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http://www.jpmotorsports.net/pre_own...R0&veh=2391215
I am surprised to see these as Qingqi-branded here in the US. Not sure if these are a fluke (i.e. one-container special) or the start of something promising, but I might just have to make a trip to San Diego and a ride back...:riding:
Nice find, culcune. I noticed that the headlight and tail light are the same as the Konker that was sold in Canada. The headlight has adjustability while the tail light is not LED. Also, HOLY CRAP! IT HAS AN OILER COOLER!
Good eye on the similarities and oil cooler! I have to admit that I never really researched the Konkers since they were not available in the US, and the Qlinks were (still are). I really hope these are here to stay, and I did try to call JP this morning, but forgot about the 1 hour time difference, so will wait until they are open, LOL.
Maybe Pitsterpro offers them to its dealers in the USA? Maybe they are distributing them in a limited number to any Pitsterpro dealer that wants them….they imported some for the Canadian market.
JP Motorsports is also a Pisterpro dealer.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...permoto250.jpg
That is a new addition to their lineup, just as the Qingqi brand is, too. I tried to get JP to become pitster dealers when Pitster had their XTR 250 motard so I could finance one, but it never worked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I wonder what the story is with these bikes--I hope it is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg so they will be available in all 50 states en masse like the Qlink 200s were (Canada is already taken care of by Pitster Pro).
We have this bike here with little differences for 2000$
this one looks like turkish version of QM named ramzy
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no marks on cluch cover strange !!!
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The original Qingqi 250 should be like this (pic from chinaV) fuel injected
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and at last what we have in iran still carb
check the swing arm !!!
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still don't understand what they are doing out there in china !!!
I think that they are or were samples that may have went to Konker? Then when Konker went out of business….Jpmotorsports picked them up at an auction….maybe.
Konker never embraced the odd shaped headlight on the motard, they only offered the square shaped light offered on the dual sport, they also opted for a standard taillight over the LED.
I think they are orphans…there is no formal distributor in the USA for those, they do have an EPA certificate though, so they are legal and can be registered. I would not recommend trying to do that yourself though with an MSO, the naming conventions may confuse the hell out of any local DMV.
I also cannot see any way for them to have a warranty or support of one….the biggest reason anyone buys new is a warranty.
http://cmgonline.com/images/stories/...konker_lhs.jpg
This is all conjecture…but what you get when they do not tell you what they are doing and who is doing it.
http://cmgonline.com/content/view/1387/254/
Nima naderi, thank you for the photos of the Iranian version. Are the bikes Qingqi branded there? I could not get the photos to come up larger on my computer :confused1:
MJH, you have a very solid theory. However, I wonder how they are able to sell them in California as 2011's? But they do look awfully similar to Konker as you and David3921 pointed out, right down to the non-LED taillight.
I will try to get some info on the bikes, but with California's time being an hour behind mine for the next 6 months, it will be hard to coordinate calling JP and talking to the man, Smitty (working in a state prison makes calling very difficult, indeed :eek2::eekers:)
OK, nima naderi, I was able to get into the photos, and I see the Iranian version has the diamond-shaped headlight and LED taillight.
Is the brand name 'Pishro' or is that the model's name? I also saw the name 'Gold' as well as the familiar 'QM 250' How are these bikes regarded in Iran?
The model has a 2011 EPA certificate BDFRC.249GYB-001, it is valid only on 2011 models and is for all 50 states.
Then why did CCW not bring in 'da Hooligun'???!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Somebody by the name of Daifer submitted for the application, it was ok’d and is listed with the EPA as a 2011 certified model.
DAFIER, INC.
1100 Jefferson Davis Highway
Richmond, VA 23224
(804) 231-5811dafierusa.com
I really do not know what the cost of one of the bikes is, could be maybe, $1,250.00-$1,500.00 each? Then the more you buy the lower the price, that is or would be the cost to a wholesaler.
An order of 100 would cost in the area of $125,000.00
I suppose it would be possible to order the bikes from the factory with a decal that has the EPA certificate on it, I believe that Qingqi owns the brand name Daifer?
I would not trust the application to the EPA, not if somebody else submitted it, who ever did takes responsibility for it and its legitimacy or illegitimacy. Most attorneys would say your exposing yourself to too much risk.
There is very little risk in selling two units…..selling 100 would have 100 times the risk and penalties are based on how many sold…if the application submitted to the EPA was not factual and accurate, whoever is selling them is exposed to that liability, to fines and penalties, they all share in that risk.
So even though nobody owns the certificate, the name on it has rights and also the use of it has liability.
How about calling that number listed in your post: (804) 231-5811?
See who answers and in what accent!
In any case, this is more of the same nonsense from the Chinese manufacturers. "We make bikes. We don't care who uses them or where. Just so long as someone sells them. And don't come back complaining about the quality. We don't care about service or customers. Not our problem."
Our problem.
The company is "Farsmotor" and the brand is "Pishro" and the model name is "GOLD 250" but u cant find any Qingqi labels any where on the bike since all the specifications except theQuote:
Originally Posted by culcune
fuel injection system are the same with Qingqi liger 250 models .they use a small 30mm TK carb on these models
I had called that number a few years ago. They had somehow become the official Qingqi distributors; I think 'Crazy Carl' gave me their number. I phoned, a guy answered "hello" and was not too pleasant. It turned out that they only accept calls during a 4 or 5 hour window of time as 'Qingqi' and the rest of the time they distribute child porn (ok, I made that up to insult the :asshat:s, LOL). No, the guy told me that they only sell to official dealers (as if I couldn't have been a dealer, DUH!! :jerkoff:). Overall, I would have rated them a 0 out of 10 at the time. Maybe now they migh have moved up to a 2 out of 10 :lol8:
nima naderi--thank you for clarifying my questions--it seems interesting that they removed all the Qingqi identification--perhaps Iran does not require a manufacturers statement of origin :deal: ?
look what i found !!!
there was a small motoshow in tehran and :
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Chinese, will contact me with prices 20ft/40ft....Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Suzuki is not offering the DR200SE in the USA for 2012, no new DR200 are available from prior model years.
You can get a new GZ250 as they are still in stock they are 2009 and 2010 models, not offered for 2011 or 2012.
TU250 is available in 2012 model years, they raised the price to $4,099.00, 2011 models have an MSRP of $3,999.00. The 2009 are all sold out, that would be the version with a silver frame and dark red tank.
Suzuki’s sales are way down for motorcycles, their line shrunk the only new offering in the USA is the revised V-strom.
Called JP Motorsports and spoke to 'Smitty' the head sales guy. He said they just sold 1 bike to a guy in Rosarito Beach, Mexico, about 30 minutes south of their dealership. According to him, they are evaluating these bikes to see how reliable they are; they were one of the biggest Qlink XF/XP 200 dealers, and now that Qlink is either out of them, not selling them, or a combination of both, they wanted to see how the 250 engine compares. Hopefully it is reliable, and they will sell bunches of them!
Are those being sold by Qingqi or Farsmotor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nima Naderi
"TAKTAZ motor" is the current exclusive distributor of SUZUKI japan and also Qingi , but this bike
with 18/21 rims and not diamond style front cowl and Qinqi mark on the right case of engine
never been in the market for sale (just for show) but the one named "pishro gold 250" is the only alternative available by farsmotor
I'm surprised that you guys are treating this model like it's some mysterious new machine, it's the same unit the ChinaV documented so well here.
Many 1,000's sold world wide. I had one on order here in Nicaragua before the dealer sold out. They quoted me $2,700 USD.
It is new to the US, so is "mysterious" and they have them in Iran, too. Funny enough, the dealer who is selling these, JP Motorsports, were probably one of the largest dealers of the Qingqi (sold as Qlink in the US) XF200/XP200, and the head sales guy "Smitty" said they aren't carrying too many as they want to evaluate them, in spite of the high level of reliability they had with essentially the same bike as a 200?!Quote:
Originally Posted by motomech
On top of that, to me, the big surprise came as Cleveland Cycle Werks, who had been showing off their version of the Qingqi 250, had responded to me that they would not have their bike 'Da Hooligun' until the 2013 model year. I had assumed that the Qingqis weren't coming, and then I found these when I figured on settling and looking back into the Qlink 200. They were out of the Qlinks, but had these--no pre-announcement or any news of Qingqis coming here--BIG SURPRISE for the US market!!
Well, Cleavand Motorsport had preliminarily priced them way too high, so who cares what they do.
Aside from Qlink, I believe that worldwide, everywhere that the various forms of the Qingqi 200[GTX's]have been sold, the 250 has been sold too....in much less numbers.
Probably S. America is where the most 250's have been sold, as they have been avail. there for several years. There has been some mentions of that model on the S. Amer. bike enthust. forums and they are positive.
The only changes, aside from livery, has been to the exh. system and the addition of the oil cooler.
I'm pretty sure that the model in ChinaV's outstanding running review, is the same machine imported into the US. I only wishy the new owner would have continued to up-date the reports.
Of course, ChinaV's model suffered a plastic oil pump gear failure, which in turn cooked the top end. One can hope that there are some "under the skin" chaNGES that Qingqi has made.
I think the dealer's trepidation is more of a case of "can they sell them for $3K".
As you probably know, unless you live in S. Calif., you will be paying at least a $250 shipping fee. $3250...hummmm.
Factor in that a 250 is somewhat small for US riding[and the 400's are not, if any, larger], I think I would pass.
It has been a good seller south of the border where 250's are somewhat rare and Honda's 250, the "budget" Torando[made in Brazil, engine from Japan], go for almost $6000.
In the States, I could get a near mint KLR250 for 3300 DOLLARS, and have gas money left over. It's liquid-cooled, smooth-runing engine make it a decent hiway bike, better than the TU 250 engineed Qingqi
It's been almost a year since I took delivery of my second QM250. It's a great little bike, and I enjoy using it as a commuter. QingQi makes a decent motorcycle, but is severely handicapped when it comes to bringing product to market. If you dig through the old posts, you will see that the QM250 was announced in 2008. More than 3 years have gone by and they are still not available in China or most other markets.
Cheers!
ChinaV
we had no other way to change the rims and tires and make a 18/21 Qingqi 250 with a 17/17 pishro gold 250 !!
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Dear Nima, the bike looks great in the snow. Is the weather that cold in Tehran or do you get up into highlands?
Hardcore chinabiking!!!
Cheers
dear euphonius
yes the weather is so cold in tehran and the photos were taken in lavasan 20 km far from north east of tehran
here is more
enjoy
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