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Taiwan manufacturer Sanyang (SYM) has added some new motorcycles to their product line.
They are offering a line under the WOLF model name, several different models are being offered
Wolf Classics 125/150
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...lfClassic2.jpg
Wolf SB125Ni
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...1_fs_12505.jpg
Wolf SB250Ni
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...fSB250Ni-2.jpg
Ad for the 250....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KCKBr-VmIg
SYM will also be offering their version of the Suzuki GS125
As the X-WOLF
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...SYM/X-wolf.jpg
Suzuki GS125
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...i/11gs125m.jpg
SYM will also be offering another version of the other version of the Suzuki GS125
As their XS125-K
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._xs125-k_l.jpg
Suzuki GS125
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...-GS-125_01.jpg
So SYM is a Suzuki affiliate? I get rather confused by all the connections between Chinese and foreign companies. How close is the Wolf SB250Ni to the GW250 in your opinion? Are these bikes being sold in China?
I do not think Suzuki is affiliated with SYM, there are lots of companies that make copies of other manufacturers models, some of the SYM 125 are not identical to Suzuki models, as their engines and other parts are different then the actual Suzuki models. They are more a knock offs then any kind of authorized or unauthorized reproduction of another companies designs.
The SB250Ni is not a twin like the GW250 it has a DOHC 4-valve single…
As far as it being sold in china…not likely unless they set up a production line in china and they could, the bike would likely sell well there. SYM does have partners in china , I would say not in the near future but eventually possibly. To me that is the part that is confusing…the why not sell that in china is very confusing.
重點是，人家很清楚偷什麼地方不會出問題。
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Wolf SB250Ni http://www.sym-jp.com/common/images/spacer.gif
● Colours White, black, red (total of 3 colors) http://www.sym-jp.com/common/images/spacer.gif
»Features of the vehicle«
● Headlamps and sporty body lines and design features.
● By aggregating the tail light LED, has excellent visibility from a distance target.
● The structure of the side cowl has a sense of volume to be pumped out the air directly to the radiator and engine.
● Adopted under the engine cowl beneath, more sporty image.
● Balance shaft "liquid-cooled single cylinder engine 250cc 4V". Maximum horsepower is 18.4kw.
● Digital meters are backlit by a blue glow, you can see at a glance information while driving.
● Brake system, front wave disc (288mm) radial four-piston calipers and adopted. The Single rear (222mm) has demonstrated a stable braking force is equipped with.
● 140mm rear tire is adopted as the MAXXIS tires delivers excellent traction in cornering.
● We provide the best brake feeling brake lever adjustable in four steps.
Length 2005mm
Total height 1050mm
Width 790mm
Seat height 790mm
Joint center 1320mm
Total emission 249.4cc
Engine type 4-stroke single cylinder
Vehicle weight 173kg
Compression ratio 10.5:1
Starting method Cell Maximum output 18.4kw/7500rpm Maximum torque 23.1Nm/6000rpm
Top Speed 140km
Gear shift pattern 1-N-2-3-4-5-6
Fuel supply system Electronic formula
Fuel tank capacity 14L
Brake Previous: φ288mm
After: φ222mm
Tire Size Before: 110 / 70-17
Rear: 140 / 70-17
Country of manufacture Taiwan http://www.sym-jp.com/common/images/spacer.gif
They are selling them in Japan...as a limited offering.
They also offer the 125cc version of the Wolf Classic in Japan.
http://www.sym-jp.com/source/models/index.html
I saw a new model SYM wolf in the car park of my work last week. Looks great. I will try to remember to take a snapshot if I see it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
As for affiliations - I always assumed SYM were still in bed with Honda. I spent a couple of very happy years riding an original White Wolf (an authorised CG125 copy) in Taiwan about 15 years ago - an amazingly robust machine.
Suzuki has a partner in Taiwan, it is Tai Ling, they also manufacture for Kawasaki.
Here is the history of SYM….
http://www.sym.com.tw/eng/about/symstory.php
In the US, the SYM bikes are distributed by Lance Powersports who have a separate site for SYM:
http://alliancepowersports.com/
Looks like we have/will get the Wolf in the US
http://alliancepowersports.com/sym-w...fications.html
:clap:
Price-wise, the Wolf would compete with the CCW Misfit, and looks more like a direct competitor to the not-yet released ACE
http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/
Come to think of it, MJH, you should look into working with CCW... :thumbsup:
SYM could offer the SB250Ni in the USA and price it under $3,799.00 and they may next year? Just a limited release as SYM is doing in Japan.
It looks like Alliance did some research…their offerings and pricing is pretty spot on for the market.
I have a suggestion for SYM…they should utilize that DOHC 250...that by-the-way specs very close to the Honda NX250 engine, that suggestion would be to set it into an X-Wolf model.
Here is the inspirations... an early model, a Sanglas.
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk...es/sanglas.jpg
Here is what the new model (X-Wolf 250) should look like, courtesy of Oberdan Bezzi Design
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3jGs3xoMua...glas_Bezzi.jpg
According to Alliance Power sports, the T2 will be available in the USA for 2012.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...127be64254.jpg
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That will be a welcome addition to the small bike class.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
"Yuma, Arizona (the 3:10 left me here)" can I ask are vyou still in Yuma,,and why?
Evidently Lance had a standing relationship with SYM as an OEM for the Lance CALI scooter brand. So when the Bammans set themselves on fire, Lance was a very logical choice to become the New SYM distributor.
They created a sister company named Alliance, but retained Lance, but only offer two models under that Brand name.
I would say for dealers that both would be worth carrying, the Lance are more affordable but only have half the warranty offered on the SYM models offering 1yr compared to SYM that is offering 2yrs.
The SYM Fiddle II and the Cali Classic 125 are not identical but appear to share the same engines. Other then that none of the current offering are redundant.
Maybe Lance could fund production of a different version of a 250 street bike?
I personally would like to see this Oberdan Bezzi design come to life.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...GLAS 660 S.jpg
It could be manufactured in Taiwan for that market and other markets except for North America. Then the production could also be done in China through SYM and their partner there, but with them having the rights to the Chinese market and all others except the USA. Then if by some chance the markets heats up and demand for smaller surges in the USA some of the Chinese made could come to the USA but only under the Lance name.
It makes it a worth while investment to have design studios in the USA, that work on existing offerings currently in production at the Asian manufactures. Building a brand name with strong influence and ties.
I like that the distributor is now in California, they have more access to talent in that state, more access to talent and creativity.
I work at the state prison (the real one, not the one that is a historical tourist attraction where the 3:10 was supposed to end up in the movie), and the pay is decent. I have a business venture here that is on the verge of starting up, so the location is ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lipsee
I am not sure the Asian bike companies are open-minded enough to consider having design studios in California. However, there are quite a few distributors in th greater metropolitan area of L.A., mainly the so-called 'Inland Empire' such as where Lance is located; it would be interesting to have a company similar to CCW actually open up something on the West Coast and contract with Taiwanese companies, as oppsed to Chinese companies. I think that the Taiwanese companies have a little bit more creativity. One company that seemed to give up the US market once the EPA regulations became stricter is Hartford out of Taiwan. They did bring some of their enduros to the US in the mid-2000's, but then stopped. They have a couple cool bikes besides their now aging enduros , but could OEM for someone. I remember reading about someone riding one of the 200cc enduros around Iceland on a motorcycle adventure with good results.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
http://www.hartford-motors.com.tw/
My proposal is for Lance to invest in a design engineer, to work up designs that utilize existing technology that is already in mass production, that being primarily the water cooled 250.
There is a percentage of the market that is interested and if done correctly that corner or segment of the market can be taken with that engine. Taken if it is presented in a variety of offerings.
It is about bringing it to the market quickly and cost effectively.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...rdan-Bezzi.jpg
This video is from October, 2011, from a (I assume) scooter shop owner in the Noho (North Hollywood--remember the big bank robbery/shootout?) area of Los Angeles. I am guessing these bikes are already in the US? It seemed like we were still waiting (although, I have to admit, the scooter industry has a whole different set of followers in the US, as opposed to motorcycle people--and SYM is primarily a scooter company sold through scooter stores) for these bikes to arrive. Glad to see they're here already (I think).
Hopefully this 150 isn't as bad as in it's motherland. :deal:http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ll=1#post38141
That sounds in the video seems like a drive chain that is loose? It does not seem like an internal engine sound.
I read the thread and it makes really very little sense to me.
The engine offered in the US is rated at 9kw @9000rpm (12.25hp) not sure if it has ceramic cylinders though, SYM does use ceramic cylinders in newer engines. They advertise that technology for the scooters but I do not see it included on the information for the Wolf 150?
SYM is offering a 24 month warranty, the Wolf has has an EPA certificate for 2011, it was the change in distribution that delayed its arrival.
The Symba got allot of attention and a decent following, it is logical for SYM to introduce the Wolf 150 after that. It being a bit more for a bit more.
http://symplifylife.com/wp-content/u...Ad-407x300.jpg
I would not have any issues buying an SYM, they offer decent products for decent prices. The 24 month warranty backs them up.
The Taiwan manufactures got under cut by low quality for dirt cheap, so did the South Koreans. It makes it difficult for them to operate in the market with all the low cost competition.
Most reputable dealers, if there is such a thing, sell scooters and seek decent products. The SYM line bridges up, the T2 if priced right will get attention, it has a much more aggressive stance then the CBR250, it need to be priced well under the Honda and with a 24 month warranty it should represent a viable alternative to it.
There is a percentage of riders that do not want a race bike, they are beginners and may never go that far, they may never want a super bike. Some start with a scooter, some start with a dual sport, these are options and new entry level options have been missing for some time. They are feeders and the industry needs to embrace them if they want to keep going.
Taiwanese called that sound as "鬼叫", quite common in B3U. Why had 鬼叫 is explained @ http://forum.jorsindo.com/viewthread.php?tid=2253770 Rubbish Bearing & No bush @ another side in head unlike the old Sanyang OR HONDA & clone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Another B3U headache is "刷缸" which WILL drop engine pressure to un-rideable condition very soon (10k km sad story heard in TW forum. The old Sanyang can at least round odometer once. ) Toothpick size con rod + Light weight short piston:uhoh: http://wolfclub.org/viewthread.php?t...extra=page%3D1 To overcome the headaches: Re-config it as early 90's BUT the FI may drive u nuts
TWese often complains the front start motor which made them can't direct fit Honda or clone parts :icon10: Stator also in a weirdo config http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail....&last=24037749
I guess time will tell? If that is the engine they are exporting or not? It would be shame if it is.
Since most American typically ride their motorcycles just for fun, it would take a long time to get to 10,000km(6,300miles), some may loose interest in the little bike before they put that many miles on it, it certainly would be out of warranty by then.