I've heard there's an HID kit available for the 200 dual sports in China.
Have any of you guys over there ever seen one?
I'd like to replace the crappy stock lighting on my GY-5. I bought a 45 watt bulb, but I'd like even more light.
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I've heard there's an HID kit available for the 200 dual sports in China.
Have any of you guys over there ever seen one?
I'd like to replace the crappy stock lighting on my GY-5. I bought a 45 watt bulb, but I'd like even more light.
I have one, they are available. The stock headlamp on my dual sport was dangerously dim for anything >40kmph, but the HID headlamp is ridiculously bright.
Where and how did you buy it?
What's it's brand name? 'Cuz maybe I could find it on ebay that way..
Any idea of how I could get one to Canada? :confused1:
Is it just a bulb, or did you replace the whole headlight?
You should be able to pick one up on ebay pretty cheap. The only thing you have to realize is the lights are not transportation Canada certified and could make it difficult for you to inspect your bike in the future.
They come as a kit with a relay, ballast and bulb. They take some work installing but it is pretty straight forward. I also put on on my bike and the hardest part of the install was finding a place to hide the ballast.
Actually all and any modifications to head lights on motorcycles and cars that are not transport Canada certified are 100% illegal in Canada and can cause you some trouble if the cops are in a bad mood. If you do decide to do it make sure you keep the stock light so it can be changed if and when an inspection is needed.
Mike
There is no safety inspection in New Brunswick for motorcycles, but as for roadside checks,well....They'd have to be digging to get at the bulb, although of course there's nothing saying that would stop them...
Then I say go for it. It is a really easy install and will provide piece of mind and safety. I don't know why thefactories don't just put them on the bikes when the roll off the lines. Those little bulbs the bikes come with do absolutly nothing to help a rider see.
hi guys,
could anyone who has installed an hid kit provide some specifics and some pictures? maybe some installation tips for people who have never undertaken a lighting upgrade?
somewhere down the road, when the days get shorter again i will be looking to install a set. for me i want to leave the main headlight functional but would like some focused lights that can be toggled on and off.
here is a good no nonsense article about optimal lighting. it is recomended to use a 6000k bulb. explaining that anything more powerfull actually becomes less effective at producing light.
http://www.hidfoglight.com/customerS.../why6000k.html
That's a great question. I know BeemerBoy on ADV has installed an HID kit on the QingQiGY200 and it should work fine on the XP/XF but I think he had a local shop in Chengdu install them. Then he put a round DR200 lamp on it and said that thing really lights up the road!
I hope re reposts that info here as well as the mods he's made to his QingQi because he's probably got the most customize QingQi around.
CC
My Qingqi QM200GY has a halogen 35w bulb, but it's the same pattern as normal car 55w ones. I've yet to try changing it for fear that the heat generated will damage the reflector or plastic lens... I hope the generator can cope with the extra load as at the moment switching the lights on at tickover causes the engine speed to drop apreciably.
You know, I went to the 35W halogen bulb, and could never be happier. I am required to ride down 2 miles of dirt road with Elk, Deer, Antelope, Jack Rabbits, Coyotes, as well as many other large animals, and never once with the Halogen bulb have I not been able to see them before the saw me.
The difference between the two bulbs was like night and day. No pun intended of course. You might want to try it before you drop good money down on something that might get you pulled off the road one night.
I'm confused.
I installed a 45-watt Bosch bulb I bought from the local HD dealership.
Would a halogen be somehow brighter? Because I am not happy with the light from my 45 watt bulb.
You should buy an HID kit from ebay. I'm not sure of the cost, but they are niversl. All you have to do is follow the wiring diragram. a 45W bulb might burn out your stator and a hallogen bulb might do the same thing. Most of the HID kits only draw 25W which should be about the same as the draw of your stock bulb
35w Halogen would be about 1.5x brighter than a 45w incandecent bulb. It is the efficiency of the filament operating in Halogen gas. Just look at how bright a 15W Halogen bulb in a house is vs a 40W incadecent. Just walk into Home Depot or Lowes, and look at the difference. You can feel the energy in the form of heat coming off the light. Dont worry, I havent seen a China bike yet with a plastic lense, they have all been glass.
Stay away from the 45W bulbs, they use more power, but dont create much more Lumens. Unless you have LED Markers and Turns, you will likely burn up the stator in a short time. Way to much of a power draw!!
I too thought about the HID. The two issue I was concerned with was the fact that they draw well over 15 amps at start up, and some of the cheaper "overseas" units can draw up to 25. I purchased a 9004 kit for my Saab 9000, and have measured over 20 amps each on start up. Infact I burnt my last DVOM up, as it was rated to 10A cont, 15A int. This is alot of power to pull on a battery that can range from 8-15 amps total. The other issue is that many do not have diffusers in them. Instead of placing a light down on the road like a spotlight they flood the area with light, like a flood light. Most automobile headlamps have diffusers cut into the light, were the BA20D uses a small diffuser over the fillament. Any oncoming officer of the Law here in the states will stop you and write you a ticket for blinding him. :deal:
Re: the stator burning out -
I can't agree or disagree with you on that, but I will say this. Lots of people have ASSUMED the bikes don't put enough power out for bigger bulbs, but there's a Kiwi on the CR site that has a 130/90 bulb in his bike, or so he claims. Other people have said they have 65 watt bulbs.....so I don't know. Obviously I'm not 100% sure that they won't damage my stator, because I still haven''t tried putting that much wattage on there yet, and I doubt I will....
It'd be nice if someone could actually measure the power output and see what these bikes give.
USMC-Mustang,
i would have to say that anyone living in the mojave desert, or near abouts, recommending lighting has me convinced!!! it sounds like a perfect fit for my bike. that will be my choice.
i want the biggest bang for the buck with the least amount of stress on my stock parts.
i am going with a 35 watt front bulb and will go to the led rear tail/break light. my buddy has that and said it is much brighter than stock and should save some energy draw from the stator and battery.
on my bike both the headlight and taillight are on if the bike is on. no switches to turn them off.
Well you must have confused with Culcune when it comes to the desert. Culcune likes it, and he keeps missing the bus to Seligman. We live up in them there mountains above 1 mile elevation with pine trees and wild man eating Elk. Still trying to catch the one for culcune, figured I would strap some funky chinese decals, some foot pegs and see how long culcune could ride it till that one breaks too.
Anyways.... Love the 35w Ba20D halogen. Works great. That and the 1157 and 194 leds, I look like a christmas light on two wheels..
Still trying to pawn off those 9004 HID, but cant find anyone I dont like that much. Oh yeah just remembered Culcune got some bulbs that will fit that Caddy of yours..
I have a bad feeling if I can ever get him to come up here to go riding he is going to park that thing in my yard and leave it. He already made the comment he wanted to load it on my trailer when I picked up the jetmoto..
wherever you live its sounds like you have thought it through and its getting time for me to get some more light now that it is dark when i leave for werk in the morning.
One of the best changes you can make to your bike to support more wattage is run a heavier gauge power line straight from you battery to the bulb, switched by a relay (which is of course switched from the light controls).
Some riders claim that by keeping the stock bulb and only replacing/upgrading the stock wiring gives them a noticibly stronger light. Even if it doesn't you'll be able to support a higher wattage bulb w/o going HID.
My .02,
CC
very interesting. i am really getting serious about doing something now. the stock light is pretty bad unless i have the high beam on.
i am also considering an led headlight. looks like they are not too popular yet. but it seems it would draw less energy.
here is one for a suzuki gsx r600.....
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...3L._SL400_.jpg
http://www.extremestyling.com/SUZUKI...source=froogle
Yo I don't think most LED lights are designed for headlamp usage. I think you'd get more candles out of an HID set up which you can get for under 100bucks.
Be sure you're looking for a High/Low-beam unit which uses a HID main and also has a halogen high-beam. From what I understand, with the HID you almost never use the Halogen.
The days are getting shorter and I know you like "spirited" riding, so getting some decent lumens might be good fur safety. :deal:
CC
my high beam went out. figuring it is only a matter of time b4 the whole
thing blows so now i am going to go with a 35w Halogen. any quality brand
recommendations?
WHOA HOLMES! Long time no see?!??! What the hell you been up to Jeeves? Hope all has been good!
I think most folks just go for the best deal they can on ebay. Looks like skinny ballast modules would be the best to fit behind the front headlight cowling.
Also, in case you haven't checked, single bulb HID's with low/high use a different type of hig bulb with a standard Halogen High beam built into it.
Sorry can't provide much more than that as I haven't converted light over yet. Been using the Silverstars or whatever they're called and they seem alright but burn out pretty quickly on a bike.
Anywho, Murry XMess!
:goodtime:
CC
hey cc,
life is good. been riding everyday. the bike is running like a champion! so i think i will
go with a standard Bosch BA20D Headlight Bulb 35/35w (Type 2). i will keep you updated.
I just wanted to add a little something to this thread concerning HID lights. I have fitted two systems, one each for two of my three of my bikes here in China. One system has been fitted to my Dragstar 1100cc cruiser while the other was fitted to my CFMoto 250cc large scooter (aka Honda Helix). The HID systems are Chinese brands, and are the top end units, with HID xenon high and low beams (25W), as opposed to many of the units which are 25W high beam xenon with a standard 50W halogen low beam (sometimes the halogen wattage is even lower).
Fitting was easy on both bikes, the CFMoto scotter being the easier of the two, since there is inherently more space under the front fairing and around the headlight unit itself which meant the ballast could be hidden away inside underneath the fairing cockpit. The only caveat was that it takes time to remove the CFMoto front-end fairing and refitting it all. In comparison the Dragstar didn't take as long to remove the front headlight from it's housing, but the downside was that the ballast unit is far too big to fit inside the headlight housing. I ended up placing the ballast above the headlight using double-sided foam tape against the front fork head yolks.
In application the headlights have been quite good, and certainly is markedly better when it comes to the CFMoto 250 head-light. Even though I'd previously fitted a 100/90W halogen buld to the CFMoto and the Dragstar it never was as bright as the Dragstar headlight. In contrast, the Dragstar headlight with the 100/90W halogen had a great spread, and fairly decent forward penetration.
I've had the HID's fitted now for about 5 months (cost CNY270 per set), and they have proved to be hassle free. The issue with the HID units for me has been that the intensity of the white light tends to be too focused with not enough spread effect on either high or low beam, and this is true for both bikes that I've fitted the HID system. The other issue for me, is that the HID hasn't a wiring loom that allows integration of the standard "passing" switch which is seperate to the head-light on/off switch, and when pressed would momentarily activate the head-light high beam. Though I tend to ride with my head-lights on no matter the time of day.
While I like the white intensity and penetration of the HID overall, the majority of the beam is too focused to an area in the front of the bikes with much less spread of the light beam as I'd like and is normal on the halogen bulbs. For that reason I'm likely to remove the HID from the Dragstar and fit a 130/100W halogen, which is what I run in my car. They're damn good. I also miss not having the ability to use the passing switch with the HID light.
In all honesty around these parts, Chinese tend to drive with their lights on high (full) beam at night, irrespective of other road users, and they often don't respond to being flashed with high beams in an effort to have them "dip" their lights, so my having really bright lights is important.
Just my kuai's worth.
If anyone wants to some close up photos of the units fitted then let me know.
Try the Xenon BAD20D 35W/35W bulb upgrade. The difference is startling. Day or night.
£5.99 incl P&P from eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDA-CG-125-X...item4837f8dd0c
i have had a 55/60 watt halogen bulb fitted for over a year now no problems at all its the zenon one to
Sounds more like that is a Halogen, not a Xenon. Some packing might say Xenon, but at the wattage you state above [55/60W - which is standard Halogen for automotive application], that makes the gas Halogen... and Xenon bulbs need a ballast (especially if after-market), so if you bought just a bulb, then Halogen it is.
the tip of my bulb is blue and is very bright think you right its halogen just maybe the blue ice one think thats what they call it
My BA20D (old bayonet fitting 35W/35W bulb is Xenon - no ballast. The same supplier does a BA20D 50W/50W Xenon. Theay are made in Germany. No foreign muck, right. :naughty:
Sounds to me as though you have a Xenon copy, not a real Xenon headlight... easy way to know, when you turn on the headlight, does it take a second to turn on, then during several more seconds the light gets brighter and brighter, yes/no?
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If yes, then somewhere your headlight system will have a ballast, if not, then you have a imitation Xenon.
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Another method is simply remove the bulb, remembering not to touch the glass, and look inside, do you see a filament?
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In Xenon bulbs there's no filament, only a mixture of gases the main gas being Xenon.
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I know from personal experience that many Chinese brand headlight bulbs state that the bulb is/use Xenon, or is extra white white-light etc. but it's still Halogen no matter how you candy coat it! In other words they are complete BS!
Xenon lights provide a reproduction of daylights natural spectrum so visibility of the road and what is in front of you seems much more like what you see during the day. Not only is this much easier on your eyes but it is much safer for the driver/rider especially during hazardous conditions such as rain, fog, or snow. Xenon lights also last significantly longer than standard headlights with most having as much as ten times the lifespan. Another great benefit to xenon is although they provide you with more light they actually use less battery life than standard halogen lights. The lights are generally six to eight times more energy efficient providing you with less worry if your must use your headlights without your vehicle running or just generally care about putting less stress on your vehicles battery.
First off, how does it work? The system includes a bulb(s) and a power ballast(s) to drive them. Unlike a halogen bulb, which is a glass globe with a physical filament in it (which heats up to glowing when current passes through), an HID bulb has no filament. It functions much the same as an arc welder. At either end of a glass tube with a globe in the centre, is an electrode. The centre globe is filled with a combination of elements, among which is xenon gas. The power ballast is basically a transformer, which takes the 12 volt input from your car and boosts it tremendously. Xenon gas lights need an initial surge of over 22,000 volts to ignite, and a steady 75-85 volts to stay lit. The transformer in the power ballast steps up your 12 volt car voltage to these levels to drive the lights. However, the current is very, very low, and the result is a power draw of only 35 watts, a lot lower than the power draw of halogen lights. When the ballast fires that initial starting voltage, the electricity arcs between the electrodes in the bulb, through the xenon globe, molecularly exciting the xenon gas and causing it to emit light.
Next, you'll need the colour temperature. The temperature, or "warmth", of the light is described in degrees Kelvin. Any manufacturer that offers HID lights as standard or optional equipment, puts out kits with a colour temperature of 4300K (4300 degrees Kelvin). Again, this is a measurement of colour, NOT of physical temperature. They offer 4300K bulbs because natural sunlight/daylight is very close to that colour, and from behind the wheel, the combination of light colour and light intensity rivals that of daylight. It's also a colour that is easy on the eyes, and long night drives are more relaxing than with the yellowed halogen light - One will likely feel less fatigued with HID lights than with halogens.
With colour temperature, the higher the number, the more blue the light gets. The lower the number, the more it trends to yellow (a 3000K HID kit in your foglights would be a blazing yellow/amber colour, great for cutting through rain, driving snow, or fog). 4300K light is very crystalline white on the road. Moving upward through 5000K and 6000K kits, you'll get a richer white with tinges of blue. I have had 4300K and 5000K in past cars, and currently have 6000K HIDs in my Audi. I like the 6000K best, but that's personal preference, although it does seem to have the fullest light.
Going beyond 6000K, you start getting into a seriously blue spectrum, and this is not recommended - sure it looks cool, but blue is one of the worst colours for visual definition, and does not penetrate distance nearly as well as the whiter colours of the spectrum. Going to 10,000K and above makes the light almost purple - again, cool for looks, but lousy for driving.
Remember that 25W Xenon is the same as 55-60W Halogen.