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OK, this has little or nothing to do with China, but man is this Dutch diesel cool or what??? What a great bike that would be to have in China!!
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Track T-800CDI diesel writeup in BikeExif
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Love my JH600, but I want one of these too, despite the strange little exhaust pipe which looks like it came from the drain under my kitchen sink....
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interesting design, though J if you had one of these, you'd likely have to replace the exhaust with something more appropriate. The first time you try to do any water crossing with it as standard that pipe is just going to flood with water... the other thing is with the exhaust and muffler facing forward then it's prone to acting like a hook, that can snag on anything poking out of the ground. That's really useful for offroad, bush tracking... sooner or later it's going to snag on something... branches, tree roots, rocks and the like.
otherwise it is an interesting design...
Considering the quality of Chinese Diesel, it wouldn't be great to have it here :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
That exhaust configuration created a lively discussion between bikers over beer - yet nobody came up with any rational idea why it is designed that way. Is there something unique about diesel?
Someone elsewhere commented that the forward pointing exhaust is actually for the turbo - not the muffler. Here is the another photo of the bike which could serve to answer some questions (if not raise more).
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I have a V-Twin diesel in my shop, waiting for the time I can fit it into a CJ sidecar rig.
they had a TV special on new bikes and this was one of them !!! it was so cool also if you want to look at a cool bike !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRO5I...eature=related and this bike will run on any FUEL !!!
Recently 'Royal Enfield' 350cc and 500cc Motorcycles are now being sold in the Philippines.
Royal Enfields are still in production in India as 350cc and 50cc 4 Stroke Singles.
Whilst reading Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Enfield_(India) I learned that they had produced a version with a Diesel engine!
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Royal Enfield Super bike taures (Diesel)
Royal Enfield in India built a diesel motorcycle. A 6.5 hp (4.8 kW) industrial diesel was installed in the frame of the British-based Royal Enfield bullet 350cc. . Its fuel consumption was around 200 miles per imperial gallon (1.4 L/100 km; 170 mpg-US). Initially street mechanics were mounting this engine in used Bullets, like retro Royal Enfield Bikes, with the 350 cc retrofit engine developing 18 hp (13 kW). On seeing the success of these bikes; Royal Enfield started manufacturing Bullets with the diesel engine and named it the Taurus. The Taurus was available with an electric starter. It was characterised as very noisy, slow and with excessive vibrations. The company subsequently stopped its production.
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Diesel motorcycle
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A diesel motorcycle is a motorcycle with a diesel engine. With a traditionally poor power-to-weight ratio, most diesel engines are generally unsuited for use on motorcycles which normally require low weight, compact size, high RPMs and rapid acceleration. In the 1980s, NATO forces in Europe standardized all their vehicles to operate with diesel fuel. Some forces had fleets of motorcycles and trials were conducted with diesel engines on these. Air-cooled single-cylinder engines built by Lombardini of Italy were used and had some success; achieving similar performance to gas/petrol bikes and fuel economy up to 200 miles per gallon. This led to some countries re-fitting their bikes with diesel engines.
In 2005, the United States Marine Corps adopted the M1030M1, an off-road motorcycle based on the Kawasaki KLR650, and retrofitted it with an engine designed to run on diesel or JP8 jet fuel. Since other U.S. tactical vehicles like the HMMWV utility vehicle and M1 Abrams tank also use JP8, adopting a scout motorcycle which runs on the same fuel would ease logistics.
Further development by Cranfield University and California-based Hayes Diversified Technologies led to the production of the Kawasaki KLR650 based motorcycle for military use. The engine of this motorcycle is a liquid-cooled, single-cylinder four-stroke which displaces 584 cc and produces 21 kW (28 bhp) with a top speed of 85 mph (136 km/h). Hayes Diversified Technologies mooted, but has subsequently delayed the delivery of a civilian version for approximately US$19,000.
In India, motorcycles built by Royal Enfield could be bought with 325 cc single-cylinder diesel engines because diesel fuel was much cheaper than petrol (gasoline) at the time, and of more reliable quality. These engines were noisy and unrefined and not very popular because of lower performance and higher weight penalties. The engines were originally designed for use in commercial applications such as electric generators and water pumps.
As of December 2006, several companies produce diesel motorcycles.
Much of the logic and reasons for Royal Enfield producing a Diesel Engined Motorcycle, should be applicable to CHINA, I would have thought?
After a Quick Google Search, it seems China is producing a reasonable Diesel Motorcycle engine:-
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2011 NEW DIESEL MOTOR ENGINE SUPER BIG POWER(30HP)
Specifications
DOHC, 4 VALVE, WATER-COOLING ENGINE
30HP BIG POWER, HIGH TORQUE
BALANCE SHAFT
NGK PISTON, DID CHAIN, NSK BEARING, KOK OIL SEA
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But is this DONGBEN, a REAL Diesel engine?
Nah, as I found some SPECIFICATIONS for same engine image:-
Famous model new design 300cc 4VALVE super big power motor/ATV/Racing/go-kart/tricycle engine Famous model new design 300cc 4VALVE super big power motor/ATV/Racing/go-kart/tricycle engine
Product Details:
Stroke 4 Stroke
Cold Style Water-Cooled
Start Electric / Kick
Cylinder NO. 1 Cylinder
Ignition Method CDI
Displacement (ml) 300cc
Place of Origin China (Mainland)
Brand Name TZ 170MM(TZ170-1MM)
Model Number TZ 170MM(TZ170-1MM)
DOHC 4 VALVE
NO ROCKER ARM RACING POWER
All Provide BALANCE SHAFT
300cc 22KW 30 HP
COOLED SYSTEM WATER-COOLED
No Real Diesel Engine has CDI ignition!
Try again:-
This Company has produced a REAL Diesel Engine, specifically designed as twin Cylinder for use in a Motorcycle.
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The engine is of conventional mechanical design, optimized for this particular application. Lightweight reciprocating components give minimum vibration and reliability is assured by good design, high duty materials and advanced manufacturing techniques.
A deliberate decision was taken to use mechanically controlled fuel injection for the current engine, employing a purpose-designed injection pump. For the future, electronic control will allow further enhancements in performance. The engine is capable of operation on either diesel fuel (mineral and bio-diesel) or aviation kerosene.
The result is a simple, compact, lightweight power unit of more than twice the specific power output of conventional small diesel engines.
The usable engine speed range is also much greater than other diesel engines. Peak power of some 50 hp/litre is developed at around 5800 rev/min, with usable power available up to well over 6000 rev/min. This is combined with excellent low speed torque in a way which is unique for a diesel engine. The motorcycle thus has outstanding drivability with less need for gearchanging, which aids both on-road enjoyment and cross-country performance in the hands of expert and less experienced riders alike.
The technology is immediately transferable to other applications requiring small, lightweight, high speed diesel engines.
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Now if a China Manufacturer, could come up with something like that as a basis for further development such as Processor controlled CRDi, with VGT boosting for more power.
Holy sh*t, Britster, that was quite a post! Don't hold your breath on China coming up with anything innovative; there are no companies in China that compare to an innovative firm like Hayes. Maybe someday.
But about those 214 diesel bikes sold to the US Marines, they sure look like the repurposed Kawasaki KLR650s that we've been hearing about for years now. The diesel KLR650 uses a modified version of the Kawasaki engine, not a completely different engine like the one detailed in your post. I'm confused.
cheers
I quoted what was on the HAYES website.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
If you do a Google Search on 'MD670F Diesel fueled Motorcycle', you get more information.
DieselBike.net - Military Production Diesel Motorcycles
http://www.dieselbike.net/militarypr...production.htm
Diesel - Canadian Motorcycle Articles
http://www.canadianmotorcyclerider.c...57007096757144
Altius Scimistar 670CC Diesel Engine Motorcycle India Launch In 2012– Price, Specifications and Features
http://www.carblogindia.com/altius-s...ions-features/
http://guerrantwebworks.com/hdt/home_V3.swf
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I would like to have a diesel motorcycle because of torque and good mileage!!
i have had a little experience with Indian diesel Royal Enfield, it was over vibrating, lots of smoke from the engine as its nature of diesel engine to give smoke but of cause it was an old engine. Mileage..wow!! its had very good gas mileage and lots of torque.
With new technology i believe this is a an excellent bike to have not to mention it has Turbo!! I will love the turbo sound and pppsss!!!:clap: from a blow valve!!
I think this is the bike you remember? http://www.mbike.com/magazine/2010/0...types-of-fuel/Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Yeh,that's the modified Kawasaki KLR650 with the latest Hayes Diesel Technology (HDT) USA engine, that I posted about.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabo
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New military bike can run on seven different types of fuel
Posted by BushA on August 9, 2010
Category: Motorcycle,New bikes
Military vehicles usually have impressive technical specification, but the HDT M1030-M2 670cc JP8 is simply a hell of a machine. Don’t let the charming name deceive you, the military motorcycle is as tough as a two-wheeler can be. The M2 is based on the 2004 M1 which was developed and produced for the U. S. Marines. The engineers at HDT have refined the motorcycle, and the result is the new M2.
The mercenaries' new favourite
The military motorcycle features a 670cc single-cylinder engine which is a standing alone motor even in its category. The JP8 utilizes HDT’s fourth generation heavy fuel engine which is capable of operating on different types of petroleum (JP8, JP5, JP4), aviation fuel (AVTUR, JET-A1), Diesel and even Biodiesel. The engine has a peak power of 33hp and 53Nm of torque which enables a top speed of 95mph and a 9,7 second-acceleration from 0 to 60mph. The motorcycle can traverse water 2ft deep and has a range of over 300 miles. The engineers have refined the chassis and developed a whole new swingarm and a 5-speed transmission. Despite the military status, the bike has an exhaust system that meets the noise and emission regulations while still maintaining peak performance.
The M2 has a price tag of $18,500 but there’s already a significant waiting list of survivalists, mercenaries and prospectors.
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HDT M1030-M2 670cc JP8 2010
Oil/water cooled, 670cc, Single
Torque: 53 Nm (5.4 kg-m) @ 3300 rpm (cranksh)
Final drive: Chain
Top speed: 152 km/h
Dry weight: 176 kg
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The HDT M1030-M2 670cc JP8 2010
The HDT M1030-M2 670cc JP8 is the latest incarnation of the superlative military motorcycle standing alone as the only military motorcycle capable of operating on JP8, JP5, JP4, AVTUR, JET-A1, Diesel and even Biodiesel. Evolved from HDT’s M1030-M1 originally developed and produced for the U.S. Marines in 2004, the M1030-M2 670cc JP8 utilizes HDT’s fourth generation heavy fuel motorcycle engine with patent pending MAC-Ci Advanced Multifuel Technology producing 20% more power over previous generations. The M2’s refined chassis with newly engineered swingarm improves handling while its 5 speed transmission and updated suspension enhance ridability. All new high performance illumination including standard IR and blackout lighting improve tactical performance. An updated exhaust system meets more stringent noise and emission regulations while still maintaining peak performance.
Engine and transmission
Engine type: 1 cylinders, 4-stroke, Single
Displacement: 670 cc (40.94 cubic inches)
Cooling system: Oil/water cooled
Torque: 53 Nm (5.4 kg-m) @ 3300 rpm (cranksh)
Throttle: Cable operated
Valves
Valves per cylinder: 4
Fuel and ignition
Sparks per cylinder: 1
Fuel supply system: Fuel injection
Engine mounting: Transverse
Lubrication system: Wet sump
Gear box: Manual 5-speed
Clutch: Wet, cable operated
Final drive: Chain
Starter: Electric
Dimensions
Physical measures
Length: 2296 mm
Width: 960 mm
Height: 1219 mm
Wheel base: 1481 mm
Ground clearance: 211 mm
Weight
Dry weight: 176 kg
Chassis and suspension
Frame type: steel, Double cradle frame
Front
Suspension: Cartridge
Brake: Single Disk, Ø280 mm
Rear
Suspension: twin shock
Brake: Disk, Ø240 mm
Other
ABS available: No
Acceleration (0-100 km/h): 9.7 sec
Top speed: 152 km/h
Fuel capacity: 14 l
Number of riders: 2 persons
The M2 has a price tag of $18,500 but there’s already a significant waiting list of survivalists, mercenaries and prospectors.
Well there is obviously a Market for a rugged, tough Motorcycle with decent performance and fantastic torque, and incredible fuel consumption - that can be petroleum (JP8, JP5, JP4), aviation fuel (AVTUR, JET-A1), Diesel and even Biodiesel.
I am sure if the Chinese Motorcycle Manufacturers went after this Market, and geared up for it, they could produce something similar, for significantly less than $18,500?
The HDT MD670F Diesel Motorcycle
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The new civilian issue 670cc HDT multi fuel motorcycle, the MD670F. Adventure touring could change forever if these hit the road.
Based on a Kawasaki KLR650 the 584cc engine is designed to run on either diesel or aviation kerosene. Some parts from the original engine, such as the generator, have been used on the new machine in order to save money but essentially this motorcycles engine is completely new. This makes this machine completely unique, it being the first purpose built diesel motorcycle engine ever built.The new KLR Diesel eclipses the older style generator bikes.With a range of 120 miles per gallon the bike develops 33ftlb of torque and has a top speed of 80 MPH.A nice close-up of the engine.Yours truly gets to grips with a prototype Diesel KLR.As you can see from the above picture, those great guys at R.M.C.S. invited me along to see the new machine and even went so far as to let me loose on it. I completed a route of around 5 to 6 miles, in damp conditions, circling the nearby town before returning. I can report that the bike performed and handled well as I shifted up through the five gears and got it up to speeds in excess of 70 M.P.H. down the local bypass. The engine revved very freely up tp 5,500 R.P.M. and being water cooled was surprisingly quiet for a diesel. The harsh knock normally associated with such engines was absent to be replaced by a muffled thumping only marginally louder than a normal KLR. Indeed, I suspect this machine, whilst running, could easily pass unnoticed in amongst a group of similar petrol bikes.The only givaway may be the actual speed at which it ticks over. It is noticably slower.I did not get to take the bike off-road though but the 5 new gears seemed very well ratioed to cope with any eventuality. I think the 584cc Diesel engine's output can be compared to that of a smaller petrol machine with added low down grunt. I was told that some riders had felt excessive vibration but I experienced nothing until the engine reached its highest revs. Even then it did not seem unduly troublesome. Anyone expecting the engine to be heavy will be pleasantly surprised. Compared to others of a similar capacity it is compact and lightweight and perfect for a motorcycle. I'm told the many hours of testing have gone well and the future is looking exceedingly bright for this bike.I must say it's one thing to read that this machine has a totally new engine and quite another to actually get you hands on it. You begin to realise just what these guys have done in designing and building this engine from scratch. After almost ten years in the making it's great to see this project coming to fuition. This kind of venture is incredibly expensive and it has to be done right if it's to make a market for itself. I'm pleased to report that this rider gives it the thumbs up and looks forward to the day he can get one for keeps.Lastly a big thank you to the guys at R.M.C.S. (you know who you are) for giving the author of these humble pages a day out to remember.
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JKP,
http://www.americanrider.magnify.net...el-Motorcycles
Watch that Video from 2:30, where "Reg Kittrelle talks with Fred Hayes of HDT USA "
Initially HDT USA delivered over 500 x KLR650 'Gas' bikes to USA Marine Corp from 1999-2002.
The Marine Corp is now sending those bikes back to HDT USA, for re-manufacture, and retrofit using the NEW HDT Diesel engine.
http://www.dieselbike.net/militarypr...production.htm
Download the current PDF document for this bike:Previous PDF's for earlier versions of this motorcycle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/au...yt&oref=slogin
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Diesel-Sipping Motorcycle for the Marines
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Marine Kawasakis are converted to diesel power so they can burn the military's universal fuel.
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Published: February 24, 2008
THE United States Marine Corps, legendary for doing more with less, has used dual-purpose motorcycles for scouting, messenger service, convoy control and military police work.
But the motorcycles sold today for use on-road and off have a big drawback for military service: they use the wrong fuel.
Other American and NATO military machines, from diesel generators to stealth bombers, run on JP-8 to simplify fuel supply logistics. While JP-8, a formulation of jet fuel similar to kerosene and diesel fuel, works fine in those engines, commercially available motorcycles require gasoline.
That situation presented an opportunity for Fred Hayes, chief executive of Hayes Diversified Technologies, a military contractor in Hesperia, Calif., that has built specially adapted motorcycles for the Marines and the Army Special Forces for more than two decades. The bikes are modified to run in the harshest environments on earth with special lighting and more rugged suspensions and tires.
When the Marines requested a motorcycle that would run on JP-8, other military contractors proposed outlandish turbine-powered machines. But the Marines wanted a bike that would actually work, and soon, at a reasonable cost. Hayes won the contract.
The resulting HDT M103M1 uses the chassis, a few engine components and all the internal transmission parts of the Kawasaki KLR650, a workhorse capable of anything from daily commuting to Sahara exploring. But the Marine machine’s major engine components are all new, built for diesel service.
The difference was apparent the instant I thumbed the starter button. In place of the gasoline-powered KLR’s anxious idle, the Marine machine came to life with the low clatter of a London taxi.
In contrast to a gasoline engine, which responds instantly to the throttle, a blip of the twist grip resulted in — well, not much. It took a good three seconds for anything significant to happen.
On a half-hour test ride, the M103M1, though sluggish at first, gathered speed with dogged insistence. The footpegs and handlebars buzz as the engine revs — the counterbalancer that controls vibration in the stock KLR has been omitted to save weight and reduce complexity. Shifting through the five-speed gearbox gets the M103M1 past 90 miles an hour, a speed it will hold, apparently, until the end of time.
One of the great advantages of the M103M1’s diesel engine is its efficiency. At a steady 55 m.p.h. it gets 96 miles a gallon, according to Hayes, about twice the mileage of the gasoline engine.
This high-mileage machine is also coveted by civilians who crave the fuel economy of the world’s only production diesel motorcycle. But being a small, family-run company, Hayes is already working overtime to satisfy the Marines’ need for the M103M1. So if you want to pilot this diesel machine anytime soon, your local Marine recruiter is the only person who can help you.
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There was talk on Craig Vetter's Web site this weekend that his buddy Fred Hayes says they are still trying to get the engine certified in the US to run on USA Highways. They have to have that before they can offer it to US Citiens.
But, I read this summer that the KLR Diesel Production was being moved to India.
Out sourced like everything else in America.
BTY, Fred Hayes rides his own personel Diesel KLR all over the West Coast around Carmel California.
He hangs out with the Vetter bunch a lot.
I'd love to build a streamliner KLR with one of Fred motors in it.
Think of the possibilities.
Once I get my Diesel Tiger conversion running, I'm going to take it to Carmel and run it in one of Craigs challenges.
Should be a hoot.
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Damn, how stupid is that? Rather than retrofitting them, they should sell the old bikes (including one to me), and make new ones with the new engine. No wonder the military budget is through the roof....Quote:
The Marine Corp is now sending those bikes back to HDT USA, for re-manufacture, and retrofit using the NEW HDT Diesel engine.
cheers!