G'Day,
Tianma JIMMY opened a new store and has a few KTM, BMW and a new blue 1200 Yamaha Super Tenere (engine has scratches on right side) on display.
http://www.motogpchina.com
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G'Day,
Tianma JIMMY opened a new store and has a few KTM, BMW and a new blue 1200 Yamaha Super Tenere (engine has scratches on right side) on display.
http://www.motogpchina.com
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The problem with J is that he talks up all his bikes, promises all kinds of things especially related to plates (though he never says he can get 100% legal registered in the persons name) but then when it comes time to deliver is full of excuses. An example is offering a "legal" plate (which is questionable at best) then when it is time for the reinspection, is unable to offer any solution. I know someone who bought 2 motorcycles from him with plates then later when the reinspection was needed, he said he can't do. Both bikes sitting now for 2 years, plates expired.
I note that his new website, mainly displays new models, which is kind of typical, can find all new photos all over the net and copy them/link them in a website. Front end always looks nice but it's what is behind that makes the difference. I don't want to get all negative, but as someone who knows J's methods closely, I warn anyone to be very cautious, v e r y cautious.
I'd add it's better buyer beware.
G'Day,Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
Yes, dealing with him involves EXTREME CAUTION but must say he has approx. 20 brand new bikes sitting in his new shop: Yamaha Super Tenere 1200, KTM Adventure, KTM Supermoto, BMW GS ADV, BMW GS Tripple Black, BMW RR1000, Triumph, etc. matching some of the bikes displayed at the Joy Motor website (checked the new shop Sunday after our Suzhou ride).
I know someone who bought a KTM 990 ADV (full kitted out with panniers and the lot) of him recently with a Shanghai "A" rego and apparently everything was done the legal legit way with all docs to back it up, just saying......
Well and maybe there is some inspiring good that comes out of _______ (fill blank) after all. Do you know anything about the pricing he had on his bikes you saw in the new showroom at all? I ask since I've bought a XT1200Z from OZ and am going through the process of getting all boxes ticked for importing (legally). My XT1200Z has all available accessories added ex dealer, some OEM and some others... will post pics when everything is confirmed for importation. Considered an option of buying a new XT1200Z ex-Japan landed in HK before the usual route into China through a dealer based down south (Guangdong) who comes from Zhejiang though so he travels between the two Guangdong-Zhejiang a fair amount. Landed price to my door complete with 100% legal transferable plate in my Chinese name (many cities don't allow a foreign name in English) showing Yamaha 雅马哈 1200cc was around 155K with some accessories included (factory side cases/topbox). That was for a new XT1200Z. Considered the BMW GS's but the ongoing issues over final-drive seals, and ABS modules put me off, 'specially here in TIC land. Looked at the Duc Multi like you bought, even though I was excited at first, servicing costs factored in with the TIC land again, plus the road bias - dropped that from the radar.
Interested to know what money Jimmy is looking at for a new XT12Z and a R1200GS or GSA? The one you mentioned (KTM990ADV) that he sold with the SH A plate... what money was on that if you know?
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Originally Posted by bikerdoc
Wow, that's only 10K USD more than they retail for in the USA without accessories. Pretty good price for China, given that there are so few decent bikes here under ¥200K.
I would be quite happy to dump the cash on one of those purdy Multistrada's, but ¥300K is insane conscidering there's been no progress in registering bikes in Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Dongguan. I wonder if I could sue those city governments for unfair trade practices?
Cheers!
ChinaV
^ keep in mind though that the bike is not being imported legally otherwise it would be around 100% more than MSRP in the USA even though duties and taxes are meant to add anything between 40-60%, TIC!
ChinaV you could join forces with HD and Ducati which have been rumoured to have lodged a complaint with WTO about protectionist activities and hindered access to the motorcycle market landscape in China, with unfair discriminatory regulations etc. I believe that they have lodged such complaints but how successful they will be remains to be seen.
G'Day,Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
I've always liked the saying, “You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?”
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CNY250,000 would be suggestive of legal importation (with applicable taxes & duties paid) and subsequent legal documentation and therefore being able to get legal plates etc in those jurisdiction that allow motorcycle registrations. That price is around the those of the legal available big bore motorcycles from Honda; ST1300 and Suzuki; GSX1300R Hayabusa & M109R.
If this is true then it begs the questions, is J going legit?
G'Day,Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
Knowing Jimmy for a very long time and trust him as far as I can throw my car, had no dealings with him in the past and most probably never will in the future.
Mates bought bikes of him in the past (his shop was located near junction homgmei / gudai road 10+ years ago) and had no problems with him at all.
We were told he is going all legal and legit giving up his Tianma Track shop and business and will concentrate on legal bike import........
G'Day,
Just wondering how Jimmy (Joy Motor) will honour warranty and bike service for bikes purchased and supplied from his shop, had an interesting conversation with biker mates last night about this issues.......
G'Day,
Full house at Joy Motorcycles today, Victory bike by the dozens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Motorcycles
G'Day,
Looks like we are going to see BIMOTA bikes soon, pic taken this morning outside Joy Motorcycles...........
Interesting. Google for "bimota 上海" and you'll see some buzz in the chinese forums.
Bimota's site is only in Italian, but they seem to have a nice range of bikes. What makes me think the first thing they'll import is a crotchrocket?
cheers
... and the 2 KTM 990 ADV ??? loved them! but did not like the price at all! 200k rmb! ouch!!!
Jimmy offered me a KTM 990 adv Dakar edition for 260,000rmb!!! And the standard model for 240,000rmb!!!! The SMT is 260,000rmb loaded with gear....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaunedoe
G'Day,
Anyone interested in URAL -2wd- sidecar bikes? Jimmy has some on the shop floor......
Kodlin Choppers http://www.kodlin.com now for sale at Joy Motor Shanghai.
more Kodlin Chopper launch pics: http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...Choppers-China
Spent a good 20 minutes chatting with Jimmy yesterday too. He was actually very accommodating, answering my questions about import taxes and duties (69% markup on an imported bike, plus 30,000 in "fees"). He claims that he can get any bike you want these days and the lineup of bikes in his shop seemed to support him: BMW F800GS, Duke 990 (beautiful!), R6 and the star attraction of the day a brand spanking new 1198 I saw being unboxed out front before its happy new owner. Said owner then raced it up and down Huaxiang Lu with a Lamborghini and a BMW in dire need of a new muffler :naughty:. Surreal. Jimmy again said that he is now fully legitimate, providing 100% legal bikes. I guess he is doing this quite successfully as the shop had quite a few people there while I was wandering around. I got to sit on the bike TB has the photo of on the top left. Very uncomfortable for my 6' frame.
There is another shop on the same road in between Joy Motors and TP China. I have no idea if it is connected to either but there was a large selection of Yamahas, Ducattis, and Hondas for sale. A brand new NC700 was listed at 78000 and a 2011 CBR250 was 38000. Very tempting but I have no idea if they were legit. A new NC700 in Canada is 8799-8999. Too good to be true? Most likely.
Further down is a shop doing intensive custom work on jeeps. I thought modifying motor vehicles in China was very illegal? Apparently not on Huaxiang Lu, though perhaps these are for track use only. I don't believe that either.
Yeah, he has come a long way but buyers might have a problem and challenge with warranty and service work......Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
There are two other bike shops between JM and TP and buyers beware, 'nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
A few new bike shops coming up next year in that area.
http://www.tojeep.com and they are quite good with modifications.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
New shipment of nice bikes arrived.... before you ask - did not enquire about pricing....