MiniMotard in Queensland Australia These are our bikes Firstly my bike is based on a Chinese BBR style frame that was given to me by friend, I have built the bike up over the last little while. The motor is a yx140 with a 160 bore kit, the kit uses a 60mm Scut piston (leaves 1mm wall thickness) it is a nickasill bore, it has a 7.2mm lift cam (stock was 5.9) it runs 12.8/1 compression. The head on this motor has been extensively flowed and runs polished stainless valves with heavy duty valve springs that allow the increased lift from the cam. The carburettor is a 26mm Taiwanese OKO semi flat slide (copy of a kehin PWK). Many home made parts have gone into the development of this bike and I haven’t finished yet. http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a.../th_Panda1.jpg http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a.../th_Panda2.jpg http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...e31stjan10.jpg
His bike is better at the short tracks due to a shorted wheel base, it gets better turn in for corners but my bike is better at the fast flowing tracks where my extra wheel base aids in high speed stability for fast sweeping corners. Both bikes use Dunlop TT92 tyres Here is a youtube videos of the local mini motard scene (some play racing with friends on a practice day). Archerfeild track
05-01-2010, 04:59 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
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Here is a few more youtube links to the local minimotard scene Scooters and MiniMotards at Lakeside in Brisbane
A friend of mine runs his new Chinese motor on a dyno, these HP figures are real using a Z155 motor that has been massaged
I think he was happy LOL
Tina
05-01-2010, 05:34 AM
euphonius
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
Great work, Tina. Wonderful seeing your passion for this project. If you don't mind I'll likely be sharing this link with a bunch of friends in California.
I'm feeling frustrated that youtube is so hard to watch here in China, but will fire up the VPN and see if I can reel them in.
05-01-2010, 05:39 AM
TexasAggie
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
Did you do the port work on the head yourself? I am impressed with your dedication.
Keeping the rubber side down
DT
05-01-2010, 06:47 AM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Oh this was a great way to start the day! Loved your excellent report and it brought so many good memories in my mind. It doesn't matter with what you race if you have fuel in your blood! Hell, I have had tons of fun racing with friends with underpowered go karts! Those are not even bikes! I haven't tried mini motard racing yet but I am absolutely sure 100% I would love it.
Race on!
And expect to get reports of my most belowed variety of racing, the Finnish Enduro Racing :naughty: No hijacking, just a little teaser what it is :naughty:
05-01-2010, 10:00 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
That’s fine euphonius share with anyone hope they like what we are doing here. Is there a better host service that is easier to view in china than youtube?
Yes TexasAggie I do all my own work on our motors, I have been building race vehicles for almost 30 years. Many little tricks gained in that time. Some would say dedication but as a training psychologist I’m sure it would be called obsessive compulsive disorder lol.
Your absolutely correct moilami any sort of racing that involves motors is a hoot. In the past I have raced some very expensive forms of motor sport including top fuel drag’s, I think the mini motard is the most enjoyable motorsport I have ever been involved with. On the track we race hard and sometimes just millimetres between bikes but in the pits we are all friends helping each other out and sharing development ideas and suggestions (no secrets).
Mini Motard is much bigger in the united states and in europe but it is just fairly new here so we are all learning. The positive of this is that we don’t know the limitations so some great new wild ideas are being trialled, I love the building and the development side of it. I have been in the sport for 4 years now.
Tina
05-01-2010, 10:32 AM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Ok some questions if you don't mind.
I noticed you (?) used road racing boots and in the tracks there were no dirt sections. So is that Mini Super Motard like road roacing without dirt sections or is it supposed to be like Super Moto with dirt sections? Do you know MX boots or do you just prefer road racing boots? I am just curious. Super Moto drivers prefer to use MX boots I have seen. And how about hmm, you call Enduro Dirt Racing there? How about dirt racing or enduro, is it popular in Australia and have you tried it?
Those bikes you have, variants of Honda Monkey or Gorilla, I had plans to buy that kind of bike, it would had been very cheap and tons of very cheap parts available to use in modding. Would had been fun but chose to buy a more diverse bike good for any kind of terrain :deal: But now that I saw how much fun those tiny bikes can be, I think I need to still get that kind of toy too at some point :naughty:
05-01-2010, 11:07 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Hi moilami I prefer road boots as they are a little more flexible and allow my ankles to be less stressed. Most of the local riders here have found that riding the bikes in a semi big bike style works best, as in not putting a foot out and getting a knee down. I however have to sit fairly static as my knees are fairly damaged from riding motox and enduro when I was young. The tracks we ride are all tarmac, some of the riders prefer it that way but some of us (me included) would like to have some dirt sections with some jumps. We don’t have much choice for tracks so we settle for what we can get. Off road riding is very popular here, in the area I live in there are many areas of bush to ride in. On the weekends there are many riders out riding the trails. Our bikes are based on Chinese pit bikes, the motors are Honda crf/xr50 clones or the newer Kawasaki klx110 clones like yx160/150 and the z155 motors. The newer style motors (klx clones) are the best at the moment with the z155 and it’s soon to be released z175 variant being the most competitive. When I built my bike 2 years ago the 140cc motors (yx and lifan) were the biggest available, so I built mine to the limits to see what I could do with it against the newer motors, it is competitive but I expect that it may fail at some time due to the high compression. When that happens I will upgrade to a klx clone. The only regulations we have are that the motors must be horizontal, no more than 4 gears, and a maximum of 160cc, anything else on the bikes is free for development. I am happy to answer any questions you ask
Tina
05-01-2010, 02:39 PM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
I am sorry to hear about your knees, but I am glad to hear you still keep going strong :thumbsup: Anyway does your knees affect your choise to do Mini Motard instead of enduro? If not, then I really bet Mini Motord must be great fun :)
05-01-2010, 10:48 PM
CrazyCarl
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Top notch! 22hp is outstanding results from these engines and with the low weight of these bikes I'll be it's a real mini-missile!
Looks like you could teach the manufacturers some tricks. You guys ever tried for sponsorships?
CC
05-02-2010, 07:38 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Hi Moilami my knees are the result of 5 seasons of professional motox and several years of serious enduro racing as well as a few mishaps on the road, they don’t slow me down much I just have to ride the mini’s in a way that doesn’t stress them. I have no problems with them on my big bike. (gratuitous picture of my other toy) http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...thewayhome.jpg We started in mini motard because my son will be getting his licence for a bike soon and he wants to ride on the road so this is a good way for him to learn about riding on tarmac. He has raced on dirt bikes and go karts since he was 6. We are now considering getting a couple of enduro bikes. I am looking at how to import a couple of galaxy xtr’s, could be fun to develop them and see what we can do with them.
Yea CC 22hp is an awesome effort that’s why he was so happy when he saw it. I have had sponsorships when I was younger in motox, I don’t like it because it changes the atmosphere at the track, suddenly everything gets serious and you lose full control on where and how you race. Here is a better picture of the 22hp bike http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/th_Petes.jpg And a picture of another friends bike I love both these bikes http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...th_Londin2.jpg
05-02-2010, 11:16 AM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabertooth_buterfly
Hi Moilami my knees are the result of 5 seasons of professional motox and several years of serious enduro racing as well as a few mishaps on the road, they don’t slow me down much I just have to ride the mini’s in a way that doesn’t stress them. I have no problems with them on my big bike. (gratuitous picture of my other toy) http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...thewayhome.jpg We started in mini motard because my son will be getting his licence for a bike soon and he wants to ride on the road so this is a good way for him to learn about riding on tarmac. He has raced on dirt bikes and go karts since he was 6. We are now considering getting a couple of enduro bikes. I am looking at how to import a couple of galaxy xtr’s, could be fun to develop them and see what we can do with them.
Yea CC 22hp is an awesome effort that’s why he was so happy when he saw it. I have had sponsorships when I was younger in motox, I don’t like it because it changes the atmosphere at the track, suddenly everything gets serious and you lose full control on where and how you race. Here is a better picture of the 22hp bike http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/th_Petes.jpg And a picture of another friends bike I love both these bikes http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...th_Londin2.jpg
Alright, good stuff :) And good luck in trying to get the XTRs, we have soon so many Galaxy owners around the world we could arrange the 1st annual world wide Galaxies meeting* xD
EDIT:* 1st annual spacewide Galaxies meeting.
05-02-2010, 09:43 PM
culcune
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I think the Galaxy meeting should be in China, provided those of you with fuel injection can get them running correctly! ChinaV seems to be the guru of Galaxy right now.
sabertooth_buterfly, are Puzey's still available in Australia? The Puzey bike lineup of S. Africa does include Galaxy-manufactured XTR 250 bikes, as well as the higher specification XTR 250 manufactured by Shuopu Science (SPX)but from what I remember reading, Puzey of Australia is no longer in business?
05-03-2010, 01:05 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Hi culcune yea the puzey bikes are still being sold here but they only had the motox version not the enduro one with lights. They are being sold on ebay by another company so I’m guessing that they are just selling off the left over stock. I want a registered 250 so that I can ride my local trails and find out how far I can develop one of these bikes. I think the bikes have a lot of room for development. I would want a carb bike not EFI, EFI is only an advantage when it is really well developed and you can adjust the maping like the setup on triumph.
05-03-2010, 10:33 AM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
I have understood Puzey XTR != Galaxy XTR. That they are not the same bike.
Moilani, that is one of the Pitster Pro bikes--it does prove that Chinese manufactured bikes can do things!! But for Chinese bikes, they cost a little more.
What would you say is the greatest difficulty in teaching junior riders?
CC
05-12-2010, 08:20 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia and STUFF
Hi Carl The main aspect that I have difficulty with in coaching juniors is not the juniors at all its the parents, some parents are either to result driven and put to much pressure on the junior rider to succeed or pass other riders. The result of this is that the junior tends to loose the fun factor. Sometimes they also have an opinion that their child requires more expressive parts to compete (the latest and greatest), whilst in the beginning it is true that juniors require adequate equipment to be both safe and to be able to develop their skills ( good tyres are a must for tarmac) often giving them the biggest flashest motor or parts can actually be detrimental to the advancement of skills. It’s the have to learn to walk before you can run theory. I believe that a slightly under powered bike will hone skills the best because you learn that to be at all competitive it is critical to maintain corner speed rather than be a “point and shoot rider” then as power levels are increased (in increments) the rider develops the whole package, how to maintain corner speed and how to manage the many instant psychological processes that have to happen either instantly or faster. Because I am selective in the juniors that I take under my wing I usually don’t have any problems with the riders themselves. In the 11ish to 14ish age bracket they are so keen to learn and are happy to work at their own level. By the time they get to 15-16 and are becoming fast in junior class they develop an attitude that they know it all and can out ride anyone, that’s ok because at 16 they become senior riders and very quickly realise that seniors is a whole different story again. They often start in seniors knowing they are going to show all us old farts how it’s done Ever since my own son was 6 years old and started competing in Kart racing I always say the same thing to him just before he goes out on the track “stay safe” “have fun”, after all that’s why anyone does it. I will freely admit that now and at 18 years old after 4 years of coaching my son on tarmac he is now faster than me, I’m comfortable with that as I am proud of the way he has progressed. (but I can still keep him honest on the track lol)
Tina
This is a young guy named Doug, he showed so much promise on his first track day that I took him under my wing and am now coaching him in riding and building his own bike, this young guy has the right attitude to go far in motor sport should he chose it. This was his third track day here is a picture of him having a run on my bike http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/IMG_2769.jpg
I am coming to the party a little late, but great photos! We had a new entertainment place open up last spring with a go-kart track, bumper boats and miniature golf, and it just closed down before being open a year!! :sad: I wonder if someone could open the track part-time for something like this? :confused1:
05-23-2010, 06:26 AM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
Hi culcune
If your interested in geting involved with mini motard in your local area check out http://planetminis.com they have a section on mini motard in the USA.
Maybe some locals would be interested in trying to get something going there.
But a warning it is very addictive lol.
Tina
05-23-2010, 06:51 PM
culcune
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
There is a dealer/race promoter about 3 hours north of me who promotes mini dirt bike races. I am sure his company would get into motard racing, too, as he is now an authorized Pitster Pro dealer. It looks very addicting...
07-22-2010, 02:08 PM
sabertooth_buterfly
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
I have been very quiet of late, not just on this forum but on others that I frequent. However there has been some action going on, I have officially retired from active mini motard racing, I will still be attending the track days to help out/socialize and take some photos. I have just come to a point where the body is not as capable as the mind would like it to be therefore I have chosen to retire whist I am still at the pointy end of the field (don’t want to become a mobile chicane). I’d like the younger ones to remember me as that crazy old bird that they just couldn’t get past. However this change as is usual in life has opened up other opportunities, one of which is to see just how much punishment an ex minitard bike can take once converted back to dirt. I am looking forward to seeing just how far I can push the home build grenade at a motox track, there should be some photos to come of our next adventures with the minis. But the big news is…….. I have also been very busy organizing a long distance ride that I am planning for later in the year that involves me getting a new Chinese bike, the logistics for this ride are huge. I will release more details here when I can, including what brand/model the bike is (not currently available here yet). This ride is going to be epic something like approximately 3000klms solo covering 4 states unsupported. It might be a few months before to much seems to happen but I will be lurking around and working furiously behind the scenes to put all this together (as well as attending uni for another semester). Tina
07-22-2010, 02:39 PM
moilami
Re: Mini Motard In Australia
Woohoo congrats!! Solo travelling rules, you have time for your own thoughts and you can go all ME ME ME ME ME, that is stop when you want, eat when you want, and sleep when you want. I hope to see some camping pictures by the way :naughty: You are brave to do it with a china bike, respects because of that. To the unknown with an unknown bike is 200% more adventurous than to the unknown with known bike, to say the least.
