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The wholesaler for Qingqi in the USA is a company in Richmond Virginia, they hold the EPA certificate for the following models:Qingqi QM250GY-2D, Qingqi QM250-2D, Qingqi QM250GY-B, Qingqi QM250GY-B(A)
The Certificate number is BDFRC.249GYB-001
Daifer Inc
Contact Information:
TEL: 804-231-5811
Fax: 804-231-5822
EMAIL:INFO@DAFIERUSA.COM
That is the the adventurer version of the sport bike (ROCK) and the sport bike, and and then the two variations of the dual sport 18x21(B) and 17x17 rims (b(A)).
Daifer is holding the conformity documentation for these 250cc Jinan Qingqi models and also all of the scooters as well for 2011, according to the EPA and the list that they publish on their website.
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Note: the first and last images have a 250cc engine and the second a smaller engine. However the models approved for import in the USA all have 250cc Suzuki engine designs, licensed for manufacturing by Jinan Qingqi through Suzuki Motor Company.
EPA certificates can be redundant, what I mean by that is others can also take the same path and submit the exact same model through EPA for testing again. The result would be two certificates and with different names on them for the exact same models. Examples exist of that scenario, the EPA certificate does not run with the manufacturer unless they own it, it follows the import company when they own it.
It’s interesting, because redundant conformity certificates only add costs and also reduce the profit margins per unit as in cutting the potential market share into sections.
There is a real market share for these models and theoretically more then one importer and or distributor of the exact same model only slices that potential total share and in that reduces the potential profit of each unit sold.
The redundant certificates only add costs to each unit and if two importer incurred the costs the cost per unit out of the manufacturer rises on all of them. That’s because each loose part of total sales and that is an inverse relationship unit cost fall with volume and rise with reduction in volume.
The cost of only one certificate over the entire potential market sales is the most efficient.
For any model to be distributed successfully it benefits by volume and prices fall if one entity has the entire share. Cheaper by the dozen….if split into half dozens distributed by more then one entity the cost per unit goes up and so do the prices. Selling more is better but not through multiple channels it only increases costs and also raises the probability of failure of each separated distributor. If they fail and the units get liquidated, they then come back to the market with discounted costs, they take a loss in value at liquidation. The bankruptcies are the direct result of flooding a market. Your competitions dies but they also will take you with them unless you can get access to all of their inventory. If you cannot then it will come back and under cut you in the market and you will also fail.
Unfortunately for the Chinese manufacturers they opened Pandora’s box, it is not only that they cannot shut it, they may not even as of yet realized they should. Only make what can be sold and it has to be sold through only one single channel.
I wonder what these guys are waiting for? I think this was the company I had called that is open for like 3 hours a day, and get all mad when they answer 'after hours' and it sounds like a home number. What a bunch of imbeciles if it is them!
They're probably waiting for QingQi to get off their ass and actually produce the above mentioned motorcycles.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Qingqi offers a one year factory warranty, then these guys only offer a six month warranty?
http://www.dafierusa.com/customer%20service.htm
http://www.qingqi.com.cn/en/aftersalesservice.aspx
That has a potential for warranty fraud, repairs made after six months could be charged back to the manufacturer without the customers knowledge. That or they refused the manufacturers warranty and requested a cost discount? Something is not right.
I like the longer warranty…obviously the 24month Qlink offers is ideal for customers but not to distributors, because it makes buying in the off season much more appealing as the warranty continues well into the ridding season and beyond into the next if its a 24 month. A six month is not, if you bought a bike in say December you could end up with less then a two month functional warranty, that makes people buy in the spring to make sure they do not get a lemon? But buyers in the spring/summer often pay top prices.
I would like to see the 250cc bikes sold through Victory/Polaris dealers, then those with all the scooters under the Peugeot name also. I would like to see them offer the 250cc models under the Sinnis brand name also, like they are in the UK.
Polaris / Victory / Sinnis / Peugeot.
That would leave a developmental line of mid range models within that open. I sent that idea to Jinan…and yes I can be sure it fell on deaf ears, so there is no need to tell me that.
I also know that they are already involved with Polaris to manufacture for them, so it is logical and timely.
Isn't there another UK company that has the Qingqi 200cc enduro/motard? :confused1:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I forgot about the 'Pulse' brand bikes in the UK--don't know if they have the 200cc version, but seem to have the 125 versions.
That's another one http://www.pulsemoto.co.uk/index.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by culcune
They have a 125cc restriction for new riders in the UK, so the 125cc are starters for everyone. So a 200cc would not sell as well.
It may be that the 250cc simply is not economical to sell in the USA? They may not be able to offer them for prices that they would sell at. They also may see the sales number of the 200cc as less then encouraging? Until models are sold under one brand and in larger dealers they probably will not ever get any serious sales and some think even then they would not sell that well. They have to be very low cost and represented in larger dealers and with double the warranty of other major brands. Even then they do not sell well…the flood of cheap bikes many of which still are online for sale linger like bad gas. Then people inevitably compare cheap to cheaper. It is a viscous cycle and it will likely will go on for a long time.
Sinnis is an experiment in the UK market and it is backed by Jinan….but their products market share there is still being shared across their own multiple brand names. Having more then one distributor increases the back end costs for all of those individual distributors, they simply loose the economy of scale, they compete against themselves.
A single channel is best and even better if selling other selected manufacturers brands through it also….but with very very strict quality control and diligent high quality parts and service standards. If they do not then they will never grow they will never get a critical volume level in sales needed to keep going.
I think a bigger problem is deciding where they should put their RMB. Considering Chinese bikes are more desirable in developing nations (where the RMB is still worth more) it would take some miracle for any one of them to commit the funds necessary to really compete in the US or similar markets. While we wish one of them will get some ballz and take the leap, they're not going to want to spend the money to actually support the marketing (which costs alot), store front and supply line necessary to push their own brand.
When Honda came to North America in the late 50's they opened their own office and hustled their asses off to provide quality innovative bikes while supporting dealers. Their success hinged largely on the fact that they quickly realized they needed to represent their bikes and a hip (for the time) lifestyle choice and personal statement...not something to move 100 lbs of vegetables to the market. Like water dripping on a rock, it eventually worked and only 20-30 years down the line, the big 4 had just about pushed all the other makers out of existence.
Just my .02
CC
125's are for 17 years and above and if you do not have a full motorcycle license, i have heard of superbyle trying to get the 250cc legal to UK requirements a year ago and now sinnis aka the uk name for qingqi are trying as well any 250 is welcomed as that market has been a VIP club for a while as not everyone after a 125 do there test and need a superbike instantly
If your under 21 then you must pass a test on a 75cc-125cc. With that you get an A1 license or the (A) license, which is a full license and requires passing a test on a bike at least 120cc, but no larger then 125cc and with no more power then 14.6hp. You can take that test and once passed, then you can go out and get any motorcycle with up to 33hp and a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kw/kg.
You could buy a cheap 125 and take a test on it, then go out and get a more powerful bike, also, at 21 years of age or over, they can just take a test and get a license to ride any bike.
There is a market for 250cc bikes in the UK, it would be the bike to ride for two years, the compulsory period before being eligible to get to unlimited, without being tested.
i would of loved to have gotten a 250 after passing my license but the style i was looking for supermoto's yamaha was charging way to much the KLX250 only comes as a enduro honda lacking in this field meant i just stuck to my 125 and upped uts power to compete im 10bhp down but for half the capacity i cant complain with the cheaper insurance costs
Average personal individual income in the UK is over that of the average income in the USA.
$32,448.00(20,800GBP) compared to $28,565.00(18,365GBP).
12% higher…..average personal income in the UK.
Price of a Honda CBR250 in the UK: $6,162.04(3,950.00GBP)
Price of a Honda CBR250 in the US : $3,999.00(2,563.45GBP)
35% higher in price.
You can also look at GDP per capita, then you would see that in the USA it is higher then in the UK.
Roughly 47,000 USD to 36,600.00USD, that is all incomes earned divided over the population. That demonstrate wealth, in that the higher the number the more income earned over all. But it also demonstrates disparity in that reveals less “have not’s” then “haves” or it could be referred to as eschewed, as in wealth is shrinking in its count and that lower incomes are expanding or you could say wealth is more evenly distributed in the UK. When the personal income, on the average, is closer to the per capita income, it means it is spread out evenly or more evenly.
Consider Brazil and its GDP per capita being $10,100USD
And then the price of a CB300R there….$6,527.00 then the CG125 sells for $2,900.00
So the Chinese are doing what? Building assembly plants in Brazil? They should be and they are and they will be making very small and affordable models. If there are people buying the CB300R in Brazil that demonstrates horrible income disparity, in that those that have are really eschewed above the average in the population. If those models are imported then really no value is added to the economy, so Brazil demands at least assemble if not make them here.
From my position I would like to see students coming to the USA to learn, in cooperatives to learn how to develop processes. But also to be involved in larger global models that consider all these variables In that also find ways to stabilize developed economies, like the one in my own nation.
Within all this is that of the lowest denominator, that being the lowest working income and it meeting the cost of living at that level, in that, in part is transportation.
The mayor of London, Boris Johnson earns 250,000.00 pounds a year on the side for writing. He claims that income as “chicken feed”….well then I think I must be doing my writing for Chicken excrement’s? What does Boris Johnson write about? How to get rich? How to stay rich? How to keep them quite?