Loncin GN250

Loncin is offering its version of the GN250 engine on this LX-250-7 (Jedi) and a dual sport with that engine as well. JL250-GY (Rover)


LX250-7
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...X250-7back.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...50-7back45.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250-7front.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...X250-7left.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250-7right.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t45-orange.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/40aea721.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/061cb46f.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/ccd83d10.jpg

JL250-GY
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...L250GYback.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...50GYback45.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250GYfront.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...L250GYleft.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250GYright.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t45-orange.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/ab61c0b1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/cad80d75.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/388aa599.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/2be75279.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/7c7d165e.jpg

Loncin does have distribution for North America, and they now have better products to offer it will be interesting to see if they will be offering these new models? They have to add the new models to inventory and they also have to proactively go after dealerships.

The 650 model would have to be priced well under $6,000.00 and would have to offer 24 months of warranty. Not many will consider it over a Kawasaki Versys or ERN-6 unless it offers at least a twenty five percent discount to any comparable model and double the warranty that Kawasaki and others offer.

The 250’s would have to be priced well under $3,000.00 and also offer extended warranty.

I do not see it happening unless Loncin China bankrolls its North American distributor, bet that the North American distributor does not even have the cash flow to update the website. It would be for them near impossible to get dealers to take inventory at their own cost for any of these, too high a risk in too tight a market. But unless the models are sitting in a showroom they cannot sell, ninety nine percent of all new sales occur on a major dealers showroom floor. They often hold inventory for more then a year…

I am fairly sure that the major brands finance the cost of the bikes to dealers or they find a third party to do it. So for the Chinese they should take that role or nothing will likely happen.

They both look great bikes, not sure about the seat on the road bike, it looks a bit goofy and uncomfortable. The motard looks stunning though, nice styling, clear lenses and I really like the cast wheels! I usually prefer spokes as well.. but i am a sucker for anything orange haha

Love the styling of the motard and I agree, those cast wheels are nice! But that front brake line routing is more than questionable. Can't think of one reason why it would be routed around the front....? Anybody??

It allows the brake line to move up and down in a straight line as the suspension moves. It slides up and down
through plastic guides and the flex is taken in a large radius across the handlebars
with a convetional system the brake line flexes and twists is it moves in a smaller area
I think Suzuki had this patented for a few years before it expired and everyone adopted it for off road use. It wasn't a problem for conventional forks before

The street bike version is selling in Europe under the brand Hamachi Motors Macedonia for 2200 Euro.
Equals roughly $3,000.00 USD today.


http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250-Jedi-3.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...50-Jedi_14.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0671daaae8.jpg

Also comes in Black
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ht45-black.jpg

Loncin also has a cruiser they call it the T-Rex that bike has the GN300 engine?
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...300-4right.jpg
That engine for sale on line…
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...-gn300-923.jpg


292cc bore and stroke at 78x61.2mm, 21.7hp @7500rpm, 20Nm @6000rpm.

SM178FMN
Thats the code used to identify the 292cc single that Loncin is manufacturing. It looks to be based on a GZ250 Suzuki engine which is a 249cc single 72x61mm, it seem that the bore increased by 6mm.

Here are the two engines, the cases look the same.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ncin/292cc.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...50Marauder.jpg

Both have the Twin Dome Combustion chamber. (TDC) A single cylinder with two exhaust ports.

The Chinese have their work cut out for them…

The GZ250 has a MSRP of $2,999.00 in the USA.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0Maraudera.jpg
The TU250 has a 2-valve Suzuki engine different to the GN250 engine that Loncin utilizes on the LX-250-7
And the JL250-GY is selling with a MSRP of $3,999.00 and comes with EFI. The TU250 was not manufactured in 2010 or at least not imported as there are only 2009 models and 2011 models. The TU250 also only comes in two colors dark red for 2009 and sort of brown for 2011.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...011-suzuki.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...Suz_TU250X.jpg

TU250 is not the same motor as GN250. The TU250 is the motor QingQi uses in the QM250 series.

Cheers!
ChinaV

What is the difference?
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...an-motorcycles

There really is no GZ250 engine is there, its actually the GN250 engine?
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk...zuki-gn250.jpg

What 250 are they using in the Loncin that only has one exhaust port? Is it the same as engine design as the TU250 that also has a 72 x 61.2 the bore and stroke that are the same as the Loncin engines?

It seems that both the Suzuki 249cc have the same bore and stroke? The difference is what the TDC?

The TU250 engine only two valves and the GN250 is a four valve?

I cannot find decent specs online, there are people getting paid to publish and then do not get it right. I find one site that says one engine is a 2-valve and another that has its as 4 valves? Then I find the opposite…

I also am finding the TU250 not selling well with discounts on them…$3,500.00 for a 2011 and with 1.99% financing.

I know the engines are not the same….the engine on the TU is not a GN engine. But am not sure why the Loncin 250 does not have the TDC when the other GN250 versions do?

Also I mixed up the photos….the detail pictures are not lined up with the correct models. Sometimes the manufactures use a 200cc or even 125cc when advertising a model that comes with a 250cc. I do not think they have a 250cc in that motard in those photos.

I could be wrong but I think the engines in the 250 Loncin street bike is the same as in the TU250 and not a GN250 engine unless you loosely use the GN to define a Suzuki engine design, like CB and CG for Honda’s which they all do.

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Originally Posted by richardktm

It allows the brake line to move up and down in a straight line as the suspension moves. It slides up and down
through plastic guides and the flex is taken in a large radius across the handlebars
with a convetional system the brake line flexes and twists is it moves in a smaller area
I think Suzuki had this patented for a few years before it expired and everyone adopted it for off road use. It wasn't a problem for conventional forks before

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very true, otehrwise this happens, within a month(2500km) of riding::
http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/58_252/109_154/P1050079.jpg
By the way, still didn't fix it. I'm Chinese now, i'll keep it untill it falls off, then I'll tape it with something and keep it for another 10k .. Well, dealer won't sell me a hose alone, and I can't find a hose with end caps that fit. And I'm not tossing a good working brake caliper for a hose.

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Originally Posted by Mfpthebronze

Love the styling of the motard and I agree, those cast wheels are nice! But that front brake line routing is more than questionable. Can't think of one reason why it would be routed around the front....? Anybody??

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The Qlink/Qingqi are routed this way also. The fork protectors cover the line and slide up and down with the wheel/axle. The forks look like they have a bit more travel then the Qlink/Qingqi, though. I am curious as to why they designed it this way, though, as it does expose the line to damage.

The engine used on the Rover, that’s the dual sport has a CB250 or the same engine used on the Galaxy motorcycles, the 223cc OHC Honda engine with16.1hp

The engine on the Jedi, that’s the street bike is a GN250 and it should have a TDC, that’s a dual exhaust? The GN is a 249cc engine, 4-valve single I believe, its a Suzuki engine design. I am not sure at all on that as the images do not reveal a TDC and it could be possible the Loncin modified the engine to one exhaust port?

It really got me wondering what the differences are between the TU250 engine and the GN250 engines? I suspect the cam and internal gearing? They have the same Bore and Stroke but this version specs at only 18.5hp and the TU250 version specs at 20hp.

The dual sport also comes in a 200cc version which is a CG200 or a Honda OHV push-rod design. They call it the Ranger.

They are all quick to production and low cost models, if the price is low and the quality decent they should sell well.

The Loncin 250 sport bike model is being sold through Zanella in Argentina, The 250 street bike sold as the Zanella RX250

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_01_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_02_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_03_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_04_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_05_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_06_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_07_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_08_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_09_max.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250_10_max.jpg

However the Loncin 250 (223cc) Enduro is not offered through Zanella it looks like they sell the Lifan250 GY-7 instead.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0sm_03_max.jpg



http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0sm_01_max.jpg

The Loncin models are being offered under the M1NSK brand as well as the Zanella brand but seems only by Zanella Uruguay.

M1NSK is also offering the Megelli 250.…
As well as the Loncin that has a version of the Suzuki GN250 engine.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...1NSK/item2.jpg

For 2011 it seems that Zanella dropped the Lifan (GY-7) 250 water cooled it offered for its Motard and went with the air cooled Loncin model with the 223cc engine instead.

Zanella offers that Loncin Motorcyle as the ZTT250 and also offers it’s a 200cc version as it ZTT200. (different frames though)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...upermotard.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t200motard.jpg


Minsk only offers the 200cc of the Loncin as its X 200 and seems only as a dual sport.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../item-x200.jpg

Minsk also offers a 200cc standard as its M4 200.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...K/11_2fb5e.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...K/item200w.jpg

What a difference a paint color makes….that standard with an upgrade to the 223cc would be my choice, or the 249cc 4-valve Suzuki GN250 even better yet.

The Minsk M4 500 based off the Cagiva/Asiawing never made it….either it was limited in release or never made it to the market? Either way M1NSK does not have it in its 2011 model line.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...500_2010_1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...500_2010_3.jpg

Since the Asiawing Spark is EPA/DOT certified and the Minsk is basically the same bike it could get a faster track to the USA market then other models. But with out quality control support and an actual dealer network it would not do very well.

Spark
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../Spark_500.jpg
Notice the colors and also wheels….the same.

This is the Asiawing 500, not sure why the Minsk has a dual exhaust? Single cylinder engine can be configured with dual exhausts, the GN250 comes with either one or two exhaust ports.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...awing/500A.jpg

Then read this....

The engine is from the design of the Cagiva River…in that bike it had a dual exhaust.

The original was consider a good bike...it all screams of a lack of quality control, that being what Asiawing does.

Cagiva_River

the wheels are actually a copy of the original.

Not sure what the post about FAKE ASIAWING is all about, it was posted by Galardi that sell them
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../cat_gl500.jpg

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Originally Posted by MJH

Minsk also offers a 200cc standard as its M4 200.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...K/11_2fb5e.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...K/item200w.jpg

What a difference a paint color makes….that standard with an upgrade to the 223cc would be my choice, or the 249cc 4-valve Suzuki GN250 even better yet.

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Yeah, a huge difference.

I see some similarity in style with MZ TS.

http://www.vennbahn-buecherei.de/mzk...hi/ts250_1.jpg

Lets see how MZ TS looks with hot chicks.

http://images03.olx.com/ui/2/97/78/f_34468978_5.jpeg

I think there is a difference too :lol8:

Anyway I like the Minsk models and could certainly buy one.

Lets put one more MZ chick pic.

http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/mz-girl.jpg

Who can say she is not hot!

Ok. Having played with the bikes a bit, a couple clarifications.

GN250 engines are always 2 valve, no matter what. However, some variants have 2 exhaust ports on the head. Why? Who knows. That would be the GZ250 and the TU 250. The GZ250 has a carb, the TU250 has FI. Otherwise the engines are basically the same.

In China, when it comes to knockoffs, some engines are copies of the GN250, some are copies of a GN125 bored and stroked to 250 ccs. Therefore, some copies have 2 exhaust ports, others have one. Doesn't make any difference in the performance.