If you could have any bike to ride in china ???

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11-06-2008, 09:51 AM
bigdamo

If you could have any bike to ride in china ???

If you could chose any bike from around the world to ride in china what would it be.

Here is my choice but it really needs Elec start and EFI

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgu...&ct=image&cd=1
11-06-2008, 11:06 AM
Franki

I would choose the KTM LC4 640 ADV. The bike below has just completed a 18,000km trip through Tibet & Xinjiang.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaser...0AaNnDhk3Yt2Ng
11-06-2008, 01:22 PM
CrazyCarl

Depends on where you wanted to ride I think. Probably a DRZ400 for myself if I could get an import.
11-06-2008, 04:01 PM
Supersignet

New Yamaha XT660 Tenere...what a killer bike
11-07-2008, 12:29 AM
ZMC888

Hmm, if it were purely a question of city and decent quality roads it would be a Hornet 600, nice size, no expensive fairing to damage.

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/honda/...0-%20Honda.jpg

If it was a hardcore adventure from north to south or east to west it would be tricky some would like the KTM 990 Adventure S, or the BMW R 1200 GS Adventure. Far too heavy IMHO. I like Franki's suggestion of a KTM LC4 640 ADV or maybe Yamaha XT660R.

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/yamaha...-%20Yamaha.jpg
11-07-2008, 06:45 AM
Jim

Well I'm not in China, but I really want to try out the Triumph Thruxton
http://motoaus.com/images/stories/tr...uxton-2008.jpg
http://www.triumphchepassione.com/im...uxton-2008.jpg
11-08-2008, 10:25 PM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franki

I would choose the KTM LC4 640 ADV. The bike below has just completed a 18,000km trip through Tibet & Xinjiang.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaser...0AaNnDhk3Yt2Ng

Hey Franki

Is that Kanas.

I take it you rode this trip through Tibet & Xinjiang.

How did the KTM go on the fuel that was used on this trip.

How did it go at the higher elevations.

Did you have any problems with the authorities riding a big bore foreign motorcycle in Xinjiang.

How do they go about getting parts and servicing the KTM in China?

Whats the costing of bringing in a motorcycle from overseas into China?

I do not know if a 200/250 chinese bike is up to the tasks of getting over the higher passes (4000 metres) loaded with gear.

Probably do it not much fun and put alot of load on the motor.Then doing higher speeds on the country highways in Xinjiang ain't going to help it.
11-09-2008, 04:17 PM
Franki

Hi bigdamo, I answer below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

Hey Franki

Is that Kanas.
Yes, it is Kanas.

I take it you rode this trip through Tibet & Xinjiang.
Not me, my friend rode the 219 alone and we met up in Urumqi to do northern Xinjiang.

How did the KTM go on the fuel that was used on this trip.
Most of the time running on #93 but sometimes on #90

How did it go at the higher elevations.
It ran ok without any adjustment to the carb but then he was not riding very fast. Max. 100kmh

Did you have any problems with the authorities riding a big bore foreign motorcycle in Xinjiang.
I was riding my JH600. There were many road blocks before and during Oylimpic but very few afterwards. We have full set paper work with us.

How do they go about getting parts and servicing the KTM in China?
There was non. I get them from HK for him before the trip. His bike developed no problem through out the trip. Only a couple of flat tyres.

Whats the costing of bringing in a motorcycle from overseas into China?
Very expensive and sometimes not allowed. Buy one in China.

I do not know if a 200/250 chinese bike is up to the tasks of getting over the higher passes (4000 metres) loaded with gear.
I know a girl rode a 35cc scooter to tour Tibet and returned home safely. Any bike can do. However, most bikes required adjusting the carb after 3000m. Changing to a smaller main jet is one method. Local bike shop doing it by inserting copper wire to the main jet and seems to work also.

Probably do it not much fun and put alot of load on the motor.Then doing higher speeds on the country highways in Xinjiang ain't going to help it.
It is boring to ride in Xinjiang slowly as the place is huge. I can easily do 700km on my JH600 per day. This is your second choise.

Franki
11-09-2008, 04:23 PM
Franki

Kanas River

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaser...0AaNnDhk3Yt2Ng
11-09-2008, 08:22 PM
bigdamo

Quote
Whats the costing of bringing in a motorcycle from overseas into China?
Very expensive and sometimes not allowed. Buy one in China. Quote

They don't have the motorcycle I want in China.

I thought about the JH 600 don't think it would like racing and traveling across the deserts of Xinjiang.

I've seen other western bikes in China someone doing it must be away.
11-10-2008, 06:46 AM
bigdamo

Plus I would like to compete in the Raid De Himalaya while I'm there.

Once again at very high altitude and yes I know there doing it on Royal Enfeilds.

But how good would it be to do it on a modern EFI bike.

Save you having to put some copper wire down your main jet :confused1:
11-10-2008, 08:44 AM
Franki

If money is noy an issue here, KTM LC8 990 ADV or BMW F800GS?
11-10-2008, 09:01 AM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franki

If money is not an issue here, KTM LC8 990 ADV or BMW F800GS?

To big to heavy.

There is not many many people that can use a KTM 990 to it full potential and I am one of them.

Why a BMW 800 and not a 1200?
11-10-2008, 09:54 AM
bigdamo

Hey Franki

Thanks for your reply.It was remiss of me not to acknowledge it.

I have taken it on board
11-10-2008, 10:01 AM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franki

If money is noy an issue here, KTM LC8 990 ADV or BMW F800GS?

A 2003 KTM 640 adv is worth about $5000.00-$6000.00 AUD here.
A 2004 KTM 640 enduro with 20 ltr tank I can get for $4000.00

If I can ship it(tax included) to china for say $4000.00 it would be feasible but this does not look like the case:frump:
11-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Franki

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

To big to heavy.

There is not many many people that can use a KTM 990 to it full potential and I am one of them.

Why a BMW 800 and not a 1200?

R12GS too heavy for route 219. F800GS can do it:thumbsup:
11-10-2008, 03:47 PM
Franki

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

A 2003 KTM 640 adv is worth about $5000.00-$6000.00 AUD here.
A 2004 KTM 640 enduro with 20 ltr tank I can get for $4000.00

If I can ship it(tax included) to china for say $4000.00 it would be feasible but this does not look like the case:frump:

So money is a problem:naughty:
Buy a used KTM 640 in China for about the same price and save the shipping. You can't get it into China anyway (money is an issue):deal:
11-10-2008, 05:01 PM
ZMC888

We have lots of illegal bikes imported from Hong Kong in my area. Problem is they are almost impossible to register...almost
11-10-2008, 05:06 PM
CrazyCarl

Don't they already have some BS registration when they're brought in? :confused1:

CC
11-10-2008, 08:30 PM
bigdamo

How did they get the Yamaha WR/yz 450 into Xinjiang for that Taklamahan desert rally?

I saw photos of a Chinese rider riding one?

Would they have brought it from Hong Kong?
11-11-2008, 12:06 AM
chinabiker

My choice

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

If you could chose any bike from around the world to ride in china what would it be.

I made my choice already.

http://photos.imageevent.com/chinabi...0914084911.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/chinabi...1025150930.jpg

+ air cooled engine / no messing around with coolant or water pump
+ shaft drive / no worries in mud, sand, water, maintenance
+ rugged and reliable
+ fuel efficient / rated at power and weight

- difficult to handle in deep mud or sandy ruts
- $$$

Andy
11-11-2008, 12:29 AM
chinabiker

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

Plus I would like to compete in the Raid De Himalaya while I'm there.

Thought you're going to China. The RdH is taking place in India (Himachal Pradesh), and it doesn't seem to be a big deal to bring a bike there.

andy
11-11-2008, 12:38 AM
chinabiker

Too heavy ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franki

R12GS too heavy for route 219. F800GS can do it:thumbsup:

I don't think the R1200GS is too heavy ?

dry weight:
R1200GS - 203 kg
F800GS - 185 kg

max. permissable
R1200GS - 440 kg
F800GS - 443 kg

Andy
11-11-2008, 05:09 AM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinabiker

Thought you're going to China. The RdH is taking place in India (Himachal Pradesh), and it doesn't seem to be a big deal to bring a bike there.

andy

I am going to Xinjiang, China.

My Cousin is based near the Border(xinjiang side) to there.If I am going to visit my Cousin I may as well have a shot at that rally.
11-11-2008, 12:27 PM
Franki

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinabiker

I don't think the R1200GS is too heavy ?

dry weight:
R1200GS - 203 kg
F800GS - 185 kg

max. permissable
R1200GS - 440 kg
F800GS - 443 kg

Andy

F800GS has 21" front wheel and better power to weight ratio:riding:
11-11-2008, 01:12 PM
chinabiker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franki

F800GS has 21" front wheel and better power to weight ratio:riding:

Not that I'm seeking an argument with you but simple maths will do:

power / weight (max. permissible)

R1200GS: 105hp / 440kg = 0.23 hp for 1kg
F800GS: 85 hp / 443 kg = 0.19 hp for 1kg

in other words

R1200GS: 1 horse has to move 4.19 kg
F800GS: 1 horse is in charge of 5.21 kg

the 21" front is a definite advantage on loose terrain.

I've already noticed your opposition to the flat twins :riding: but I'd
never trade a flat twin with a single pot or V-twin when it comes to slooooow steep uphill riding, mud or worse :mwink:

Andy, the flat twin guy :thumbsup:
11-12-2008, 03:44 AM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinabiker

I don't think the R1200GS is too heavy ?

dry weight:
R1200GS - 203 kg
F800GS - 185 kg

max. permissable
R1200GS - 440 kg
F800GS - 443 kg

Andy

Wow that 950 highlander is light at 165 kg and I thought that was to heavy.

My Scorpa weights 69kg
11-13-2008, 04:59 AM
Franki

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinabiker

Not that I'm seeking an argument with you but simple maths will do:

power / weight (max. permissible)

R1200GS: 105hp / 440kg = 0.23 hp for 1kg
F800GS: 85 hp / 443 kg = 0.19 hp for 1kg

in other words

R1200GS: 1 horse has to move 4.19 kg
F800GS: 1 horse is in charge of 5.21 kg

the 21" front is a definite advantage on loose terrain.

I've already noticed your opposition to the flat twins :riding: but I'd
never trade a flat twin with a single pot or V-twin when it comes to slooooow steep uphill riding, mud or worse :mwink:

Andy, the flat twin guy :thumbsup:

You are right there, I was think of your R1150GS with 85HP. I stand corrected.:thumbsup:
11-14-2008, 08:10 AM
bigdamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinabiker

I made my choice already.

http://photos.imageevent.com/chinabi...0914084911.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/chinabi...1025150930.jpg

Quote:

+ air cooled engine / no messing around with coolant or water pump

Very old technology over heats to the max when some stupid Gs 1200 owner thinks they think they can take it down single track( seen it happen" Oh I'm over my head can you help me get out of here and point me to the nearest tar road:uhoh:"

Quote:

+ shaft drive / no worries in mud, sand, water, maintena

nce

Why would you even think about taking a BMW GS 1200 near mud,sand and water i mean serious mud, sand and water not near mud ,sand and water that is over a bitumen road.

Quote:

+ rugged and reliable.

Rugged maybe no more than any other bike.

Reliable I would say the Japanese bike's are more reliable and hellava lot cheaper to fix when things go wrong and yes BMW brake down then your looking for a BMW dealer who has the computer to analyze the problem.Who will then stick it up you.How many BMW dealers are in China that will service/fix your BMW.

Quote:

+ fuel efficient / rated at power and weight

The 1200 gs is an over weight slug that its power could not pull the skin off a rice pudding.

Quote:

- difficult to handle in deep mud or sandy ruts

BMW GS 1200 good for people who work in cubes in high rise offices dreaming of the great escape until they actually do it and realize there limitations then sell the over weight beast and get a KTM

Keep dreaming of your F15 eagle because while your riding that over weight pig your not even close to riding a good light weight bike.:thumbsup:
- $$$

Andy

Why don't you take it up to the Takliman desert rally and see how it goes?:gun_bandana:
11-14-2008, 12:53 PM
chinabiker

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdamo

Why don't you take it up to the Takliman desert rally and see how it goes?:gun_bandana:

'cos I'm a coward and have no one to move my remains back to cube_office_in_the_high_rise_building after trying to bring the overweight pig with it's is outdated technology back up from a single trail to sand and water covered tarmac, just to hear my ever-present dealer say: I forgot to bring my computer.

Can't wait that you're coming to China, Motorcycle Guru, helping to choose the right bike for me and hopefully teach me how to ride it.

See you

Andy

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