QingQi U-Zeal (轻骑 125-3B): Back to the Basics

I went to that shop off 水西门大街 to ask about the Regal Raptor 350cc chopper/cruiser. I didn't buy the Raptor eventually, I bought this:
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At a price of 7980 yuan this looks like at attractive purchase.
I've ridden it around and I understand that I've been wrong about bikes for 6 years plus.
125cc is enough for city traffic. That's it. And you can an attractive 125cc bike for a third of a price of, say, Suzuki GW250 (which is, actually, a beautifully engineered machine).
Anyways, the bike itself.
Looks:
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The bike looks. There was Bonneville and Kawasaki W400/650/800 and Kawasaki BJ250 (Estrella). And now there's this. QingQi U-Zeal. Minimum says it. Nothing extra, pretty basic. Still someone at QingQi got the classic style and penned a recognizeable bike that differs from other Chinese offerings.

Handling:
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Non-adjustable front fork, spring-rebound rear shocks. All simple. What surprised me, though, is that the suspension is pretty sharp and allows to steer the bike like you'd want. I'm not a cornering pro neither I am a racer, but I feel that this suspension allows for sharper turns than those I put it through :)
Tyres on it are "Kingstone" 90/90-18 front; 120/80-16 rear. Can't say anything about tyres, seem to be ok. That's not a supersport anyway so I guess the tyres match.

Comfort:
My wife complained about not having enough room on the back of it and she said it was a much harsher ride than her Suzuki EN150-A. As for me, I don't really get the footpeg position. Were they forward controls, they'd've been OK. Were they center mounted, would've been fine too. They are neither. Located somewhere inbetween of the aforementioned two places, they make the riding position feel weird.
Maybe for an average Chinese rider that'd be a semi-chopper posture. Me, I feel, well, weird. Given that you can't grab the tank with your knees it's very strange.
Not that it's uncomfortable, though. It's OK. Still I doubt it'll feel natural on a long ride.

Insides:
The bike is powered by a QingQi 125cc engine that has strange marking on it:
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Don't know what "GS" refers to, but to me it sounds like a Suzuki engine series marking(probably rebranded/reverse-engineered/stolen/whatever).
The bike has a Mikuni carburettor with a choke on its side and that's cool for a Chinese bike.
Altogether the engine sound is, well, no sound. Starts easily, charges the battery. All the lights work like they should. The ignition switch has a position where the steering's locked and the lights (front and rear) are on.
Oh, and it has some weird thing under the tank on the front right side, which looks like this:
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It has letters HF on it and the shop sales couldn't explain what it was used for. I haven't had time to reasearch that, so your guess is as good as mine.

The bike has the same front controls as my wife's Suzuki. same brand, same model. Apparently, the engine is similar to that of Suzuki GZ-125. There might be more going on between QingQi and Suzuki than we know about.
In general: feels solid, rides as a 125cc would. Looks great. Will keep you updated.

Suzuki GS125 is a legend model in China. Qinqqi used assemble from CKD . The street term in North = 鈴木王 while Yue-spaeking area (Guangdong/ Guangxi) = 刀仔 (small knife because the big brother Katana had "刀" written on it)

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

Suzuki GS125 is a legend model in China. Qinqqi used assembled from CKD . The street term in North = 鈴木王 while Yue-spaeking area (Guangdong/ Guangxi) = 刀仔 (small knife because the big brother Kanata had "刀" written on it)

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It is. well, so it means I got Suzuki quality without paying the premium :)

Although the riding position isn't that great, a Shaanxi guy finish a Tibet round trip on this model.
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=456775 | http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=456775 :clap:

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

Although the riding position isn't that great, a Shaanxi guy finish a Tibet round trip on this model.
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=456775 | http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=456775 :clap:

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I would assume it's possible. Besides, it's not that it's bad. It's just weird. Actually moving closer to the tank solves it. Or most of it.

Nice choice for a commuter, well done! You're very lucky to live in one of the few cities to still allow bikes.

That weird thing under the tank is a device that sends exhaust gases back into the engine to reduce emissions, i think. I can't remember what it's called. Some people remove them to 'release the power' but i doubt you'd notice any difference.

Happy riding!

http://www.globalsuzuki.com/corp_inf...seas/asia.html

“Everyone knows that” as in an assumption of general knowledge.
“More then we realize” assumes a general lack of knowledge.

Both are examples in the use of logical manipulations…..I wish they would teach the use of logical manipulation to adolescents, then maybe as adults they will then see them in content, in life.

Qingqi is a Suzuki partner in China and that specific design is a product of a joint design exercise, CCW designed the bike. The same bikes are being offered in the UK as an HMC Classic, they are also offered as a brand called SOMOTO and following the ZONTES bikes into the UK market, which cost allot less. Haoijin is behind those, the Monster , Panther and Tiger are actually stylish little bikes.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-4b-YXwNxCsDYg

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Originally Posted by felix

Nice choice for a commuter, well done! You're very lucky to live in one of the few cities to still allow bikes.

That weird thing under the tank is a device that sends exhaust gases back into the engine to reduce emissions, i think. I can't remember what it's called. Some people remove them to 'release the power' but i doubt you'd notice any difference.

Happy riding!

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Thanks for the info on that thing, much appreciated!
Actually, Nanjing is one of the cities that prohibited bikes so in order to get plates you have to get the old plates, register them in your name, put them on a new bike. It works like in Shanghai and other big cities. It's trouble, it's expensive, but it's still possible and 100% legal.
The cost will be about 8000 - 8500 yuan.

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Originally Posted by MJH

http://www.globalsuzuki.com/corp_inf...seas/asia.html

“Everyone knows that” as in an assumption of general knowledge.
“More then we realize” assumes a general lack of knowledge.

Both are examples in the use of logical manipulations…..I wish they would teach the use of logical manipulation to adolescents, then maybe as adults they will then see them in content, in life.

Qingqi is a Suzuki partner in China and that specific design is a product of a joint design exercise, CCW designed the bike.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-4b-YXwNxCsDYg

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Wow, thanks for the info! Here Suzuki dealerships represent Suzuki-Haojue joint venture and sell two different brand lineups at the same store. Haojue being the budget one and Suzuki being the "original" one.
Qingqi in its turn hasn't clearly communicated their partnership with Suzuki to us, customers. Besides, QingQi doesn't have any dealerships in Nanjing that they'd call their own. QingQi dealership I went to near Nanjing (Tangshan city) had no mentioning of Suzuki being their partner or anything.
Thanks again :)

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Originally Posted by Steve_Halt

... their partnership with Suzuki to us, customers. Besides, QingQi doesn't have any dealerships in Nanjing that they'd call their own. QingQi dealership I went to near Nanjing (Tangshan city) had no mentioning of Suzuki being their partner or anything.
Thanks again :)

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http://www.qssuzuki.com.cn/ is that Qingqi jv 's official site.

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

http://www.qssuzuki.com.cn/ is that Qingqi jv 's official site.

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Thanks, that must be a very-very old website that nobody updates. They don't have GW250 there but they have '97 GSX 250
http://www.qssuzuki.com.cn/product_s...mall=3&proid=5

That site don't had GW250 because it's made by "enemy" http://www.haojue.com/
http://info.motor.hc360.com/2007/11/28083723732.shtml had interesting story

Being that I am an old SOB, I really like the classic look of your new steed.

Have you ever ridden over the new bridge to the island? Nothing really earth shattering as far a ride but kind of a good way to spend an afternoon, especially during the week when no traffic. There is a loop around the entire island. Let us know if you want to go take your new rides on an afternoon island test ride and we will do our best to meet up with you guys.

Enjoy the new ride and if I remember and read correctly in another post your wife has a new ride that I hope she enjoys too!

I assume that Suzuki sold the rights to the 250cc to Qingqi as they are not making and selling them in China themselves, not even the 200cc either.


Qingqi Suzuki sells the GS125 and to the tune of about a million….since its introduction 20years ago, according to that website.


http://dayerses.com/data_images/post...-gs-125-03.jpg


I assume that Jinan Qingqi paid for the rights to the 200cc and 250cc….those would be or could be a called specialized in china and not main stream market, the mainstream is primarily rural sales, as those are the high volume sales. I see awkwardness as they attempt to develop that domestic market and also simultaneously an export market as well.


I would say they followed what was a logical progression, but really should have developed a bigger bike line as all the attention is going to what is missing in the market, multi-cylinder larger displacement models. But in order to justify such a big initiative the products have to have global distributions, like the GW250. But Haojue is not selling the GW250 under its name is it? It is all some sort of chess game for rights. Anything Suzuki makes in china can be globally distributed, simply because they have the established network in place.

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

That site don't had GW250 because it's made by "enemy" http://www.haojue.com/
http://info.motor.hc360.com/2007/11/28083723732.shtml had interesting story

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Thanks for the article, kinda hard to read it through, but I managed it fine almost without the help of google translate. Makes me wonder what's that with all those companies. And makes me wonder if GW250 has imported bikes' quality. Also makes me wonder why Haojue brand their GW250 as Suzuki not as Haojue, even though they seem to have rights to.

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Originally Posted by TexasAggie

Being that I am an old SOB, I really like the classic look of your new steed.

Have you ever ridden over the new bridge to the island? Nothing really earth shattering as far a ride but kind of a good way to spend an afternoon, especially during the week when no traffic. There is a loop around the entire island. Let us know if you want to go take your new rides on an afternoon island test ride and we will do our best to meet up with you guys.

Enjoy the new ride and if I remember and read correctly in another post your wife has a new ride that I hope she enjoys too!

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Thanks!
Haven't had time to ride that way. Indeed I'm waiting for September when the students go to school and I'm not so busy at my training center. Will ride down that way one day for sure :)
Yeah, my wife got a Suzuki EN-150 (EFI, 6-speed gearbox, legally plated) and loves it a lot. Pics and info are in this thread: http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...-Suzuki-EN-150

Lots has changed since Honda made Honda which was sold at Honda dealership...
So, to sum it up, the origin of my bike goes as follows:

1. Suzuki and QingQi had cooperation in the past and have now, but Suzukis weren't branded QingQi and vice versa even though there's QingQi Suzuki website: http://www.qssuzuki.com.cn/index.asp
During this cooperation process Jinan QingQi bought rights for Suzuki GS125 engines.
My bike can't be found on that website.

2. There's been widely known Suzuki-Haojue joint venture. Their website's http://www.haojue.com/
and it has both Suzuki and Haojue bikes, but nothing similar to my bike.

3. I tried Suzuki Taiwan http://www.suzukimotor.com.tw/index.php and their website has nothing on my bike.
OK, I'm not surprised, it's not branded Suzuki after all.

4. It's branded QingQi but has no representation on QingQi website http://www.qingqi.com.cn/

5. Something similar can be seen on Somoto website http://www.somoto.cn/products.asp?nid=20 but with a different engine (e.g. their bikes have kickstarter, my bike doesn't). When contacted, Somoto said they didn't distribute their bikes in China.

6. It was designed by CCW, but isn't featured on their website either http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/

Well, what can I say, TIC...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdCtO80WYto
In different shape, same rear tyre size http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17299710.htm

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdCtO80WYto
In different shape, same rear tyre size http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17299710.htm

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Aaaargh, youtube links...
Me China No Youtube :(

Judging by the pics in that motorfans thread QingQi had hard time figuring the ideal tank/exhaust pipe design combination

Suzuki did not make the GSX250 engine in China, they must have imported and assembled them in China maybe they manufactured some parts in china, but they certainly never made its engine in China. The Chinese motorcycle industry copied the shit out of the GSX250 frame, copied versions of its frame are seen on a bunch of different manufacturers models.


The CCW version is called the ACE….
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17259135.htm


They likely are sharing a supply chain for the shared bits.

The Suzuki GSX250 was a 4-cylinder DOHC 16 valve, so was the Yamaha Zeal, a pretty cool bike, but only offered in Japan. Neither is in production any longer,


Suzuki currently has three 250 engines, two are singles one is a twin. One is the GN250 (Haojue), the other is the engine Qingqi manufactures and the third is the GW250 also made by Haojue. The singles are different the GN250 is older and has 4-valves and a dual exhaust port, the Qingqi 250 is newer a 2-valve and single exhaust.


The Qingqi U-Zeal is a cool little bike. I am also noticing that the images of the CCW Ace version is sporting an OHC and a lowered MSRP…It is not likely to have a Suzuki engine design, more likely a Honda design the Somoto version are stated at 230cc which is likely the 223cc engine. Or it will come with a 229cc OHV that is on the Heist and Misfit?


The connection is through Pioneer, as an investor, according to the Somoto website, but there is also a connection with Haojin (not to be confused with Haojue) but that is only revealed in the address which for both Somoto and Haoijin is the same.

Man, you're THE source of information!

Somoto's 020-82799933
Haojin Trading in '06 http://020.uni86.net/yp/msg-0203722085516-020.html | http://www.cnpulsar.com/about.asp?fl...B5%CE%D2%C3%C7

Is that the design center “Pulsar” in Jinan?


This page actually has the SOMOTO brand name on it…..

My suggestion would be to attempt to bring Wonjan into the SUMOTO group, to develop around the GN250 engine? In return to get access to that engine and its associated parts.


http://www.wonjan.cn/


Same style bike as the U-ZEAL, it just has a bigger frame.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2668/3...0cb_z.jpg?zz=1
PS. The fork sleeves make the front look more substantial…thicker, heavier and not so thin looking. Plus they actually protect the fork cylinders.

Looks cool. It does. Suzuki branded... I like the fork sleeves, might probably install those on mine.

Suzuki still makes the Grass tracker, they sell them in Japan they come in to versions
They both come with the J438 engine (same engine Qingqi manufactures, 249cc 2-valve SOHC) with EFI.


Grass Tracker Bigboy:
Height/width/length: 2,200 mm / 910mm / 1,145 mm
Seat Height/Weight: 790mm / 139kg (31.1inches)/(306lbs)
http://www1.suzuki.co.jp/motor/grass...img/bb_etb.jpg


GrassTracker
Height/width/length: 2,050 mm / 900mm / 1,130 mm
Seat Height/Weight: 750mm / 136kg (29.5inches)/(299lbs)
http://www1.suzuki.co.jp/motor/grass...ges/gt_019.jpg

The GN250 engine was what was originally in the Grass Trackers, that is the engine in the first image, the orange and white bike, see the dual exhaust that represents what Suzuki called a TDCO (twin dome combustion chamber) that engine is a 249cc 4-valve SOHC.


Haojue manufactures the engine in china as part of the Grand River Group and is affiliated with Wonjan that also sells the GN250 engine. It looks like that engine is beign phased out. It is offered in a model in the USA called a GZ250, which was last imported in 2010.

I suspect that the GN250 cannot meet European or Chinese emissions, but it does meet the USA emissions and certainly the Russian emissions as well. Those are two markets that a GN250 based grass tracker could sell into. I would not mind seeing a connection with SOMOTO and Baltmotors. I see Kaliningrad as a potential production center for the model, because the retail cost of what is coming out of that center are reasonable.


That would be parallel production centers, one in the Russian oblast and one in the USA or China if the former cannot bring products to the market at under current market prices.
Even if the units are bought as completely knocked down they could be still manufactured in china, the CBK source being Wonjan, the production center would be were SOMOTO is currently operating out of in china.


Here is the part I guess makes me sound like the one guy banker….in order to manage that you need to code parts into a relational process management system. That’s a distributed process management system, that uses data sets that can be accessed through the system at various functional levels. It is primarily based on coded VIN numbers. Otherwise you will not be able to grow beyond a certain point, eventually the growth will render dysfunction, it has to be what is called scalable and ideally takes that form early on.

OK, if we have exhausted all possible combinations, let's get back to Steve's fanciest-cabbage-bike-ever-made. :lol8:

Steve, show us more details: breaks, gauges, foot pegs, lights, this HF contraption...