Re: Protection against theft
I'll second this question. I still hesitate over buying a Shanghai Hu A plate due to the money involved (RMB 43,000), and I would like to know what happens if the bike gets stolen, plate-wise ?
I guess that, as you have the papers, you can reapply for the plates without too much fuss, but this is China, so...
Anyone got info on this ? Help or advices would be much appreciated.
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I would not own a bike in a big Chinese city if I did not have a safe place to park, but what's the definition of safe? I park in an underground garage inside a gated compound. This is of course not foolproof, but it's the bare minimum. The Jialing has an anti-theft system, so the ignition cannot be merely jimmied, and a thief would have to remove the disc lock from my front brake, and either push it up and out of the garage, past guards who (ostensibly) know it's mine, or at least get it out of the garage to a place where they could load it onto a truck.
But I've also considered renting storage space somewhere -- perhaps a guarded workshop -- even though this would make it less convenient to have.
As for the plates, I'm told that in Shanghai the plate is replaceable if you have a police report confirming the theft, though someone posted somewhere in this forum recently that this may no longer be the case.
So there really are no guarantees, and you really need to consider carefully whether your specific circumstances warrant the risks.
Brian, are you in China now? What city? How about updating your profile to show this?
good luck to you both, and hope to be riding with you soon, should you decide to take the plunge.
cheers
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From my understanding and personal experience is that the bikes are normally thrown in the back of a van right away. The bike may then be taken to a secure location where time is on the thieves' side. I use to park my scooter in an underground garage, but one night I missed the midnight gate closing. Sure enough, at 12:10am a gray van drove slowly around looking at the bike racks with a flashlight. It did not appear he was lost or delivering a package. Luckily, some others and I were able to get the attendant to open the gate.
I am currently living in Beijing and looking to get a JingA plate. I am interested in how a theft report is done in Beijing. Is it as simple as showing some paperwork and an empty parking space?
Thanks for the advice!
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I would be parking the bike in an underground parking lot in my building, but there's only a (sleeping) guard at the exit. I guess the bike would be difficult enough to steal with :
- disk lock
- underground parking
- need to push the bike in front of the guard and up the steep ramp as a van would never be allowed in the underground parking (gate with access card)
The guards know me well and my bicycle with compressed air 115db horn ;-)), and I have good relations with them, it can help too.
Do you guys have successful experience in "bribing" the parking lot guard to make sure nothing happens ? ;-))
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Bribe seems like such a dirty word:naughty:. I think it is more commonly referred to as 送礼 or just a nice gift. I can't imagine a gift actually hurting, but I would only pay on a monthly basis in case your bike disappears after giving 6 months up front.
My friend asked an attendant if he could park his motorbike on campus, but she said only bicycles were allowed in underground parking. After he offered her 100 kuai a month she had no problem. If they are only making just over 1000 kuai a month then imagine an incentive of 10% your pay would do. Yet, I might be a little hesitant that the bike might go missing due to the rule of no motor bikes.
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G'Day,
ABUS chain / lock and LUMA wall anchor in the locked garage and some electronic devices installed on the bike and in the garage.........
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You have that in your home garage?!
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Nice. Now you just need to get an angle grinder and round off the bolts on the front axle of that beautiful multistrada to be sure you don't walk into your garage one day and find just a front wheel locked to the wall!
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Nice. Now you just need to get an angle grinder and round off the bolts on the front axle of that beautiful multistrada to be sure you don't walk into your garage one day and find just a front wheel locked to the wall!
Then again, that same angle grinder works for crime too. Anyone can go onto Taobao.com and for as little as 75 RMB buy an angle grinder (or just steal one somewhere) that presumably would cut through the chain or the anchor in about 20 seconds.
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A portable rechargeable model can be had for 485.
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In California I bought -- for $19, disk included -- a (Chinese-made) angle grinder that cut a new chain for my KLR in about five seconds. The tools of crime are cheap in China, too.
I do like TB's idea though, and will ask my building management if I can install one of those anchors, which surely is at least case hardened, etc....
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I do like TB's idea though, and will ask my building management if I can install one of those anchors, which surely is at least case hardened, etc....
G'Day,Bought the LUMA anchor at the Spidi shop (Pubei road) and the ABUS chain was brought over from Germany.The anchor has anti drilling security (steel balls and caps) and is well made: http://store.luma.es/eu/producto.php...lido+Anchor+II
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Nice. Now you just need to get an angle grinder and round off the bolts on the front axle of that beautiful multistrada to be sure you don't walk into your garage one day and find just a front wheel locked to the wall!
Rear wheel will be locked.... you need a special tool to remove a Duc rear wheel.
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You should normally have all the papers of your bike, and it cannot be transferred without the owners ID right. So I doubt a plate (registration) can be lost through theft.
My bike is in a bicycle parking of a hotel with a pretty steep slope and the security room with monitor right next to it. Without disc-lock it will already take at least 2 people to push 200 kg up the slope, with probably 4 people.
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Rear wheel will be locked.... you need a special tool to remove a Duc rear wheel.
A grinder?! Just grind through the tire and rim!
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Underground, gated, parking; also my bikes usually kind of hidden behind other cars.
Covered; out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't prevent theft at all but it *might* keep it from being noticed so easily.
I've got a "Steel mate" security device, though the electrical disruptor is not wired, so it's just a noise maker. If I'm close enough the remote will alarm me if the bikes alarm is activated. Of course I don't get a signal in my apartment but if I'm in a bar or restaurant I will know if the alarm goes off.
A Honda (didn't know they made locks) u-bolt lock around the forks and through the front wheel. They may be able to get it off by removing the caliper and cutting the hose, but it's better than nothing.
A 1.5m chain lock through the rear wheel and around something secure which would be difficult enough to cut.
My ol' paw said, "Locks keep honest people honest." and I think preventing most thefts is removing any easy opportunities. I had my bike stolen because it was just sitting on the sidewalk waiting for someone to carry it off. My friends bike was stolen because all it had was a very cheap u-bolt lock which could have been busted with any small hammer. At the same apartment I had a simple but decent quality combination lock and I would often find that the tumblers had been rolled around but never had anybody try to cut it. It was just a little harder to get at so they moved on to another bike.
I also lock my cases even if I don't have anything in there. I don't think vandalism is much of a problem here but I'd be irked to come back to find my bags full of piss or something....
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G'Day,Bought the LUMA anchor at the Spidi shop (Pubei road) and the ABUS chain was brought over from Germany.The anchor has anti drilling security (steel balls and caps) and is well made: http://store.luma.es/eu/producto.php...lido+Anchor+IIRear wheel will be locked.... you need a special tool to remove a Duc rear wheel.
Completely :offtopic: : was it you TB-racing I saw with the Duc Multistrada on Nanjing lu (near Plaza 66, going towards JingAn Temple) during the Chinese New Year (this week), wearing a helmet which I think was a Rossi (AGV) helmet ?
I was on the YBR 250 with my GF on the back and you (maybe) blew past us and traffic like crazy. :icon10:
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Completely :offtopic: : was it you TB-racing I saw with the Duc Multistrada on Nanjing lu (near Plaza 66, going towards JingAn Temple) during the Chinese New Year (this week), wearing a helmet which I think was a Rossi (AGV) helmet ?
I was on the YBR 250 with my GF on the back and you (maybe) blew past us and traffic like crazy. :icon10:
G'Day,
Sorry to disappoint but have not been anywhere near Shanghai downtown CBD with a car or motorbike for 8+ days and only my son has an AGV Rossi helmet and he can't flat-foot or ride a Ducati just yet......
Ducati PRC shifted the second Multistrada Pikes Peak Edition in PRC down from the Ducati Beijing shop and someone might have taken the bike for a ride, wasn't my bike for sure.
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Since I was PM'd by a fellow MCM member asking advice and info about locks thought I may as well throw some info here to share despite an older thread.
Kryptonite locks - offer solid variety of locks. Worth looking at the companies website. Kryptonite locks for sale on Taobao.
The Kryptonite prices vary a little on Taobao, expect to pay around 2000 for the chain lock and about 1000+ for the U lock.
Look for the NYC fughetaboutit chain/lock from Kryptonite
There are also Xena XUL310 U locks which incorporate an alarm 110dB. So plenty loud. The Xena locks are n Taobao but not specifically the XUL310.
Advice:
Use a combination of two locks, a U lock and a chain lock. The U lock through one wheel to the frame while the chain lock to the other end of the bike and through a solid object/ground anchor.
Also there are chain locks at my local B&Q, 289 kuai. Masterlock I think is the name, I use one on my Dragstar 1100 Classic, in combination with a disc lock.
Worth a read:
ask-a-motorcycle-thief
