Shineray Long March or Jialing 250?

Hello,

I have just moved to Chong Qing and after reading the reports on the Shineray Long march, I am fairly certain this is the bike I want.

However, I have just taken my theory test today (which I failed) and was having a look round the numerous bike shops around the testing centre. I came across a Jialing 250cc off-road (similar the following http://cncqjiapeng.en.alibaba.com/pr...4/JP250GY.html

only difference to the picture with what I saw is that it has front and rear disk brakes). Anyhow they wanted 5000 rmb for it, plus they said they would fit a bigger fuel tank.

Does anyone have a 250 Jialing - and is it any good? Is it going to be endless problems or is it a good buy? It considerably cheaper than the Long March and a slightly bigger engine.

Any thoughts would be fantastic.

Also, assuming I do pass my theory test and get my license -could anyone give me any advice as what to check when buying a new bike? Basic checks things like that. I have had 2 MZ150s in the past, but that was in Vietnam 10 years ago and has been the extent of my motorbiking knowledge.

Anyone in the Chong Qing area?

Thanks,

Raph

Dont know about that jialing 250, it looks like a bigger engined version of the ubiquitous 150 dirt bike they make called 'baicai'. Jialing generally make a decent bike and parts should be easy to find.
Try to find more info on that engine, see if it's actually made by jialing.

You won't be able to get it registered though due to the new C3 emissions laws in china.

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Dont know about that jialing 250, it looks like a bigger engined version of the ubiquitous 150 dirt bike they make called 'baicai'. Jialing generally make a decent bike and parts should be easy to find.
Try to find more info on that engine, see if it's actually made by jialing.

You won't be able to get it registered though due to the new C3 emissions laws in china.

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That's probably why they're trying to get rid of it. 5k is definitely not the original price. Before C3 emissions, I was quoted 13k for the same bike brand new in the show room but the bike was a 2009 model. The dealer said the original price was 16k.
You don't have much choice for China bikes now. http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...missions-rules
have a look.

Many thanks for the advice - this might sound stupid but I noticed on the Jialing it had a sticker which said it was a 150, although the dealer assured me it was a 250 - do they do this so it can be registered?

I am going back to retake the theory next Thursday so will find out more about the bike.

If you can somehow pass the bike off as a 150, which we're told can be registered despite non-compliance with C3, and hence get a stealth 250 for 5k rmb, sounds like a good deal. Make sure that the dealer takes responsibility for registration and plating, and don't pay in full until the deal is done. Could be a nice little windfall.

Have no idea about that bike, though I do recall a recent post showing there's a guy in Shanghai who has one he rents out. Or was that a Jialing 150? Guess you could ring him.

for 5000, buy two. I'll buy one and sell off my bike(red Shineray long march). Provided the bike can be registered. I'm serious, count me in if the deal is clean. Sounds alot less work than replacing my engine and saddle. Man, this would be the best birthday present ever. If they try to out on a new tank, try to find the same tank on the Shineray Long march, it crashes well :D..
Also, check the VIN number plate. You will find it on the head tube, right behind the headlight. It should tell you what year it was produced. Take a few photos too.. man, you reall got me excited. I'm already planning to go to Chongqing.

The other much better choice for a 250 would be the Galaxy XTR. I wonder if they can help getting the bike registered :S

http://cq.ganji.com/motuoche/11032017_167611.htm

This seems fairly similar to the one I saw, except the rear brake

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http://cq.ganji.com/motuoche/11032017_167611.htm

This seems fairly similar to the one I saw, except the rear brake

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that's a 150 in the pic. If you get good pics of the bike, and a closeup of the engine, someone here could probably figure out if it's a 150 or a 250.

Someone call me out if i'm wrong, but i think that's the same Loncin 223cc engine that's in the Galaxy XTR250.

The bike in the previous posts has been sold. However over the past week I have been looking round the bike market area in Chong Qing and have found a second hand Long March, which has a zongshen 250cc engine. I have a couple of questions:

Firstly, I ragged it around for 10 minutes and the engine got really hot. Ive ridden a fair few bikes before and wouldnt have thought it should have got this hot in such a short time - any thoughts?

Secondly, regarding the registration the guy selling it wants to do a 协议 - 'an agreement', which means its still in his name, but theres a document which says if I break any traffic laws its my responsibility. I have no experience of this, it sounds fairly dodgy.

Thirdly, it has Sichuan plates, and I am in Chong Qing - do you think this a problem?

The guy wants 6500rmb for it. I am also thinking of getting the WonJan 250 (15000rmb) to do a trip to XingJiang. I have test ridden it and it seemed smooth, and I am looking for something reliable. Thoughts over what would be better?

Any suggestions would be much appreciated

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You can buy the Long March new for 8800 rmb. why buy a dodgy used bike for 6500? lots of people own bikes under other people's names, but there's less and less reason to do so. wouldn't you prefer to have your bike properly registered in your own name in Chongqing where you live? It is a handsome bike, however. On the other hand, Slabo would probably steer you away from that bike, if you have alternatives.

You live in china's motorcycle capital -- surely you can find a great deal on a great bike and buy it outright! Have you made any factory visits?

cheers

I wouldn't get any bike second hand unless probably from one of the members here on this forum. The Long March has a lot of problems, but I would never call it unreliable. It should do a alot more even though it's a 200cc. A lot of my problems are because I'm here in Kunming and can never find any parts for the bike. But you're in Chongqing!! Home of all chinabikes.. If you spend 8800 for the shineray and have plenty more money to spend on extras.

If you're thinking about buying a second hand bike have a look at this manual. Print it and head off to check the bike.

Hot engine? Mine only got hot enough to notice on hot summer days after riding hard up rough terrain. But again, my bike has the original engine, and everything stock from the factory. Shineray bikes have Shineray engines, this bike you're posting surely looks like a DIY project.

Many thanks for the advice - Problem is I went to the Shineray factory last week money in hand to get a new one but was told after a lot of inquiring that you couldnt register this bike anymore. Hence why I was considering a 2nd hand already registered one. I have decided not to buy it (the seller was dodgy as hell, had obviously just been in a fight among other reasons) - but any thoughts on bikes that can be registered and are something similar to the Long March? I am considering the WonJan 250, but rather expensive, 15000rmb. I'm visiting the factory next week.

Also I've asked around about registering but get told different stories every time, I think mainly due to the fact that I am foreigner. I gather it depends on what the bike is and its size and its not just one price? What are the procedures?

Again many thanks for the advice - really helpful.

I think that would be good choice the WJ250GY it is at least worth looking into.

I do not know if this site and its inquiry system has any value…but it also would not hurt to inquire through it.

http://www.chinamotorworld.com/viewp...=7577&ty=4&cy=

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...-WJ-250GY-.jpg

here is some more for the WY250GY
http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buye...356582496.html

I would inquire with as many people as you can that can or are offering the motorcycle for sale.
For prices and also registration process, then compare that info.

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I think that would be good choice the WJ250GY it is at least worth looking into.

I do not know if this site and its inquiry system has any value…but it also would not hurt to inquire through it.

http://www.chinamotorworld.com/viewp...=7577&ty=4&cy=

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...-WJ-250GY-.jpg

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Fine looking bike. Please, in the name of god and all that is holy, China begin to manufacture EU compliant bikes again asap!

Dear Raph,

Have you been up to the Jialing factory yet? They have a little showroom with all their bikes and people who can answer all your questions, and you might also score a tour of the factory as well. Their site currently does not list any 250cc bikes, but there is a nice 150cc enduro/dual sport.

http://jialing.com.cn/newjl/admin/pr...160429_190.jpg

Looks like that could be a lot of fun.

Visiting the showroom is also the best way to find out what they are planning in the way of new models and upgrades, and learning which bikes can be registered.

As for factory visits -- these are pretty rare and definitely worthy of reports here in MCM. You mentioned that you'll visit the Wonjan factory this week. Please take pictures if you can, as a ton of questions, and enlighten all of us with a factory visit report! Who knows, you might get yourself some work freelancing for bike magazines if you can make a habit of this...

best thanks!

That would be great if you could take photos of the visit to the factory.

WonJan has quite a few models it will be interesting to here if the 250GY can be registered. It is kind of a FUGLY bike...I wonder if they are reliable as in well but together?

Here are all their dual sports....they have a 150 that has the same utilitarian appeal as the Shineray Long March.

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but any thoughts on bikes that can be registered and are something similar to the Long March?

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5038/...fe41c74e_z.jpg
2505 by johnnyfast, on Flickr

you might want to consider this bike

assembled in chongqing, sold on taobao, less than 6000 and can be registered in my city, not sure about there .

built like a brick outhouse and apart from the garish color of the wheels and bars not too fugly

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9416978032&

link to the vendor

he seems pretty straight up , delivered on time , no extra charge and everything as advertised.

he is in chongqing so you could probably just go see him

@slabo wouldnt that be something to update your bike - is the frame of the frankenbike similar to your GY7?
Probably this supplier can update your bike easily.

Interesting! A generic 250 enduro. Surely, if you were able to register it in Yangzhou, Jiangsu, it's got a manufacturer's plate and VIN. That tank and front/rear racks looks a lot like the Shineray's. Wonder if these are falling off the back of Shineray delivery truck?

Slabo, what do you think? Is that a FrankenLongMarch?

cheers

quite a few differences from a long march actually

inverted forks and ali triple clamps for a start

sure differences, main question is the frame - same same ma?

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quite a few differences from a long march actually

inverted forks and ali triple clamps for a start

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Yes, can see that. At the same time it's hard to imagine some guy making these bikes all by hisself in his garage. There must be huge supplies of every imaginable part readily available in Chongqing, which are used to manufacture all the major bikes, so Dr Frankenstein does have a lot of limbs to work with. Interesting that he's opted to leave it unbranded, but, as I said, there's got to be manufacturer's information on the VIN plate riveted to the steering head. In fact, the VIN number alone will reveal the manufacturer's identity.

Zhu, how about a picture of your VIN plate, to help us sleuth this mystery!?!

cheers

The picture of the WJ250GY is an older version they made changes to the model, the new version has USD forks and a revised seat.

http://en.wonjan.cn/Pic_list.aspx?id=74&parent=52http://img.blog.163.com/photo/ocExN2...8051800034.jpg
http://en.wonjan.cn/Pic_list.aspx?id=74&parent=52http://en.wonjan.cn/Pic_list.aspx?id=74&parent=52

I do not like the two into one exhaust on the WJ250GY, I would like to see it with two mufflers and routed on both sides and the chrome is not needed could be black. I do not like the gold anodized forks and bars to me it does nothing for the bike, would be better black and the white fork guards stick out like a sore thumb. I also think those modifications and a set of 17” street tires would make the bikes appeal go up to many. I also never have seen it in any other colors then red and green. It would look good in white and also black…if they re-routed the exhaust then they could add a good frame/engine guard which would look good on that bike, the curve in the second exhaust line looks awkward and threatens to break off at the manifold if hit hard on hill or dip in a trail, which would probably be unlikely and easy to avoid but still it draws the eyes to it and not in a good way.

I would not assume the WJ is not willing to make revisions to that model, particularly if its engine meets C3 emission standards. I'd say if it does modifying or improving on the model could bring it additional sales. It has a decent engine with respectable output.

that is definitely a frankenbike. Not much to relate to the original bike. One thing about the Long March is that I still don't see any rust. After 15 months, still not a spec of rust except on the exhaust pipe. All the bolts and the still have the original color. Looking at zhu's bike, I don't see any rust protection on the bolts, it's worth taking care of that early one. what are those bolts made of? Galvanized steel?

What do I need to fix on my bike? Engine is seriously underpowered. But instead of putting in a Zhongshen, I'd like a 233 aircooled Loncin .. I asked yesterday at the market, should cost me 2k all together for the transplant. I'll do it when I come back, that's next year.

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/113_106/186_27/frame.jpg

Zhu is right though, whatever I change on the bike, it still has that wobbly frame underneath. My bike doesn't feel very stable going around the bends when I hit speeds of +90km/h. Tires perhaps? That would make a difference. Comparing my Long march to a Galaxy, the galaxy feels much lighter.

http://www.contactdi.com/2009/galaxy/XTR014.jpg

How can I weigh my bike ? Registration says dry weight is 144kg! The Galaxy XTR 250 is 115. Clearly the Long march has no relation to dirtbikes.

So changing the engine and tires would make a better touring bike, but

Anyway, not selling the bike, I've decided to keep it as a learning project. Got me some tools but I'll just do small jobs for now, more when I come back next year..

What can I get from this seller, Mr Franken maker? Forks, and a different engine are not what I'm looking for right now.

Zhu, how does your Frankenstein bike feel at 5th gear speeds?