The first two Jialing Jh600(B) are now in Europe!!!!!

Dear Dual Sport-ers,

From what I read in this forum, the almost impossible came true: on Wednesday August 24th the two Jialings we have ordered in April were delivered to The Netherlands in perfect order!

One Jialing JH600B and one JH600 (black, 2011 model) have been bought by our little company to serve as showroom and demo-machines.

From what we know so far, these must be the very first two Jialing JH600(B) on the european continent, so it looks like this is kind of a historic event.... :mwink:

Packaging quality was fine and with quite some work, the bikes could be rolled out of their crates.

Because we wanted to show the JH600B at a big european sidecar event last weekend, I had to put it into working order still. But, that proved to be an easy job. All parts to get it up and running were found in the box and after an hour or so, it was turned on, all electric functions worked and the engine fired up right away. Obviously after filling the tank with a couple of liters of gas.

The reactions during the european sidecar event were very positive and we had a lot of work on the Trade Fair Lane to answer all the questions and show off the JH600B with short demos of its outstanding turning and reverse driving abilities.

Not only we, but also the visitors admired the high quality of workmanship and finishing of the JH600B (and the JH600 is just like that). This hardcore sidecar audience is used to sidecar units priced well above 20.000 Euros and much more, so more then once people were "flabbergasted" hearing the selling price being well below 10.000 Euros.

Some pics can be found below.

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Next stop is to get them licensed!

Regards,

Bart Sanders
MOTORWERK
http://www.motorwerk.nl

Dear Bart,

Congratulations on a very gutsy move! So far as any of us can tell, the only reason Jialing is not exporting the 600 series is that despite being one of the world's biggest motorcycle makers they are a state-owned enterprise that is utterly inept at marketing and would have no idea how to develop, test and support a bike in Europe or anywhere else, including even China.

This is the big difference between China today and Japan back when Honda was rewriting the rules in America and Europe. Japan understood marketing and competition. China basically only understands how to make stuff for others.

Which leaves the market to smart guys like you!

Good luck with this toe-hold in what could become a very appreciative market!

cheers

Hi Bart

Congratulations on your success getting the JH600s to the Netherlands! One of your countrymen is here in Beijing, rides a JH600, and is becoming quite knowledgeable about the bike. Are you reading this Barry?

I also own both the JH600 and the JH600B and have done several modifications (as have others on this site). Presently, I am communicating with an American company about designing a "plug & play" onboard fuel management system for the Bosch EFI (a weakness of these models).

They are both good bikes (with some Chinese characteristics) and I believe you will be tapping into a huge market with the "B". I've owned the "B" predecessor (CJ750), and although the CJ750 looks "cool", the CJ750 is notoriously unreliable. In my opinion, the "B" is a fun bike, and certainly a real dual-sport 3-wheeler. And, in China, it is legal.

Again, congratulations!

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Nice bike, pls let us know how is the bike's performance.

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Originally Posted by Kot

...Nice bike, pls let us know how is the bike's performance.

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Dear Kot,

There's a ton of information on this bike here in MCM. Here are all the threads with JH600 in the title...

cheers!

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

And, in China, it is legal.

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Nope, we checked with a CJ / JH600B dealer last Sunday and the Jialing JH600B sidecar rigs can not be plated in Shanghai....

Ride safe, PAL

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Originally Posted by Pal

Nope, we checked with a CJ / JH600B dealer last Sunday and the Jialing JH600B sidecar rigs can not be plated in Shanghai....

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Dear Pal,

This is true, but we (wishfully) think it's temporary, due mainly to the lack of a precedent and the lack of supporting documents from hapless Jialing, which recently (and inexplicably) sacked its entire marketing department.

There is actually no dealer for any of the JH600 models here in Shanghai; we buy them directly from the factory, with the help of a facilitator here named Liu Zhidong (刘志东). Liu has a contract with Jialing for warranty service, but does not pretend to be a dealer, nor does Fan Peisheng (范配圣), the CJ750 repair guy in Honggu Lu who helps Liu with JH600 service.

Last time I asked Liu about plating of the JH600B in Shanghai, about a month ago, he said that efforts were being made with the Shanghai Vehicle Management Bureau and they expect a positive outcome, but in the interim they are encouraging buyers to plate in Huzhou or other nearby cities in Zhejiang. Not ideal, but it would be wrong to say they can't be plated in China.

In fact, the JH600 and JH600B are widely registrable across China, at least in cities that permit motorcycles. I think Shanghai is an exception and, as noted above, hopefully a temporary one.

cheers!

Yeah, it seems to be incumbent upon the manufacturer (e.g. Jialing) to do the paperwork in the major cities. My "B" has a legal Hebei plate, insurance etc.

Anyways, let's hope Bart is successful in the NL - it would be great if these bikes had a wider exposure.

How much does that motorcycle vary from the original Cagiva Canyon?
Jialing could take it back to the original and also manufacture a version with that same styling with a 250cc water cooled engine, the NX250, they have no continuity in their line. They could also make some with that styling with the 223cc air cooled engine as well and go for a lower cost line of adventure bikes.

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Originally Posted by MJH

How much does that motorcycle vary from the original Cagiva Canyon?
Jialing could take it back to the original and also manufacture a version with that same styling with a 250cc water cooled engine, the NX250, they have no continuity in their line. They could also make some with that styling with the 223cc air cooled engine as well and go for a lower cost line of adventure bikes.

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Dear MJH,

Nice call on the Cagiva Canyon -- she's a dead ringer!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oN7agvHDId...%282001%29.jpg

I've long wondered whether there was an Aprilia Pegaso in the design lab at Jialing...

http://www.aprilia.com/assets/256/pe...ed_406x375.jpg

Now I'm wondering if there's any common lineage between the Canyon and the Pegaso (and the JH600).

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/jialin...%20Jialing.jpg

cheers

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Dear Kot,

There's a ton of information on this bike here in MCM. Here are all the threads with JH600 in the title...

cheers!

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Thanks, I will have to read other post on this bike even this bike will never import to my area. She is really nice.
Kot

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Fan Peisheng (范配圣), the CJ750 repair guy in Honggu Lu who helps Liu with JH600 service.

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we checked with him a while ago, he can not register the JH600B sidecar rigs in Shanghai, ride safe, PAL

And here are some pics of my first ride-out with our brand new Jialing JH600 in black finish.

Question: is there one type of finish-design each year? Personally I like the black one with silver colored frame even better. But, I guess we have to take what is put into the crate.... :thumbsup:

It was only a short drive to test everything before we go to the road licensing authority tomorrow. But, the first 30km are on the clock and it drives nice. Good handling and easy gear-switching. The engine sounds a bit rough, but it revs up good up to the allowed 4.500 max. during breaking in.

Regards!

Bart Sanders

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Hi Bart - your black bike is a popular color choice. Here are a couple of pics of mine.

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These side boxes are made in China, retailing with mounts for about 400 Euros. Good quality, except for the locks. Also available in black (a bit more expensive), and also available in a thin profile (less capacity) for a bit less money.

The top box is a popular Chinese brand (Adlo). Retails for about 15 Euros. Lockable, and plastic hinges. Average Chinese quality.

The hand guards are plastic with a strong aluminum frame. Finished with the "carbon fiber look" they match the black/silver JH600. Retails for about 8 Euros.

Good luck with your inspection / licensing.

My JH600 also ran a bit rough during break-in. Runs ok now with 6000 kms.

Dear Bart,

Your Jialing looks right at home on a lovely Dutch country road. By the way, where do you go to find mountain roads in Holland?

Can't wait to see the B in the civilized Dutch wild!

cheers!

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Originally Posted by Bart Sanders

Question: is there one type of finish-design each year?

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It seems that there have been three color choices since the beginning: red, blue or black. One MCM member has a military flat green JH600, but that seems to be a one-off.

Pre-2010, the bike's graphics have been solid lines. 2010 and beyond have the spotted graphics like yours. The 2011 JH600 apparently has an added "A" to the side cover (it now reads JH600-A), but that also might not be standardized. Jailing seems to have some unique customization features. My 2010 JH600, for example, has a large Jailing brand name on its windscreen, but I have not seen that on other 2010 models.

Here is a pic of my "B". I had the bucket's windscreen custom made (about 80 Euros). It is a thick plexiglass, molded to shape. Works very well, but I would make a few adjustments if I was to do it again.

The bucket's side step was also custom made (about 10 Euros in chrome). This is a very good option for the passenger, as bucket entry/exit can be awkward without it.

Finally, I mounted large wind protectors over my grips. These large protectors are popular in China. They provide protection from wind (good when cold, bad when hot), but little hand protection in a fall-over (not a concern with the B). A big problem with these large hand protectors on the B is that the right-side grip deflects wind directly onto the head of the bucket passenger. For that reason, as well as my personal preference for the wind cooling my hands on hot days, I have removed them.

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Congratulations on the new bikes. Get some spare swing arm rubbers, or have some better quality ones reproduced! My bike has almost 23.000 km on it now, I know through the dealer that the previous owner replaced it once already. I have already replaced it twice now, so the bike is on its 4th rubber now. Here a picture of the previous one I replaced:

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You're joking right Euphonius, mountains in The Netherlands! There's a hill of 323 meters in my province, that's the highest location in our country! One will need to head to Germany/Belgium to find something that resembles a mountain.

Dear Barry,

Unbelievable that you've swapped out your swingarm rubber four times! But equally unbelievable that you've long surpassed 20k km! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

In all seriousness, the swingarm rubber is a real hazard, as Motokai knows best. His came free at speed somewhere on Shanghai's Inner Ring Road, and apparently got sucked through the small space where the chain goes around the engine sprocket. Had it jammed in there, causing the back wheel to lock, the outcome could have been far worse than the momentary shock that Motokai received. Fortunately he's a good bike handler and kept it upright.

Our after-sales support guys have taken to supergluing the rubber in place, but that's a suboptimal kludge and something I hope Jialing's designers are taking seriously. Yeah, right. :pigsfly2::pigsfly2::pigsfly2:

One minor annotation to Lao Jia Huo's mention of the Tourfella panniers. They apparently are no longer available in black. Du Rui said it was a difficult and costly process to do, with a lot of material wasted. He did suggest wrapping them in that self-adhesive carbon fiber wrap (碳纤维贴纸)...

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As for inclines, perhaps climbing from many meters below sea level up to merely sea level, not to mention several hundred meters above, is, well, better than no incline at all! Enjoy the scenery!

cheers!

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By the way, where do you go to find mountain roads in Holland?

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Hi Euphonius, are you suggesting that we do not have hills in The Netherlands???? :eek2:

True, almost.

Some 70 km to the south from where we live there is a very nice landscape with long rolling hills building the start of the Ardennes and it's still Holland! From there you drive into the Ardennes in Belgium or into the Eifel in Germany, all within say a 50 km radius. The Ardennes become real - though very old and so flat - mountains when you drive 100 or even 150 km further south.

But, our own hills are big and cover a wide area to find many, many nice roads on the slopes, occasionaly even with serpentines!

Have a look!

Regards and by the way: our Jialing JH600 solo was licensed today for road use without any problems! Next step is the JH600B.

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Originally Posted by Bart Sanders

Next step is the JH600B.

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:popcorn:

That's where my curiosity lays. Hope it gets plates without problem. Good luck!

PS: I recall seeing plenty of "mountains" in Amsterdam. Comparatively, China is the land of pimples and flat hills. Oh wait, what are you talking about? :naughty:

Stunning, beautiful countryside, Bart. A nice home for some interesting Chinese bikes.

thanks!

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:popcorn:
Oh wait, what are you talking about? :naughty:

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Opening up a new thread, are you? :mwink:

No, seriously, you are right. The JH600B is the more difficult one to get licensed. I have written Jialing if they have released a "L4e" Vehicle Category (i.e. motorcycle with sidecar) into the EC Type Approval Database. If not, it gets tough. We then have to license the motorcycle part as a solo and hook up the sidecar again after licensing.

Stay tuned!

Bart

Hello!

After showing our Jialing JH600B on the E-G-T event, a quite fierce discussion has started on a dutch sidecar drivers forum. The core question is why the steering sidecar wheel in a left turn starts to steer to the right again in the very last degrees of steering to the left up to end-stop.

For those who do not know this behaviour of the JH600B:
- from driving straight
- start of left turn, sidecar wheel turns left also
- more left turn, sidecar wheel turns more left also
- almost end of left turn steering angle, the sidecar wheel starts to turn to the right
- max. left turn reached, max. steering angle, sidecar wheel points to the right of the neutral position

In our dutch forum there are two opinions: wrongly adjusted, s.c.wheel must always turn left. The other opinion: correct, the turn to the right in the final leftturn stage prohibits the rear wheel from coming loose and tilting the complete unit over the axle front-wheel to s.c. wheel.

Two questions:
Any suggestions?

Who has the Jialing adjustment instructions for the s.c. wheel steering mechanism?

I tried Jialing directly, but to no avail :confused1:

Dear Bart, as a partisan of the two-wheeled Jialing, I have no idea of the answer. But I find strangely comical the notion of half of Holland stressing over this quirky conundrum!!

I'm guessing td_ref will know...

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Originally Posted by Bart Sanders

In our dutch forum there are two opinions: wrongly adjusted, s.c.wheel must always turn left. The other opinion: correct, the turn to the right in the final leftturn stage prohibits the rear wheel from coming loose and tilting the complete unit over the axle front-wheel to s.c. wheel.

Two questions:
Any suggestions?

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In another thread, people are wondering why Chinese drivers appear to be turning left (or right) and then suddenly, at the last moment and without warning, turn in the completely opposite direction. Well, now we know ... it is a design feature of Chinese vehicles!

:lol8:

Seriously, I recall reading a technical paper about this issue. It boiled down to the "parking lot speed bump" factor.

Practically, a hard turn (left or right) of the handlebars is only done at very low speed (where there is no forward force of momentum). There is some issue with a 3-wheeled bike's location of mass, rotating Centre of Gravity and pivoting "tip-over" point. It is exacerbated differently on a left turn from a right turn. On uneven ground, during a low speed left turn, the sidecar's wheel can hop over a bump and tip left, but the sidecar's right steer on a very tight left turn of the bike is apparently enough to overcome that force. As I recall, the technical paper said it is unlikely for the bike to tip over, only that the sidecar would have an accentuated "hop" over bumps in tight left turns. Again, this is in very low speed conditions where there is no forward momentum.

With forward momentum added to the equation, the issue becomes one of right turns causing the sidecar to lift, but that is a completely different kettle of fish.

People who have seen Skidders operating in timber harvesting conditions (side of mountains) have seen these strange steering mechanisms on triangular wheel arrangements, or where there is substantially different track widths, front and rear, yet all wheels can steer. Steering wheels are pointing in opposite directions to keep the Skidder in an upright position, at near stationary speeds.

The physics become very complicated when one also begins considering the force of the driving wheel(s), especially if there is torque being used within the steering function.

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Originally Posted by Bart Sanders

Who has the Jialing adjustment instructions for the s.c. wheel steering mechanism?

I tried Jialing directly, but to no avail :confused1:

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It continues to be on my "to-do" list - acquiring the full "B" service manual. Came close, once. I will try another avenue soon. Jialing, a state-owned-enterprise, really doesn't like us knowing its state secrets ... such as how to service the bikes we have bought. :rolleyes1:

Anyone else out there with access to these state secrets?

PS: Hope your "B" registration is progressing.

Good evening friends! I'm motocilista more than 20 years. Now came to the JH BRAZIL 600 with the name of dunna 600. Today I want to change AQUILA 250 more for Traill. Would like to know your impressions of the JH 600. Thank you.