbsup: I do think that you should long-term test the bike, in Nepal :scooter:, or you can fly Carl in to do this for you, as I am quite sure he would be up for such an endeavor...:naughty:

It's a shame that all the bikes that seem to be a little bit above others for your consideration are not quite streetable in China :confused1:. I know that China is quite large, and am not sure how far are you are from him, but if ChinaV is up for it, you could at least see or try his Galaxy 250 :riding: as this bike has the air-cooled Loncin 230cc (perhaps what the Loncin guys were speaking of?).

I would think that if you are looking for a reliable 250cc air cooled motor that Qingqi would be a safe bet. Check out ChinaV's post on the Qingqi motard for more information. I think Qingqi makes good soild bikes with the Suzuki connection but, like Carl said, they are a bit dated and not too exciting.

yea the Loncin guys told me they have problem with the 250cc engine ... hmmm i didnt ask the exact engine model no though ... yea thats DUMB :rolleyes1:
hmm David , I dont like Qingqis design , but I am not looking for a complete bike , I am in search of the best 200-2500 cc engine for a Motard bike .. Culcune , I dont think I can ride anything I like here in China(they dont have a domestic licence ) ,hmm and I have a tourist visa.. hmm
Now I will be going to APollo on 23-24 . Hope I like the ride inside their factory ... Will definetely keep update u guys with the production details (with pics) ...
:riding::thumbsup:

DP,

Sounds like you have a very specific engine in mind and I'm sure we all hope you find what you are looking for!

Looking forward to seeing the pictures and any insight you have learned from your trip! :thumbsup:

CC

loncin sounded gud until the company pppl told me they have a prob wth their 250cc engine ....
yes very specific , the BEST :)
yea i will update with insights and captures :)

It's easy to get overwhelmed with choices in China. Many things look good at first but then turn ugly when you look deeper. Ultimately you have to decide what will work...it is still a business decision.

Starting the company, you are not stuck with only one manufacturer for the rest of your life. As your business grows, so can your products and you will have more leverage against other manufacturers and know what to look for. In the future you may have more money to spend on a better engine, bigger engine, better frames.

Chinese bikes are still developing and may take some time before they have "exactly" what you want. We can't always get what we want, but at least should be able to get a good start!

Let's see some pics! :thumbsup:

CC

dpktm, I had completely forgotten about this company

www.skyteam.cn and this new bike from them

http://skyteam.en.alibaba.com/produc...al_17_17_.html

Skyteam dirt bikes are sold in the US exclusively through United /motors and are rebranded to the UM brand name.

When their motard/enduro were introduced a few years ago here, they didn't sell well due to their high (for Chinese bikes) prices, and UM are still selling '07 models due to them probably not selling well.

Sales in the US being slow should not discourage you from at least meeting with them as they were/are regarded highly for Chinese bikes, in the same league as Qingqi.

Well, seems that I’m not only one which it interested in this Aprilia RXV wannabe - Apollo AGB-31. Few weeks back, after the search for the method of transport one motorcycle into Serbia, I asked one of managers from Apollo factory about AGB-31. Here is his answer:

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Dear Dragan,
Glad to receive your email and thanks for interested in our products.
But sorry for I have to say A31AW250T we stop selling now because some problem.Now only A36B250M is available.
If you still intersted in our products,please inform us and send your complete contact information,such as company name,tel number, fax number ,website (if any)....
We will send offer sheets to you after receive your complete information.
May you have any future questions to contact with us freely.
Warmest Regards

Angel

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"Some problems"? His answer, I must admit, disappointed me.

OK, supermotard A-36 is available, I know that (here it cost ~1500 euros: http://www.sprintscooters.com/Apollo.html ), but I need enduro. Not to mention that (besides 12 cm longer wheelbase), IMHO, A31 it is more beautiful than A36.

http://www.sprintscooters.com/images...%20x%20600.JPG
Apollo A36B250M (photo "borrowed" from "Sprint"’s Web-page)

2 dp-ktm
Take on account that all Apollo motorcycles are very high even for the Europeans.

CC , you are right , still need time to reach that point of perfection , but I think the price would not be so impressive then ... So for the bizz in my mind , i think this is the time .
Culcune , tks for the info man .Always appreciate it . The designs r a total disaster ... How about the Engine ? :naughty:
Zorge , we both trippin on some same lane .... Gr8 .
Even I admired the agb31 more , but was turned down by the apollo ppl . NOw they have a new design , with dual frame , 2 stroke engine for the 31 .
Yea I rode a agb 36 recently with offroad tyres and the height did seem a problem .. But then for that we can switch to motard tyres design and the problem will be solved ... I think almost all these design bikes are a lil high for average height guys ... So I still prefer the offroad tyres , atleast they look perfect on the machine ....

:goodtime: CHeers guys ... I am going to visit Apollo after a few days and this time I will take a proper note of everything and I will update you guys ... :) No more delays

dp-ktm, not sure who the engine is made by, if not by Skyteam themselves, but when they were available here in the US through United Motors, they had a decent warranty on the bikes and the engines. However, their sales were slow due to the $3,000 US retail price, and people were hesitant to buy a Chinese-made bike for that price. You are also not impressed with the design, and that seems to weigh heavily with you, and your leaning to the Apollo. Their air-cooled engines are probably not any better or worse than the Zongshen that Apollo uses in their bike, but that is just gut feelings vs. any statistical findings, so if someone who is familiar with Skyteam wants to elaborate for dp-ktm...

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Originally Posted by dp-ktm

:goodtime: CHeers guys ... I am going to visit Apollo after a few days and this time I will take a proper note of everything and I will update you guys ... :) No more delays

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Please, do so.

Ask them... everything.

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Originally Posted by culcune

dp-ktm, not sure who the engine is made by

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It is about Apollo's 250cc Engine? Isn't that Loncin's 177 type engine?

Several fellows from the serbian BJBikers forum who have A -36, write that they had no problems so far with the engine (after one season).

Yes statistics data are highly appreciated ... Skyteam hmmmm ..
ZOrge , i know they use Zhongshen or a Loncin Engine , but I aint much sure about the exact Engine Model No .
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