New Jialing biker in Shanghai.

Hello MCM peoples,

I'm new on this site and also new rider. I just bought Jialing motorcycle 1.5 month ago. I don`t have any experience with motorbikes before ( scooter and my grandfather sidecar I don`t want to count:) I chose Jialing bike only because MCM guys good and positive comments ( especially after impressive and great photo stories from Pfaelzer). I even been in Yongkang and bought the same panniers:) Unfortunately, I`m not so happy with Jialing moto, or maybe just unlucky. We even have problem with delivery in the beginning.
When I got my bike and open a box - speedometer sensor was broken and we order replacement, so first 200 km I rode without any info :)
But this is nothing compare with what I discover now. Maybe I`m too picky, but after 80 Km/h I feel my motorbike starts to shake and I cannot speed up smoothly like on 3 or 4 gear. I know you MCM guys are much more experienced, so, maybe someone have similar problem with Jialing 600-A.
I`ll be very appreciate for any advice.

me and my Jialing baby
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6165/...7a73ba839d.jpg


joker346

Dear Joker346,

Greetings and welcome to MCM, and welcome to the joys and frustrations of the JH600. Yes, there are several of us who are amassing quite a bit of experience with the bike as well as with the Jialing support community (which is evanescent at best). Are you working with Liu Zhidong and Fan Peisheng?

The problems you are describing with your bike are not ones that I've experienced, and are not on the short list of "things that are problems with the JH600". So it's good that you are raising them now. I'm away from Shanghai for a couple more weeks, but there are five or six of us in Shanghai who are really getting to know the bike well, so don't give up hope. If you bought the bike new, you are under warranty and should fight like hell to get everything sorted. The problems of shifting at speed and vibrations are serious safety issues, and should not be taken lightly. No, you absolutely are not being too picky. The JH600 is a smooth riding bike, and you should address those issues.

I can be a bit more helpful once I'm back.

Bike looks great, and I see you too got the memo about the superiority of black bikes!

cheers!

Welcome Joker346!

It is always great to have another one in the JH600 & MCM families, albeit in Shanghai (which, as a Beijinger, I am obliged to snarl at).

The JH600 is a good bike for China. It has a few "Chinese characteristics" that we JH600 owners are trying to sort out, but I've never experienced any shaking/shuddering. I agree with Euphonius that it is a surprisingly smooth bike.

And yes, make sure you get Jialing to address everything under warranty. Like all bikes, from all manufacturers, there are going to be some initial problems. Just keep in mind that the "standard of mechanical service" in China, across all dealers (domestic & imported), is still under development.

Nice color! :naughty:

Hi Joker,

Welcome to the JH600 family!
The shake that you are describing is indeed strange. The only shake any of us have encountered was from a balance issue due to too much mud caked in the the wheel...haha (the JH600s can be fun off-road as well) :riding: . I'm sure we'll find a quick fix to your problem and the 2 of you can settle into a long-term relationship.

I'll PM you my contact info. Give me a shout and we'll discuss the issue and make sure you're using the right service channels to get it resolved soon.

Motokai

Does it happen when you open the throttle slowly or fast or just always over 80km/h?
Did this happen from the start?
Did you check your rims?
What about if you go over 80 in 4th gear?

I had a stuttering problem due to a badly connected battery, but that happened in any gear then obviously.

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Dear Joker346,

Greetings and welcome to MCM, and welcome to the joys and frustrations of the JH600. Yes, there are several of us who are amassing quite a bit of experience with the bike as well as with the Jialing support community (which is evanescent at best). Are you working with Liu Zhidong and Fan Peisheng?

The problems you are describing with your bike are not ones that I've experienced, and are not on the short list of "things that are problems with the JH600". So it's good that you are raising them now. I'm away from Shanghai for a couple more weeks, but there are five or six of us in Shanghai who are really getting to know the bike well, so don't give up hope. If you bought the bike new, you are under warranty and should fight like hell to get everything sorted. The problems of shifting at speed and vibrations are serious safety issues, and should not be taken lightly. No, you absolutely are not being too picky. The JH600 is a smooth riding bike, and you should address those issues.

I can be a bit more helpful once I'm back.

Bike looks great, and I see you too got the memo about the superiority of black bikes!

cheers!

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Thanks for warm welcome !
Yes you absolutely right. I bought bike through Liu Zhidong :) Bike is totally new and of course I have warranty. I already been in official service shop, they changed me broken speedometer sensor, but for others problems unfortunately they don`t have solution. Guy in shop just connect me with Daniel, and he advice me to go to Pudong to small local shop. I`ve already been there, so local master check my bike and says that shakes it`s normal for chinese engine. So right now I`m quite confused. I hope with MCM members guys I can find solution to solve this problem.

Thanks again for your help.

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

Welcome Joker346!

It is always great to have another one in the JH600 & MCM families, albeit in Shanghai (which, as a Beijinger, I am obliged to snarl at).

The JH600 is a good bike for China. It has a few "Chinese characteristics" that we JH600 owners are trying to sort out, but I've never experienced any shaking/shuddering. I agree with Euphonius that it is a surprisingly smooth bike.

And yes, make sure you get Jialing to address everything under warranty. Like all bikes, from all manufacturers, there are going to be some initial problems. Just keep in mind that the "standard of mechanical service" in China, across all dealers (domestic & imported), is still under development.

Nice color! :naughty:

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Hello and Thanks :)
Actually I`m little bit afraid of warranty. I already been in the service shop, I was surprised, that guys even don`t have a lot of spare parts and computer diagnostic equipment. Maybe I`m expecting too much, but looks like for full diagnostic I should travel to Sichuan :(
I`m not engineer and it`It`s makes me sad :(

Thanks for your concern.

Dear Victor,

You are getting the classic Shanghai runaround. You need to push LZD to help you deal directly with the factory, since both Xiao Fan (at the shop in Honggu Lu) and Liu do not really know what they are doing with the JH600. Though LZD rides the 600B, neither of these guys has any experience riding the two-wheel 600A because they say it's too big for them. The guy in Pudong, who we call Dr Cui, is a very capable mechanic but he too has very little experience with the JH600, especially as a rider. He's a wizard with engines, but knows nothing about how the bike should ride. To my knowledge, he's ridden the JH600 only once, and that was Motokai's.

Prepare to be very firm with them. LZD usually does get results, but sometimes you have to push. And he works at his own speed.

Dr Cui is wrong about vibration. The JH600 has a very well balanced engine and produces very little vibration. It is a thumper, with just one big cylinder running four strokes. So you cannot compare the feeling to a twin or quad cylinder bike. But in our experience, the bike runs quite smoothly at all rpms and speeds. You should insist on this.

Be sure to follow up with Motokai, who can help you understand what gets a response from LZD.

good luck!

Yeah, Victor and I already traded contact info - give me a shout!
Also if you want to get together to trade bikes for a short sprint to feel out the difference, I'm available. :riding::riding:

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Originally Posted by Barry

Does it happen when you open the throttle slowly or fast or just always over 80km/h?
Did this happen from the start?
Did you check your rims?
What about if you go over 80 in 4th gear?

I had a stuttering problem due to a badly connected battery, but that happened in any gear then obviously.

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Hello ,
It happen when I slowly open the throttle and after 80Km/h I feel how my engine starts to shake, I feel like I need to switch to 6th gear, but I have only 5 of them : )
From the beginning I was very afraid to speed up because my bike was totally new, and I start to test it for such speed only after 2000 km.
About the rims - I have no idea what are you talking about :) But maybe someone can help me to do that and check. I`m not engineer yet, but looks like I`ll become soon :)
Maybe, as you said, I should try to go over 80 in 4th gear, but I feel I should switch to 5th gear after 60-65 Km/h. But I`ll try to follow your advice.
Lucky I don`t have any problem with battery. It still works fine. Many thanks for your advises, I`ll try to follow up and let you know.

Motokai I`ll try to catch up you tomorrow. It will be great if you have time tomorrow evening we can make a small test and you can look at bike by yourself. I`m quite sure you can explain me a lot :) Thanks again and I will cal you tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Dear Victor,

You are getting the classic Shanghai runaround. You need to push LZD to help you deal directly with the factory, since both Xiao Fan (at the shop in Honggu Lu) and Liu do not really know what they are doing with the JH600. Though LZD rides the 600B, neither of these guys has any experience riding the two-wheel 600A because they say it's too big for them. The guy in Pudong, who we call Dr Cui, is a very capable mechanic but he too has very little experience with the JH600, especially as a rider. He's a wizard with engines, but knows nothing about how the bike should ride. To my knowledge, he's ridden the JH600 only once, and that was Motokai's.

Prepare to be very firm with them. LZD usually does get results, but sometimes you have to push. And he works at his own speed.

Dr Cui is wrong about vibration. The JH600 has a very well balanced engine and produces very little vibration. It is a thumper, with just one big cylinder running four strokes. So you cannot compare the feeling to a twin or quad cylinder bike. But in our experience, the bike runs quite smoothly at all rpms and speeds. You should insist on this.

Be sure to follow up with Motokai, who can help you understand what gets a response from LZD.

good luck!

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Thanks Euphonius for such advanced explanation. I already have Motokai`s contact - I`ll try to catch this master guru ASAP and let you know about progress. I really hope I will enjoy smooth and safe ride very soon especially with your MCM guys help. Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by joker346

Hello ,
It happen when I slowly open the throttle and after 80Km/h I feel how my engine starts to shake,.........
About the rims - I have no idea what are you talking about :) But maybe someone can help me to do that and check. I`m not engineer yet, but looks like I`ll become soon :)
Maybe, as you said, I should try to go over 80 in 4th gear, but I feel I should switch to 5th gear after 60-65 Km/h. But I`ll try to follow your advice.
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About the rims: They might be out of balance, which causes vibration at certain speed. Unfortunately there is no one in Shanghai who provide the tire balance service for motorcycles unless you go to Tianma race track. I kind of doubt that that's your problem.

About shifting the gears: shifting to the 5th gear after 60-65 KM/h is way too early in my experience. Your Jialing will shake for sure in that case, especially with your habit of "slowly open the throttle" after shifting. I frequently shift after 80, depending on the terrain and wind resistance. Gear shifting at higher rpm gives you more power and less shaking.

Dr. Cui's opinion and judgement is usually correct. He has quickly become a local expert on our JH600, as LZD frequently involves him in servicing the large number of JH600B's owned by some military base in Suzhou. He fixed a serious engine stalling problem for me, which has been running great for over 4000km now. He also did some test ride on my Jialing, so he is not completely without riding experience with our Jialings.

Just my 2 cents.
Cheers!

Hi Joker, what's status on your bike? We haven't heard from you anymore!

Hi, sorry for my late answer.
Finally I met Motokai and we switched our bikes for test. We take a ride and I feel the same with his bike and even little bit more :) I think this time we made around 110-130 km/h. After all Motokai told me it`s normal vibration and don`t need to worry about it. I trust him and I feel more cool right now :)
Thanks all of you guys for support !!!

all shanghai JH600ers should come out to have a group test

I`d like to, it will be great for all of us.

I'm keen convene a JH600 love-in too, though Fons just told me he'll be away this weekend.

I see that Corporal_Clegg, who how is now gainfully employed and flush with cash, has called for a (No-)Bike Night, which of course means the first round is on him. Just to be clear, this is for all MCM members, not just Jialingistas, who are known to sputter when their tanks are too full.

How about this weekend? Friday evening? Saturday evening?

Friday or Saturday evenings - both days are warmly welcome for me :) just tell me where and when you prefer to start "engine" :)