强制报废期止 or mandatory scrapping deadline

Question came up as a friend want to buy a used Yamaha Scooter from 1999.

I read from euphonius that his bike Jialing 600 has an 强制报废期止 - mandatory scrapping deadline of 11 years.
Checked my bike has 13 years, a XY250-GY2 - registered in Yunnan/Kunming in 2010.

Anybody any idea why is it different, by model, city, year of registration...What do you guys got? Lets see if we can make somethin out of it to understand the local setting better...here is for an starter:

13 years - Shineray XY250-GY2; Registration 05/2010; Kunming/Yunnan

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Originally Posted by andre555

...13 years - Shineray XY250-GY2; Registration 05/2010; Kunming/Yunnan

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Depends region it's 8-10 yr + 3 yr (延缓报废) http://baike.baidu.com/view/2709362.html
That last 3 yr need half yearly visits "offical" :mwink:. http://www.wuhai.gov.cn/inforead/rea...B2%BF&id=10978
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TiC When deadline comes -Ride it illegally - Stamp another "vin" & registered as new in some "remote" places :lol8:

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

When deadline comes -Ride it illegally - Stamp another "vin" & registered as new in some "remote" places :lol8:

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Haha, that's why this country is still fun to live in!

My XTR250 got 12 years, registered in 2009 in nanjing.

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

TiC When deadline comes -Ride it illegally - Stamp another "vin" & registered as new in some "remote" places :lol8:

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Originally Posted by felix

Haha, that's why this country is still fun to live in!

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And also why it can p#@s you off :lol8::lol8::lol8:

This is all very informative news, I've learned a ton of new things from this website. Does anyone know if the mandatory scrapping deadline also applies to cars, and if so, what the rules and time limits are?

I'd be very curious to know what the deal is here. It sure looks like the government prefers to scrap vehicles when they reach a pre-determined 'age limt'. This is consistent with many other things about China, i.e. new buildings quickly becoming old buildings, demolished, rebuilt, etc. Same thing with road construction, new roads become old roads in a few years, they get torn up, reconstructed etc.

So I'm wondering how long the period is before the mandatory scrapping deadline for cars, and what happens when they scrap the cars -- if indeed that rule applies?

My car is 13 years and my motorcycle is 13 years, both with Guangdong registration. The roads seem to last about 3-5 years, houses about 10-15, apartment buildings maybe 20-30. Those fancy govt buildings made of polished marble look as though they will be around for a while though. :lol8:

Cheers!
ChinaV

I think they don't scrap vehicles. A soon as cars reached their "mandatory" scrapping date, they will be sold to the next lower level city / province. This will be repeated until the car dissolves naturally.

The black Santana species is almost extinct in Beijing, has been very popular in Shijiazhuang in the last couple of years and can be seen more an more often in remote counties of Western Yunnan. Next, they will be shipped to Africa.

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I think they don't scrap vehicles. A soon as cars reached their "mandatory" scrapping date, they will be sold to the next lower level city / province. This will be repeated until the car dissolves naturally.

The black Santana species is almost extinct in Beijing, has been very popular in Shijiazhuang in the last couple of years and can be seen more an more often in remote counties of Western Yunnan. Next, they will be shipped to Africa.

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By that logic, I would think you should have a picture of some in Mahuangyu :lol8:

Cheers!
ChinaV

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...black Santana species is almost extinct in Beijing, has been very popular in Shijiazhuang in the last couple of years and can be seen more an more often in remote counties of Western Yunnan. Next, they will be shipped to Africa.

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非营运9座(含)以下客车报废年限为15年。最初的6年内每2年审验1次，之后为1年1审，使用年限超过1 5年后，每半年审验1次，能通过审验即可无限延期，签注至2099年12月31日
"Private" < or = 9 seater don't had REAL "mandatory" scrapping date :lol8:. Those half yearly check after 15 yrs is just a joke in "remote" places.

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Originally Posted by ChinaV

By that logic, I would think you should have a picture of some in Mahuangyu :lol8:

Cheers!
ChinaV

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http://www.netbiker.de/modules/bbsmi...auto/rofl2.gif

They should or may eventually develop variances on the scrapping law, for instance stored and in like new or excellent condition. Eventually someone will address that in the future…the time lines are very long over a decade. I'd say eventually it will get addressed, when an individual is forced to scrap what is obviously collectable.

There are many variances in other legal systems, the Chinese will eventually if not already develop some. It's just a petitioning processes that bring closer consideration to exceptions to existing laws.

Seems some changes coming up with China Vehicle Regulations (Mandatory Scrapping Period)....


http://www.gov.cn/jrzg/2013-01/14/content_2311822.htm
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...rCNZKyZr4xKaqg

http://www.chinalaw.gov.cn/article/c...00350515.shtml
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Zqj6RLdur_EmzA

What I can't understand is how a mianbaoche can have a 13 year lifespan, whereas and imported beemer gets 13 years too. Surely a BMW could last a lifetime if you maintained it properly, whereas the average mianbaoche should be scrapped at about 7 years, because they are just garbage.

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http://www.chinalaw.gov.cn/article/c...00350515.shtml
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Zqj6RLdur_EmzA

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Did I read that right? You get 12 million meters for a motorcycle? Which is 12,000 kms? So we have to throw away our motorcycle at the end of each year and buy a new one? Which retread made these rules?

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12万 = 120k 千米=km

九）正三轮摩托车行驶10万千米，其他摩托车行驶12万千米。

Humanbeing is right. It's 100,000 km sidecars and for 120,000 km for motorbikes. Damn these vexing Chinese numerical units!

Cheers

I understood, that there is now no scrappage age for cars, providing they pass all the tests every year.

Akin to the UK MOT.
If eventually it can't pass, or too expensive to make it pass, then off it go's to scrap.

Gra

OK, in English there is no word for 'wan' meaning Google translate gets confused. Anyhow a hardcore rider on a bigger machine could easily do 120,000 kms in 5 years. Meaning their bike would then fail mandatory inspection? 万万

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

OK, in English there is no word for 'wan' meaning Google translate gets confused. Anyhow a hardcore rider on a bigger machine could easily do 120,000 kms in 5 years. Meaning their bike would then fail mandatory inspection? 万万

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http://politics.people.com.cn/n/2013...-20196646.html
第七条国家对达到一定行驶里程的机动车引导报废
"引导" is the key point :lol8: ie It's NOT 強制
High mileage 125 (Need piston/ring at 2??k) http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...authorid=73022

第四条 已注册机动车有下列情形之一的应当强制报废，其所有人应当将机动车交售给报废机动车回收拆解企业，由报废机动车回收拆解企业按规定进行登记、拆解、销毁等处理，并将 报废的机动车登记证书、号牌、行驶证交公安机关交通管理部门注销：

第七条 机动车达到下列行驶里程，以及自愿报废的机动车，其所有人可以将机动车交售给机动车回收拆解企业，由报废机动车回收拆解企业按规定登记、拆解、销毁，并将报废的机动车登 记证书、号牌、行驶证交公安机关交通管理部门注销：

Therein lies the difference. If your bike is 13 years old you MUST take it to a scrapper to have it turned into a cube. If your bike has done more than 120,000 KMs you CAN get it scrapped but I'm assuming that you also have the option to keep riding it until it reaches the 13-year limit.

There's nothing in that text that allows you to keep a bike on the road beyond the 13-year mandatory scrapping deadline. They are slowly introducing a second mileage-related lever for forcing bikes off the road. Right now it's voluntary, but we should all be watching how this evolves.

Above all, these rules are being made by bureaucrats, and without public hearings or other transparent disclosures we are left only to guess as to how they come up with these "use-by" durations. Give a bureaucrat the power to say "no" and guess what? They say "no."

Are you sure Pete? The underlying Chinese theme I keep coming up against is being unreasonable. Bike bans, ride your bike on the sidewalk, blocking half the internet, getting upset if someone says you don't actually own half of the entire Asia pacific region. Forced scrapping on 120,000 kms would seem to follow the 'unreasonable rule made by poorly endowed insecure bureaucrat' theme. :lol8:

I'm just translating what it says and right now it doesn't seem like they are going to force bikes off the road at 120,000 kms. They've also got these mileage recommendations for basically all commercially operated vehicles now but to lump bikes into this category isn't very fair in my opinion. But then again in China you see "no motorcycles between 0900 and 2200" signs next to very similar signs for trucks. I can sort of understand the thinking behind this. It's the idea that commercially operated vehicles and motorcycles are all old bangers that spew blue smoke everywhere and in China that is often the case.

My concern is that if you exceed 120,000 on your bike, you may start to have trouble passing annual inspections.