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CFMoto 650NK sport bike
Popped into a Beijing dealer and saw the new CF650 sitting there, in orange. Looked nice, if one is into sport bikes.
I only had my mobile phone for a crummy pic ...
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Here are some better pics of last year's prototypes:
http://www.xjmotobar.com/thread-30452-1-1.html
http://www.atvsports.cn/bbs/forum.ph...hread&tid=4582
Apparently, it is 36K (plus tax, fees, etc) and it can be registered in Beijing. However, it was the girl who sells the accessories who was answering my questions, so I'm not sure if she had all her facts right.
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er-6n replica, parallel-twin 650, claimed the engine reach same power as original. 36000RMB(confirm?) VS msrp USD 6699 (about 44000RMB)
My opinion only rich and young are likely to get one, but to trust 'Guochan' 650 engine, hmmm.
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Looks a bit suss to me! I liked the retro look of the old 'Leader' which I think was made by them, and would have got one if it had been available in more than 150cc here in Aus.
I hoped the thread title would show something like that but powered up. this one is all angles and not at all pleasurable to look at in my opinion. But then I don't know anything about sports bikes at all. What is that rear guard under the guard for?
I think if they were going to call it 'King Kong' as they have, it would have been good to see a 650cc powered dual sport developed in China. Like a KLR maybe but set up better?
I have been wondering about getting a road bike to tour Australia's many thousands of kilometers of tarmac and wouldn't be scared to try a cheap Chinabike, Will wait a bit longer though.
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I like it, it doesn't take my breath away but i want one anyway!
Not gonna happen though, not now that i'm moving west. Would be as useless as nice tits on a nun out there.
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Hmm, a Kawasaki ER6N is just what I'd be interested in, and a cheap one would be cool, I do however have a few problems with this entire concept:
It would stretch my budget so I'd have to be sure it was really good, not just OK, and I'm not sure. It's also bike which is basically a stolen concept, stealing work from Japanese companies is seems to practically state sponsored.
Will it leak oil? Is it properly bolted together? And how good are the parts? Have they really R&D'd this properly? They say they test a new bike model 20,000 kms, doesn't sound nearly like enough to me, I'd likely do that in the first year over all sorts of uneven terrain! QC good, OK or terrible? Compared to the original Kawasaki it has to be inferior, the shock, forks, brakes and tires to name a few, adequate? Probably. As good? Highly unlikely. Yet the price is biting at the heels of the real thing.
[RANT]The only reason that the bike is appealing in China is because the Chinese government blocks/overtaxes imports. On a level playing field you'd just buy a Kawasaki or better yet CBF600 or CBR600F or the many other choices, but you can't so you have to pay lots of money to the Chinese government, and help 'prop up' the industry of the country with the world's second largest GDP. It is also only appealing in other countries because of the artificially low value of the RMB.[/RANT] Jialing had help with their engine and EFI, and did some real R&D, so Kudos to them. This bike is breaking new ground for a Chinese manufacturer, Asiawing 'broke new ground' with their bikes, 'bad ground' that is by copying and slapping parts together without proper R&D.
It's a bike I clearly need to much much more about, preferably a review by someone familiar with a ER6N or at least middleweight road bikes, and some technical data about the parts. I don't mean a fawning Chinese review of someone who has no experience of riding these kind of bikes who rode it around the block!
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Did you get any pictures of the accessories girl??:naughty:
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Any idea if you can register this in Shanghai?! If so, I could be willing to be the guinea pig...
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The Kawasaki ER-6n (and Versys) is such a great bike and inexpensive here in the USA that I don't think you will see the CF Moto CF650 here.
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Bumping TOE's question! Anyone out there know about registerability of this bike? I'm not askin because i'm going to buy one soon, but because we could really use a guinea pig! This is one of the most interesting new china bikes so i would love it if someone on this forum owned one!
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Originally Posted by
felix
Anyone out there know about registerability of this bike?
Ms. Accessory (sorry, richardktm, no pics - next time, when my sweety isn't with me) told me it could be registered in Beijing (China 3 emissions). I'm back at that dealer later this week, and I'll ask Mr. Owner.
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Originally Posted by
richardktm
Did you get any pictures of the accessories girl??:naughty:
lol'd
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Originally Posted by
felix
Bumping TOE's question! Anyone out there know about registerability of this bike? I'm not askin because i'm going to buy one soon, but because we could really use a guinea pig! This is one of the most interesting new china bikes so i would love it if someone on this forum owned one!
Yeah, I'm interested in one myself! Please someone get one!
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http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/s...8032011121.jpg http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/s...8032011122.jpg
Found this bike at the shop on the corner of Qixin and Wuzhong in Shanghai today. Totally unsuitable for me as the passenger seating looks very uncomfortable. Oh yeh, and they want 40000 for it :bs::eekers::eek2:. What I find interesting is the off-centre rear monoshock, which just looks weird to me. This bike has been driven around a bit, and has some serious scratches on the left front fairing.
They also have the CFmoto 250 scooters here if anyone is interested, though no 250CC motorcycles to be seen. (Hoping to find a 250 naked street bike with a variant of the Suzuki motor for under 15000 in Shanghai. I need a new bike and am very leery of the parallel twin Honda motor.)
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I've been speaking to bike shop about the CF650. He reckons everyone he knows that has bought the bike, ended up selling it soon after and those who have ridden it only have bad things to say. Didn't get any specifics, but it was enough to put me off. The bike shop owner specialises in race bikes and has the retail licences for BMW and Sachs in Shanghai, so a pretty reliable source. Think it might be a YBR250 for me this summer instead.
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Found this bike at the shop on the corner of Qixin and Wuzhong in Shanghai today. Totally unsuitable for me as the passenger seating looks very uncomfortable. Oh yeh, and they want 40000 for it :bs::eekers::eek2:. What I find interesting is the off-centre rear monoshock, which just looks weird to me. This bike has been driven around a bit, and has some serious scratches on the left front fairing.
They also have the CFmoto 250 scooters here if anyone is interested, though no 250CC motorcycles to be seen. (Hoping to find a 250 naked street bike with a variant of the Suzuki motor for under 15000 in Shanghai. I need a new bike and am very leery of the parallel twin Honda motor.)
Did you enquire about taking the CF650 for a test ride? It'd be better to get some direct feedback than just some third hand misinformation.
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Nuhaus
(Hoping to find a 250 naked street bike with a variant of the Suzuki motor for under 15000 in Shanghai. I need a new bike and am very leery of the parallel twin Honda motor.)
Qingqi does not sell the bike in China?
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bikerdoc
Did you enquire about taking the CF650 for a test ride? It'd be better to get some direct feedback than just some third hand misinformation.
I haven't asked for a test drive for a long while in China. I asked about taking a Regal Raptor for a spin once a couple years ago but got laughed at. I was under the impression that this was common practice. Gotta ask Dewsnap if he ever took a DD250-G2N for a test spin at the Pubei Lu shops before he put the money down on one.
I don't have 40000 for a China bike. If I did I'd be looking at getting a JH600.
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culcune
Qingqi does not sell the bike in China?
Not that I can find in Shanghai, no.
I've found Shineray 250 sport bikes, but again the passenger seating looks crappy, also I'm just not a fan of the look of fairings on small bikes (and they can get busted up far too easily in my humble opinion).
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culcune
Qingqi does not sell the bike in China?
QingQi doesn't have anything other than some crappy 125/150cc farmer bikes. New Emission standards here appear to have thinned things out to the Jialing JH600, Yamaha YBR250 and some of the Regal Raptors.
Hoping others will share any info on other ≥200cc bikes if they find them.
Cheers!
ChinaV
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Nuhaus, never asked to take the Raptor for a test drive. Closest we got was seeing the mechanic riding his up and down Pubei Lu.
His is the red 2008/9 model and looks like shit.
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Update - was back at the CF-Moto dealer today.
According to the dealer, the CF650 can NOT be plated, yet, in Beijing. Maybe in the summer when CF Moto releases a "new version" (I've no idea what that is). Price will be at least 40K.
Interestingly, the dealer said to me, point blank "don't buy this bike, it isn't any good". Wow :eek2:
I've already bought 3 bikes from this dealer (though none for myself), and was taking sweety to buy a 4th, so I guess the dealer felt that a happy customer is a repeat customer ... hmmmm, a very unique experience in China.
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Did he say why it can't be plated yet in BJ? I assume that the bike in store is from the first production run, as was my CFMoto Jetmax, and with all credit to the company they (CFMoto) contacted my dealer to ask me to bring my bike back in so they could swap out some parts they'd since changed between the first production model and those produced in later models.
I'd be curious to know on what basis the dealer is advising against the CF650, after all they have only just hit the market, and if based on what he's saying they can't be licensed/plated up there in BJ, I'd hazard a guess that aren't too many around. - Just saying!
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No, he wasn't clear about the "why" it is "bu hao" - or maybe he was and my Chinese language skills suck!
I have a funny feeling he was telling me not to buy it because it can't be registered in Beijing, but the updated model could be. He knows I want plated bikes. And because he knows he has to talk to me like a baby ... he knew I'd understand "no good" :lol8:
Generally, I find CF Moto to provide a good product, especially its scoots like the Jetmax.
I think this new emissions rule has caught a few dealers with stock they are having difficulty clearing.
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I heard a rumor that the bike has a real Kawasaki ER-6 frame, and that CFmoto have some deal with Kawasaki on the frames. Not sure if this is true.
I always take opinions in China with a pinch of salt, they are generally formed from internet rumor not from any personal experience.
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Look at this:
http://www.cfmotoclub.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=79216
Supposed to be the new model 650NK fulfilling the China 3 emissions. As they announced, to be available at 37800, expected delivery time by June. There is a list of dealers.
CF Moto launched a promotion event at the Tian Ma circuit in Shanghai 2 weeks ago, as I understood:
http://www.cfmotoclub.com/bbs/viewth...extra=page%3D1
... and a press release from CF Moto website:
http://www.cfmoto.cn/Media_info.php?id=499
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Great update Macieq. Lots of eye candy on that second link. :thumbsup:
A couple of Beijing dealers have started advertising mid-June delivery.
Not a bad price, it seems. I don't really follow this style of bike, but my guess is it will be a big hit in Beijing. At least two thirds the illegal big bikes are sport bikes, selling for around this price. Hence, a legal bike will be more attractive to many.
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Lao Jia Hou
Great update Macieq. Lots of eye candy on that second link. :thumbsup:
A couple of Beijing dealers have started advertising mid-June delivery.
Not a bad price, it seems. I don't really follow this style of bike, but my guess is it will be a big hit in Beijing. At least two thirds the illegal big bikes are sport bikes, selling for around this price. Hence, a legal bike will be more attractive to many.
Couldn't agree more, nice bike (alternative) & some stunningly nice eye candy.
I also think that this is the beginning to where we'll start to see a few manufacturers move into manufacturing mid-sized engine motorcycles & scooters before not too long. If one does a search on Alibaba it would seem there are a few offerings >500cc that aren't sold or distributed on the mainland, likely due to certificate & compliance issues, though I'd also hasten to add that I'm weary of the quality of many. I'm happy to see CFMoto and Jialing offering mid-sized rides which will hopefully make a not too insignificant dent into the illegal bikes being bought into China, often with questionable pasts (e.g. stolen). The availability of larger displacement legal alternatives to the foreign brands and the enforced premium pricing they attract, might also assist in the longer term, in having some of the discriminatory rules/laws changed - for the better.
While I'm not really a enthusiast of sport-bike style of motorcycle, I'm actually tempted to buy a CFMoto CF650NK, simply because its;
a). available
b). legal
c). plate-able
d). affordable & cheaper than many of the illegals (take a look at enjoyshanghai bikes and auto classifieds)
e). technologically advanced
f). saleable
There is an rumour that CFMoto might also offer a 800cc cruiser end of this year or early 2012. I've tried to confirm this with my CFMoto contact, but while the question was acknowledged and kind of confirmed by the insider, I return to the standard operational concept here, TIC!
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I think this also says good things about the future of motorcycling in China. I don't think CFMoto would investing in this bike and the domestic market if they felt it were being choked off. Perhaps they know something?
Would be a great time to interview the heads of CFMoto to ask that question. With cities banning bikes left and right, and bikes effectively firewalled from most expressways, meaning these bigger bikes have little room to run, why launch this bike now?
cheers
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features a liquid-cooled,72HP, 650cc engine with parallel-twin cylinders, 8 valves,fuel injection and claims a top speed of over 180KM/H.
Really? 72hp is exactly what the ER6 makes, i wonder if they just copied and pasted.
Either way it seems like a nice bike and the price is pretty fair. I think it actually looks nicer than the kawa! Who's gonna be the guinea pig then?