ChinaV's new Yingang YG250NF (YG250-6)

Oh boy, my first thread in the Street section here on My China Moto. I've been looking for something to fill the role of a commuter bike, and read a few things about the Yingang YG250NF. On a whim, I sent an email inquiring about price and availability, and was quite surprised at how quickly someone got back to me. The folks at Yingang were just making it too easy to get my hands on this bike. The motorcycle was ready to ship, ready to register, and Yingang was ready to do business. What a pleasant change from the usual BS encounters with most entities here in China. I transferred ¥15K and 48 hours later had a tracking number for the delivery of the motorcycle. Five days later, I came home from work to find a box sitting outside my house.

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A quick peek to see what's inside... looks like a motorsickle. :thumbsup:

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The sun was starting to set, so I decided to wait until tomorrow to do the assembly. Let me just say that my first impression is very good. The crate and packing materials were top notch and Yingang included a race stand and a box of extra gifts. Nice!

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I put fluid in the Yuasa battery, and set it on a 1 AMP trickle charge for the night. :snooze:

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Tune in tomorrow and we'll get this baby together. :naughty:

Cheers!
ChinaV

Holy shit, V! You can't just leave it out there on the street overnight, can you?

First thing I thought, upon seeing the carton: It's completely intact and unmarred! My Jialing carton arrived from Chongqing with a big hole in the side, but fortunately no damage. Back in August in Guiyang, I watched in some horror as a truckload of cartoned scooters was unloaded at a local dealership where I was having my bike serviced. Suffice it to say the offloading was "gravity assisted" and came with gutwrenching sound effects. And the cartons, by the time they reached the ground, did not look anything like yours!

So far so good! Keep it coming!
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cheers

Oh, and I love the English-labeled "gift parts" box. Question: Was Jenifer in there somewhere?

Envy!

ChinaV,
Very nice looking bike and a race stand too! Can't wait to see what's in the "gift parts" box.

ChinaV,

Now I'm thinking about whether Yingang might start being a game-changer in this space of marketing and customer service. I know you've worked closely with Galaxy, but I don't have a sense that this goes beyond accommodating some hardcore hobbyists (you, Pfaelzer and Frankie, mainly) rather than really pulling out the stops to make a great product and win over the hearts of customers, particularly those here in China.

I'm hoping Yingang is raising the bar -- and that others are watching!

And so far, so good. You got a fantastic service response with a cold email. You got one of four hot marketing babes, all of whom can be reached online by Messenger, to do the deal with you in a matter of hours. You got delivery in record time, and in perfect condition (pending any surprises). You got cool extra goodies.

They also have a pretty useful website that's useably bilingual.

Bloody hell -- they answer the phones and email!

But do they have a dealer network and why, for example, are you assembling it yourself, which would seem to have implications for the warranty? Will yours be the first YG250NF in Dongguan the way my JH600 was the first in Shanghai? Are you the first in Guangdong? What about service that cannot be done in your own immaculate garage?

Anyway, the mind runs on, and you're probably more interested in screwing the bloody scoot together than answering all my questions.

But hey, hope springs eternal.

Can't wait to see you put her through her paces!
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cheers

Cheers, way to keep your fans waiting mister!

More please!

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China V has just read Spook's post on maintenance of newly arrived bikes, I bet he strips it down and greases it all up before we get to see it put together for a ride! It looks good in the pics and positive factory support from the beginning is what we all pray for ... and few get.

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So I guess we left off here last night with the battery charging and my new bike sitting half crated outside.

Euphonius, you can leave a motocycle sitting outside all night with the keys and not worry about it, it's a gated community, so things are pretty safe. As far as I know, Yingang doesn't have any dealers in Guangdong, so I doubt there are any of these YG250NF's here yet. Personally, I wouldn't want a shop doing the assembly of my bike. If the factories can barely get it right, I don't think the shops are going to do much better. I've seen too many pictures of bikes being worked on, and I'm always horrified at the lack of care most places exhibit. Warranty issues can be handled by e-mail, again, I prefer to work directly with the factory instead of letting someone else cause further damage. My first step last night is a perfect example... how many times have seen a shop open a battery, fill it with juice, and put it in a bike? If they didn't trickle charge it for 6 hours, you lost half your battery life. I know many people don't have the luxury of doing their own work, but I do urge everyone to watch what is being done when someone is wrenching on your bike.

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First thing to do was finish un-boxing and unwrapping everything so I could get started with the assembly. The "Gift Parts" box had some spare gaskets, seals, oil filters and brake pads.

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Also 4 Liters of oil. I don't know if this comes standard with every bike, but it's a nice touch.

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User manual, operations manual, and toolkit.

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Ready to start assembly.

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Or in my case disassembly, as I wanted to have a look around and tweak all the little things they sometimes miss at the factory. Here's a peak under the tank, you can see there is no airbox, just a pod filter on the carb with a plastic shield around it. Not blown away with that design choice.

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If you try to do this alone, you're in for some fun. I had quite a time getting the front wheel on without a front hoist. First got it raised with my lift, and then slid a jack under it, once I had it on the jack I was able to get the wheel on.

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Wheels and axles all greased, handlebars and controls adjusted, front fender installed and all bolts torqued.

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I call it like I see it folks...(I'm also a bit of a cynical prick)... It's still a China moto, and little things eat at you as you make your way through. The first disappointment comes when looking over the frame, that's some nasty welding.

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Finally get everything together and fill her up with gas. Vroom, the engine starts up easily and falls into an idle after 15-20 seconds on the choke. Sounds pretty nice.

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Got my gear together and took off on my usual 25 kilometer twisty ride to work. I've done this road hundreds of times and know every millimeter of pavement and how each bike handles it. Here are some first impressions. Bear in mind that the bike is new and I can't go revving the shit out of it until the break in is done.

#1 The engine is smoother than the QingQi 250 and Loncin 223, but both of those air-cooled engines feel like they have way more torque down low.

#2 Sixth gear...hooray!... something all my other China bikes have lacked. Get to 100km/h, click sixth and keep going.

#3 Shifting is much more silky than any other China moto I've ridden.

#4 Exhaust sounds good, but the pod airbox setup makes the bike sound like it's starving for air.

#5 Suspension is stable, but doesn't feel as good as the QingQi over larger bumps.

#6 Brakes are fine, better than the QingQi, the "feel" is not quite as responsive as the Galaxy. Could just be a matter of bleeding and replacing with better fluid.

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OK, that's all for now, I need to get some work done. Will try to follow up with more detailed pics and vids later this week after I get some more time riding.

Cheers!
ChinaV

It always frustrates me how you find better welds on a 300 RMB bicycle than on a 15,000 RMB motorcycle. :eek2:

That's funny, i thought it was illegal in china to employ 5 year old kids as welders!

Looking forward to hearing your impressions on the engine after it's run it, maybe it needs more revs to come alive? Do you plan any intake mods, like replace that pod filter with something that breathes better? Perhaps this would release some of the engine's potential.

Still it's impressive the amount of free stuff you got with it, can't say i've ever heard of getting that with any other bike.

I've just noticed that it comes with the same tyres as the Galaxy in motard form. I've had lots of fun with them, but then i've never tried real sticky ones...

I do not like the finish on the frame, it should be satin not flat as flat or matte finishes hold stains and marks. The welds are not neat and some have gaps and pits which may mean they are not even strong. But it seems smears are evident so they are pushing out the air, we could hope, who knows? Keep in mind neat clean welds do not mean they are strong welds, sloppy welds can be very strong, but the finish on that frame looks IMO prone to rusting and also holding stains.

Better welds and a better finish/coating of the frame would be a good improvement.

I still like it but its coming of as typical quality, actually not as good as Qingqi or Galaxy. They all have something they do right and other things they do wrong.

Why did the box of spares include a gasket? Things you eventually will need? Problem with that gasket and it leaking?

The gauges are they steady and accurate? I am having trouble getting past the frame issues.

I’ve seen that engine two tone brushed metal finish and matte black, does the all black engine have different finishes on the head and the side cover from that of the block,I hope they are not just spray painting these parts.

It does not make you a prick, not even too picky, these things matter they detract from the joy factor, seeing things that should not be and then knowing that resolving them is not that major but to some they must be?

People are not perfect…that frame needs some attention YINGANG.

Better wins orders….welding is a skill and so is quality control, it all shows in the end.

How much is the YBR250? Make this bike better then get closer to the YBR250 price.

ChinaV,
Nice looking bike. Looks like they are available in the USA at
http://www.mxmotorsports.us/ProductD...Code=YG-250-NF

Well lets see how it goes. I would want one on looks, specs and sales service alone but then reality kicks in and China V has already said it as it is.

However, it IS a CHINABIKE and Chinabike cheap and should compare with other designs there, not jap bikes or other well-established brands. They are obviously not close to being up there yet with manufacturing quality control and methods which is a bloody shame. Those welds would worry me too, a lot. Not just the poor weld but the fact they couldn't be bothered to scrape/grind off spatter before a quick spray of the kind of black paint that doesn't look very weatherproof. Lets hope it is better inside than out. That last weld shows a lack of understanding of engineering, how welds are done, how the frame should be cut and joined, not just a hot blow with holes trying to fill a too large gap.

And in the USA that link shows $2499 but also just 95% FREE assembly (lol) and just a 6 months warranty. No-one is yet learning about sales and backup, all just dump the crate and run ...

Nice bike and write up V. Comments/concerns about the frame welds and paint quality have already been posted. Just curious, are the oil filters just screens or is there paper media underneath?

It is a very cool bike and ChinaV is a mechanic and also in china.

Scary under the features tab for the YG-250-6 on the MXmotorpsorts web site it is referred to as a Roketa MC-51?

Not the same things.

That bike cannot be legally registered in the USA…. There is no filing with the NHSTA for Yingang and in some states that would stop registration cold.

For people who cannot get that its a federal regulation.

49 C.F.R. PART 565—VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER REQUIREMENTS
Title 49 - Transportation

Its not the same situation in the USA as in China that bike here needs to have a dealer and in that service it, and under the actual 2 year limited factory warranty it comes with.

I’ll tell you what though if it’s VIN was actually properly filed and if there was an online parts list with schematics and prices and linked to a shopping cart and they also offered a shop manual I would consider buying one.

But the big reason I bought the Qlink was the 48 month warranty and it gets serviced at a Kawasaki/Yamaha/Qlink dealer by a mechanic that teaches me things, does not make me cringe he makes the cringes go away….I gladly pay for that.

The price is good...but that bike is as is were is for that price, the 6 month warranty is not even real IMO, bet the MSO/MCO they offer is questionable as well. It is not the same buying it from the factory much better then buying one from fly-by-night-motorsports.com.

MHJ,
My Qlink XF200 only has a 24 month warranty.

I emailed MXmotorsports for information on the bike.

yes 24 not 48....2 years not 4...

Are you near Miami they have this as their address.

4905 NW 72nd Ave. unit #6
Miami, FL 33166

They are in Miami but the shipping page shows delivery is 4 days out? They ship out of southern California?

I'm across Florida in Fort Myers so I could run over there if they actually have the bike ( doubtful) for a look see. I bought a crate bike from an outfit in Miami and it shipped from California.

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My SSR SR125BMW dirt bike.

I guess most of these outfits are just drop ship which is fine with me. I would want a copy of the MSO before I paid my money.

ChinaV,
Is that plate,gasket, and bolts in you free gift box used to block off the Secondary Air Injection?

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Originally Posted by barnone

MHJ,
My Qlink XF200 only has a 24 month warranty.

I emailed MXmotorsports for information on the bike.

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My email to MX:
Dear Sirs,
Do you really have the YINGANG YG-250-NF Street Motorcycle?

The features list it as a Roketa MC51.

Thanks,

Their reply:

yes





Sincerely

Rick@



Miami Warehouse location:

Mx Global inc.
4905 NW 72nd Ave. #6
Miami, FL 33166

I asked if I could see the bike in Miami and got this respose

"No it is located in TX I have them shipped to my Miami location on request for purchase then we prep 100% for you!"


????

They are in Texas because they were inventory for SUNL and before they filed bankruptcy.

SUNL
8551 Esters Blvd Irving, TX 75063

This guy may not even own these, he just has access to them,
Try this guy... Slater Bakhtavar

http://www.bakhlaw.com/

I would ask if they could offer any information about SUNL and who would be handling any liquidations.

Maybe that is what ERIC did? If they give you nothing then ask should I just call the secretary of state of Texas.

If this guy does not own them, then you can buy them just as he can.

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ChinaV,
Is that plate,gasket, and bolts in you free gift box used to block off the Secondary Air Injection?

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Yes, nice of them to provide the necessary block off plate for removing that pesky environmental stuff.

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Looking forward to hearing your impressions on the engine after it's run it, maybe it needs more revs to come alive? Do you plan any intake mods, like replace that pod filter with something that breathes better? Perhaps this would release some of the engine's potential.

Still it's impressive the amount of free stuff you got with it, can't say i've ever heard of getting that with any other bike.

I've just noticed that it comes with the same tyres as the Galaxy in motard form. I've had lots of fun with them, but then i've never tried real sticky ones...

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I will post some more ride impressions soon. I don't want to rev it too much, but… I can say it's got some serious pep in the 5500-7500 rev range. Air box/pod mods are on the list and the tires are fine, the Kenda's are probably one of the best locally produced tires available. Maybe treat myself to something imported after these wear out.

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Well lets see how it goes. I would want one on looks, specs and sales service alone but then reality kicks in and China V has already said it as it is.

However, it IS a CHINABIKE and Chinabike cheap and should compare with other designs there, not jap bikes or other well-established brands. They are obviously not close to being up there yet with manufacturing quality control and methods which is a bloody shame. Those welds would worry me too, a lot. Not just the poor weld but the fact they couldn't be bothered to scrape/grind off spatter before a quick spray of the kind of black paint that doesn't look very weatherproof. Lets hope it is better inside than out. That last weld shows a lack of understanding of engineering, how welds are done, how the frame should be cut and joined, not just a hot blow with holes trying to fill a too large gap.

And in the USA that link shows $2499 but also just 95% FREE assembly (lol) and just a 6 months warranty. No-one is yet learning about sales and backup, all just dump the crate and run ...

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Yup, it's a China bike, I live in China, otherwise I wouldn't be interested. I only paid a thousand USD more for my slightly used Concours 1000 in America :eek2:. Why mess with the unknown, when there are so many great deals on established brands, with great support, available in Europe, America, Aus, etc? China will get there, it's just going to take a lot more time and some serious consolidation in the MC industry. Give me a QingQi, with Yingang customer service, the location and open mind of Galaxy, and I would almost be satisfied.

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Nice bike and write up V. Comments/concerns about the frame welds and paint quality have already been posted. Just curious, are the oil filters just screens or is there paper media underneath?

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Where could I see some of those comments? The oil filters are just screens, but I think Andre555 in Kunming mentioned something about getting paper ones for the Honda NX that work.

Stay tuned… still testing and tinkering.

Cheers!
ChinaV

Mod#1

The stock handlebars felt like they belong on a cruiser. I had a set of motocross bars lying around, and although not quite perfect, a heck of a lot better.

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A bit more aggressive and much better feel when cornering.

Cheers!
ChinaV

Looks way better already! How about flipping those bars upside down to make the riding position even sportier?

I like the clocks. How accurate are they?

The welding is not good, intake someone mentioned before, now I see it was about pod filter (I'm disappointed). BTW, someone managed to replace stock carb with a larger 34mm one. With aftermarket air filter, engine breath better should unleash more power at high rev.

Mr. V, does “Serious pep” means lack of engine power (or torque?) in that rev range?

:popcorn:
Cheers.
TD

Those bars make much more sense and look way more appropriate.

The frame welds are questionable and they are also located in an area that is hard to see unless you take things off. I would water proof it and keep an eye on them for cracking.

I would not say your encouraging people to buy them, but you may or may not be inadvertently.

There is another site in the USA selling them and this one at $2,475.00 delivered.
http://www.motobuys.com/yinyang-yg250nf-mass.html

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Mr. V, does “Serious pep” means lack of engine power (or torque?) in that rev range?

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No it means the opposite, that there's good power in those revs! Sounds nice.

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Where could I see some of those comments? The oil filters are just screens, but I think Andre555 in Kunming mentioned something about getting paper ones for the Honda NX that work.

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Meaning that others have already expressed thier concerns about the quality (or lack) of the welds and the frame paint. I do like the looks of the bike though. Reminds me of the Hyosung 250/650 Comets.