Looks like just one Chinese rider in this years Dakar.
Rider No 149 Han Bao Hua on a Jincheng JC 450F.
Still in there after day 3.Currently in 160th position.
Will he make it to the finish?
Go Han.:clap:
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Looks like just one Chinese rider in this years Dakar.
Rider No 149 Han Bao Hua on a Jincheng JC 450F.
Still in there after day 3.Currently in 160th position.
Will he make it to the finish?
Go Han.:clap:
Just wondering, what bike is that Jincheng? Is that a chinese bike, or is it just a bit of sticker engineering on a foreign bike?
See post #393 here!Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
Great thread! Would be great to have a Chinese finisher, even if he's on a Jincheng-badged Yammie. It's a bit of work wading through that 95-page ADVrider thread, however. is anyone blogging in Chinese?
thanks!
Ah ok thanks for the reply! Out of interest, what's point/how do they get away with sticking their name all over someone else's bike?
Ok here's my view on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
China is a big growing economy.One of the few in the world that is powering ahead.
Yeah if they wanted to they could put a stop to Jincheng racing but really what are there chances of taking a podium place?What are there chances of even finishing the event?
I think there happy seeing China taking part.Jincheng if it starts getting competitive things would probally change buts thats a long way off.
What are the chances of a Chinese made Motorcycle finishing the rally even the Chinese have worked that out.It's a huge difference from the Taklimakan rally.
It's the pinacale of rally raids.
Plus if they where asked "isn't that a Yamaha" they would probally say no we took the yamaha as a base and refined it into what we thought was a true motorcycle a Jincheng.
The Chinese don't like loosing face.
OK, it's wintertime (here in the northern hemisphere), so I'll bite. Bigdamo asks what are the chances of a chinabike even finishing Dakar? Is there a single Chinese-made model that would even be appropriate for such a race? I'm a total newb to Paris-Dakar, but Wikipedia tells me there are both production bikes ("marathon" group) and highly modified bikes ("super production" group) in two displacement classes: above and below 450cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdamo
Much as I've enjoyed reading about the Galaxys Qingqis and Shinerays and Regal Raptors Lifans under the butts of our many capably riders, I don't remember reading about any Chinabike that both fits the description of dual sport/motard and leaves the 200/250cc range. There was that thread about the evanescent Asiawing 450 dirt bike, which still gives one some slim hope. Could an XTR250 or TGR250 even think of finishing?Quote:
The Moto class is divided between three groups. Group 1 is Marathon, which are nearly unmodified production motorcycles, subdivided between engines of greater and less than 451 cc (28 cu in).[11] Group 2 is Super-Production bikes, which are more substantially modified than Marathon bikes, subdivided between engines of greater and less than 451 cc.[11] Group 3 for quads, subdivided between engines of greater and less than 500 cc.[11]
In the above 450cc range, eeer, weellll, ummmm, there's the JH600. OMG. Actually, yes, as a proud owner who's put mine through quite a bit, I actually CAN imagine the Jialing dual sport finishing Paris-Dakar, but we'd be measuring the splits in days, not minutes, and surely even with all of Pfaelzer's mods the bike would need a ton surgical services along the way.
So, to reiterate bigdamo's question: Is there a single chinabike that one could imagine surviving a Paris-Dakar type ride? Even with substantial modifications?
cheers
It's all changed no more big bores after this year and no one is putting alot of money into something they can't ride next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I think there is a 250cc class.I think there is a 50cc class.I think you would be changing the engines alot though.
There changinging the engines alot on the 450's thats why there pissed not running the the big bores anymore.
If you do not make the cut off time for the stage your out of the event so sorry your JH600 probally won't finish the event.
3 riders on Jincheng Bikes:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2011/us/rider/070.html
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2011/us/rider/081.html
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2011/us/rider/149.html
None of them competitive...Its taking part that counts!
Also Chinese cars involved!
Interested check the DAKAR homepage.
Well two of them old Pablo dosn't look to Chinese to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre555
But for sure just taking part takes lots of money training,practice and big balls.
forgot to mention, out of the 3 old Pablo is best in the ranking so far...
Its taking part that counts!
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Seems that the Chinese Car Companies withdraw, last week Cherry X5 was still mentioned to partizipate, I think GreatWall was also mentioned. Now all Chinese Car drivers are in Nissans, Mitsu and other...Only 1 in a Truck MAN
Whats the chance old Pablo is on the team to get the other two through to the end?Quote:
Originally Posted by andre555
Whatever it takes!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdamo
Go Pablo! Go Su! Go Han!
By the way, who is this Jincheng Motorcycles, anyway????? 金城摩托车
And here's their Dakar page. Say, where's Pablo??
cheers
Hey that Su is going well 67th overall.
We get crap coverage in Aus, just a 1/2 hour daily update but it is still worth watching. They often get a dozen punctures a day. Slime wouldn't fix that. The bikes are great but the trucks ... bloody insane!
You'd wish some rich young Chinese play boy would take his Lambo money and spend it on rebuilding a Great Wall 4WD. I'd love to see one of them compete along with an Indian Maihundra 4WD. Be really special if they won!
Is there anyway of following the Chinese riders on any other website? Looks like Su is doing a great job and gradually moving up the order. Also, anyone know about the Jincheng bikes? Any webs? Are they Susuki or yamaha focused? I think Jincheng has JV with Suzuki.
If these guys are on Jincheng-stickered Yamahas, then now I'm even more confused.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Nanjing Jincheng Motorcycle Co., Ltd, the registered capital of which is RMB 80 million, is a subsidiary of Jincheng Group, its controlling shareholder. It formally began production in September, 1997. With an annual designing capacity of 200,000 motorcycles, it is responsible for manufacturing motorcycles of the model using the technology transferred by Jincheng Group and Japan Suzuki Motor Corporation. At present, its four styles of “Suzuki” brand motorcycles, namely SJ50QT、SJ110、SJ125T、SJ125 and “Suzuki” GF 125 engine using state-of-the-art technology are deeply favored by the domestic and overseas markets as well as the consumers for their high quality, outstanding performance and novel styles.
The company now has a group of professional high quality employees, who are technically skilled, good at management and knowledgeable. All the employees have accepted the technological training and research of Japanese Suzuki Motor Corporation.
What am I not getting? :confused1:
Jape, wish no more. There is a Great Wall in the thick of things. Look out for car No 372, driven by Zhou Yong with co-pilot Sylvain Poncet. They started out badly with mech. troubles and had fallen to 127 at one stage. They came back strongly the very next day - overtaking 61 cars.
As of now, with completion of stage 9, they are sitting pretty at the 16th spot overall.
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Red Bull makes sugar water with caffein, yet you will find their logos covering many bikes. Although Jincheng is a motorcycle company, I haven't seen anything from the web-o-sphere indicating they built their own Dakar machine from the ground up. Plenty of motorcycle companies in China have joint interests with Suzuki... Haojue and QingQi come to mind. So I'm guessing that Jincheng makes a bunch of Suzuki clones, but has deep enough pockets (and the passion) for creating a Dakar team. Good on them, it's nice to see a genuine interest in the sport, and I'm glad they're doing well. Their choice of a Yamaha based Dakar bike probably has nothing to do with their day to day business.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoKai
The embarrassing fact about those fancy Chinese corporate profiles, is when you read about the money, capacity, and technology they have access to, yet they are so tied up in building 125cc peasant mobiles. These Chinese factories have millions of dollars of equipment and personnel at their disposal, yet are unable to produce a single model that has rocked the motorcycle world. Kind of sad when you see all these tiny little shops in Europe or America creating works of art with barely a penny to their name.
Cheers!
ChinaV
The time is coming ChinaV....
Along with the J-20, China is developing sophisticated new warships, submarines, missiles, one or more aircraft carriers and motorcycles. :riding:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...e-appe-007.jpg
They don't build Suzuki anymore. That "GF125" equipped w/ 4-valve machine almost identical to Hyosung w/ same model name. Apart from models mention above, AX100 was their bread & cheese.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoKai
BIG player's new "peasant" model had minor improvement: OHC/ standard shift pattern / 150Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
Team Jincheng: The 3 amigos
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more info :
http://news.xinmin.cn/rollnews/2010/12/30/8598574.html
It appears that #70 Pablo Pascual (Jincheng Yamaha 450) finished the rally in 65th place, and his teammate Su Wenmin #81 finished in 69th place...
By the way, Simon Pavey (from long way round and "race to dakar" fame) finished one place back in 70th. Bravo! :thumbsup:
It appears that the third member of the Jincheng Yamaha team, Han Baohua #149, did not finish stage 7 and withdrew. It is strange that he is not listed on the dakar.com website on the withdrawls section. But there are no records for him after stage 6.... http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2011/us/rider/149.html
Thanks for the update. Han's dropping out was reported a couple of days ago, and he was described as "another" Chinese to drop out. It seems the other three were four-wheelers, not motorcyclists. Here's one report in English from China Daily:
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Another Chinese drops out of Dakar
Motorcyclist Han Baohua became the fourth Chinese participant to withdraw from the Dakar Rally before the start of the ninth stage on Tuesday. Han had to pull out of the race in the eighth stage after he ran out of fuel with 4.5 kilometers to go before the fourth check point and was unable to climb over a mountain with his bike.
The world's most gruelling rally had previously taken its toll on seventh-time China rally veteran Lu Ningjun, Guo Hongzhi and Ma Junkun.
Lu, of the Rely-Double Star Team, took over the job as the team captain and his teammates, Liu Kun and Jiang Yaohuan, driving China-made Chery Rely X5s, finished the ninth stage, a 235km special, in 23rd and 39th places respectively. Jiang, last year's 29th-place finisher, is now 44th overall while Dakar debutant Liu is 46th.
The best Chinese performer on Tuesday was Zhou Yong, who finished the stage in three hours, 44 minutes and 54 seconds and in 18th place. Zhou advanced one place in the overall standings, from 17th to 16th.
In motorcycling, Su Wenming was 62nd in the stage and 67th overall. Truck driver Li Yang reached home in 21st place and is 19th overall.
Source:China Daily
Simon did this rally with no back up no support.Huge effort he was running better than 70th had some problems with bike in the latter stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhfox
Well done Su .Is he the first Chinese motorcyclist to finish the Dakar?