New CF Moto TR650

Attachment 7859 TR650 this is what 50000rmb buys with tax and plate....very smooth, fast and wants to pull out of my hands when travelling at 100kmh and then opening the trottle and shifting up. grabs too much attention and the chinese want to touch every part of it when it is parked. gets hot under my ass when stopped in 35 degree heat but engine temp very good. it took 3 months to get it as i ordered when i visited the factory near Hangzhou...available in the US now the price for export..if you buy several is about half the price i paid here. of course one would have to pay duties etc...

What are your views on the construction quality and paint? How have you found the rear luggage cases?
Can they be removed?
Will the rear luggage rack take a topbox if one wanted to mount one?
How about the lack of a centre stand especially when it comes to chain maintenance time, or wanting to remove the rear wheel?
The fit and finish of the plastics?
I'd assume yours is the first series seeing as you ordered 3 months ago. Any teething problems or recall?
Any storage under the seat?
How about the tupperware up front, any small stowage compartments up there?
What's involved in the tupperware removal?
Any MP3/FM receiver fitted like on the CF250T-VIP or Jetmax?
How about the seat, comfy for all day riding or no? Hows the front screen go with wind buffeting etc?

I'm looking forward to your reports moving forward.

Are you aware that CFMoto will be manufacturing a adventure/dual purpose bike based on the 650 engine... so that will round out the offerings with a naked 650NK, touring 650TR and an 650 adventurer...

If one bought 3 of the 650TR's here there'd also be a favourable deal (ex factory not from a dealer). I know that for a fact. But as you say in many markets abroad there'd be additional costs e.g. duties etc. And as most know America still represents the biggest market especially in motorcycles (though not scooters), which is why many items/accessories I want to buy for any one of my bikes can be bought in America for around half the cost I can get in OZ/NZ.

seat is very soft for long ride...plastics good, side bags hold a lot and has the release for the seat..but no seat storage.
paint is very pretty...looks nice in soft light like a Burgundy wife...more red when sun hits it. dont know why no center stand...heavy???
good i got later than before...delayed delivery because of a gear or something from Japan....not sure but i had it two weeks.....450 kilometers fit and finish good.
dont know if side storage is removal,,,,and center plate in back is quite large for storage box...which i have seen.
Attachment 7861 there is two small compartment in front..one is lockable..the other is not but get vvvvvery hot.. there appears to be two places for speakers....holes in a circle format...but nothing there now....
leds..cannot be seen during the day
time will tell more

Agree the red color looks very nice in the one picture of your bike we've seen. Curious about the turning radius on that bike, given how snugly the front wheel is tucked up under the fuselage. Have not seen this bike in the wild, nor have I seen too many pictures. The two images we see in this thread -- your red steed and the gray one just posted -- make clear that this bike is much more of a sport tourer than a dual sport. Apart from the higher bars, which I assume give a more neutral riding position, the front end looks a bit like a faired Ninja -- definitely a sport bike at heart like the 650NK.

I'm very keen to see how Chunfeng approaches the dual sport that Bikerdoc says is now in advanced development. So far, they have nothing in their growing stable that resembles a dual sport, which supposedly is the fastest-growing (or slowest-shrinking) segment of the motorcycle market in Europe and America.

keep it coming!

cheers

it is an NK...when i was at the factory..here is the photo.....i test drove the TR and then the chief driver drove it and put it in a wheeeeeeelie......top to bottom and travelled a bit.....skidded to a point then turned back without stopping..burning rubber as he returned...i thought.....ahhh can you do that again ???so i can get my camera...but i didnt say it
Attachment 7864 this was taken three months ago....i guess the open slot is for the future bike...he he

this was fun...delivery...right out of the crate straight from the factory....yes..they put a small chip in it somehow...nothing to assembly but attach the windshield. :goodtime: photo of D-day oops

Attachment 7866 oops here is the photo...didnt upload the first time....:lol8:

Here are a couple of pics to compare, a Honda RR150 and a CFMOTO 650 TR.

Look at the size difference, the Tr leaves me standing , Very fast for( a chinese Bike) so fast that i thought i had stopped while traveling 100kph lol.........Attachment 7881Attachment 7882Attachment 7883

First 1000 kilometers, and no problems but a bolt that holds a plastic piece that wants to fall out. Very smooth and fast. Hot under the seat but it has been 35 degrees. The bright light needs adjusting, pointing to trees above, hope it is easy to adjust. Paint is good. The bike is heavy but it is what it is 650. I guess for more money they could add weight saving components. It performance remains the same in the future I will be very happy with this piece of Chinese machinery. i understand it is built for export.:thumbsup:

The main headlight beam shoots off into the sky is what Kikikillercat means, low beam is ok, but the lights are not as bright as a car which the broshure states.
All in all a very good solid bike, only the lights and heat dissplacement or lack of are the issues so far, it really could do with a centre stand also.

ok...so I found it is very easy....not by reading the manual in chinese...how to adjust the lights...CFMoto did a great job by placing knobs behind the headlight assembly which can be reached by putting my hand down in front of the handlebars...very cool
not tested yet but I hope going around corners will be better n the mountains.. countersteering makes it worse..no?:popcorn:

any updates on your 650TR? Have you upgraded anything yet? You mentioned that the LED's were not very bright, are you referring to the front LED's built into the headlight housing? I rode my Jetmax down to Taizhou last week, nice fine day to visit the CFMoto Zhejiang agent shop specifically to see the 650TR in the flesh. It was shorter and nicer ride than going to visit CFMoto factory in Hangzhou. I must say I did like the 650TR, but found that there is not really any place to mount a centre stand even if removing the exhaust collector box with an slimmer after market system. The engine is attached and hangs from the frame, meaning from what I could tell laying on the shop floor on my back and looking under the bike that the engine is a stressed member of the frame. Overall fit and finish were nice. There's no trip meter and the rear side cases/bags cannot be removed without undoing bolts, which is a pity. The front screen is non-adjustable, and seems to sit a little too low for my liking. Not being able to fit a centre stand was and is the deal breaker for me. YMMV.

yes no centerstand, if i put the kick stand down it cuts the motor, which I like. I guess center stand adds weight. It seems heavy as it is. I like the low front, the mirrors under the bars is 'brilliant' very easy to use/see and no, Mikeymouse looking mirrors sticking up in the air...so to speak.
I like the motor it is very smooth as is shifting and the like. It draw attention from every Chinese for kilometers around. The sound of the motor is enchanting for motor lovers...unique like ferrari.
I ve had it on some dirt road sections...not of my choice..but this is china...and it did well.
yes boxes do not come off easily,,,but i like the storage without a doubt. the top boxes on motorcycles do bounce,,,these do not....so i like that.
the headlights are very bright...., leds are just a trim...i run with the lights on for saftety...though it confuses the hell out the chinese...'you wasting energy''''
go figure
If you can work it out...go to Guangzhou in October to the Canton Fair,,,you must register on line,,,,make up a company in your home country ect...its free and every motorcycle chinese manufacture is there including CFMoto to check out all the possiblities in China and talk to the factory....they speak english..
let me know if you are wanting to go:taz:

Canton Fair... hmmm maybe... I already talk with a couple of people in CFMoto... I have been to the factory in Hangzhou... also know one marketing guy who has left there, but still has good relations with boss of CFMoto. Pity though the marketing guy is not a motorcycle freak, so any detail I talk with him about goes way over his head...

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Canton Fair... hmmm maybe... I already talk with a couple of people in CFMoto... I have been to the factory in Hangzhou... also know one marketing guy who has left there, but still has good relations with boss of CFMoto. Pity though the marketing guy is not a motorcycle freak, so any detail I talk with him about goes way over his head...

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I spoke with Tom from CFMoto..he speaks English very well and is involved in export sales..he was at the fair last spring. The export price is half the cost of buying here in china..but of course the bike or bikes are in china..shipping, import fees transportation in the foreign country...dept of transporation etc...adds up
i bought direct from factory still same price as i had visited in April.
they have a chief test driver there whom i met, he could help you..but no english.
from a dead stop he put the TR straight up in the air and continued down the road like that.:riding:

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Originally Posted by bikerdoc

What are your views on the construction quality and paint? How have you found the rear luggage cases?
Can they be removed?
Will the rear luggage rack take a topbox if one wanted to mount one?
How about the lack of a centre stand especially when it comes to chain maintenance time, or wanting to remove the rear wheel?
The fit and finish of the plastics?
I'd assume yours is the first series seeing as you ordered 3 months ago. Any teething problems or recall?
Any storage under the seat?
How about the tupperware up front, any small stowage compartments up there?
What's involved in the tupperware removal?
Any MP3/FM receiver fitted like on the CF250T-VIP or Jetmax?
How about the seat, comfy for all day riding or no? Hows the front screen go with wind buffeting etc?

I'm looking forward to your reports moving forward.

Are you aware that CFMoto will be manufacturing a adventure/dual purpose bike based on the 650 engine... so that will round out the offerings with a naked 650NK, touring 650TR and an 650 adventurer...

If one bought 3 of the 650TR's here there'd also be a favourable deal (ex factory not from a dealer). I know that for a fact. But as you say in many markets abroad there'd be additional costs e.g. duties etc. And as most know America still represents the biggest market especially in motorcycles (though not scooters), which is why many items/accessories I want to buy for any one of my bikes can be bought in America for around half the cost I can get in OZ/NZ.

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We have really enjoyed riding the TR650 around China... about 12000 kms, through Tibet, Qinghai. The story and bike review at

www.bigbiketrip.net (need use vpn if you are in China)
www.weibo.com/bigbiketrip

Rupert & Fanny
South Africa to China

Both bikes are for sale now.... I am presently writing a technical appraisal of bikes and that will address all the points raised. Looking forward to the adventure model next year that we hope to ride from Alaska to Chile.

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Originally Posted by rupertu

We have really enjoyed riding the TR650 around China... about 12000 kms, through Tibet, Qinghai. The story and bike review at

www.bigbiketrip.net
www.weibo.com/bigbiketrip

Rupert & Fanny
South Africa to China

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Originally Posted by rupertu

We have really enjoyed riding the TR650 around China... about 12000 kms, through Tibet, Qinghai. The story and bike review at

www.bigbiketrip.net
www.weibo.com/bigbiketrip

Rupert & Fanny
South Africa to China

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I'm in awe of what you accomplished, fantastic trip report. I can't believe that HK residence card trick got you through Tibet. I thought about it many times, but assumed it wouldn't work for a white guy.

Thanks for sharing your adventure!

Cheers!
ChinaV

Thanks for support and encouragement ... we enjoyed the trip very much. As a diehard KTM fan and previous owner of a racing spec R1 and a British spec Suzuki Hayabusa (among 30 odd other bikes in my life) I was not expecting much from the CFMoto TR 650. I read some poor reviews which were based on nothing except that it looked like a copy of a Honda/kawasaki and were made in China... but we rode the bikes on every surface China has to offer and they were great. Very sweet engine, nice balance, reliable and enjoyable easy riding.... very impressed and at the price excellent value for money. If the engine is put in an good adventure bike (I am sure KTM will be involved) then its going to be an affordable round the worlder and fill a gap left and never replaced by that iconic adventure twin from Honda (The Africa Twin). I am a big Kawasaki KLR fan too, and there is a very good argument for taking a simple 650 thumper to the back end of beyond, but a twin offers a smoother more powerful ride and so I guess we are all waiting to see if KTM make a 800 twin or use the CFmoto 650 engine to produce the bike we are all waiting for. A big quantum leap in Chinese bike manufacturing for sure... now all we need is for the Chinese authorities to allow bikes on highways and price motorcycle licence plates at appropriate prices. I am sure it will happen.

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I'm in awe of what you accomplished, fantastic trip report. I can't believe that HK residence card trick got you through Tibet. I thought about it many times, but assumed it wouldn't work for a white guy.

Thanks for sharing your adventure!

Cheers!
ChinaV

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The links you provided don't work so well. Would you like to put your own thread under 'ride reports'? :mwink:

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Originally Posted by rupertu

If the engine is put in an good adventure bike (I am sure KTM will be involved) then its going to be an affordable round the worlder and fill a gap left and never replaced by that iconic adventure twin from Honda (The Africa Twin).

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I drink to that! :goodtime:

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Originally Posted by kikikillercat

it is an NK...when i was at the factory..here is the photo.....i test drove the TR and then the chief driver drove it and put it in a wheeeeeeelie......top to bottom and travelled a bit.....skidded to a point then turned back without stopping..burning rubber as he returned...i thought.....ahhh can you do that again ???so i can get my camera...but i didnt say it
Attachment 7864 this was taken three months ago....i guess the open slot is for the future bike...he he

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Thinking the answer to the centre stand lies in this photo.. I've been trying to get 1 of these.

The 650TR has the mounting tabs pre-welded on the underside of the swingarm both sides, to accept the fitting of the "mounting posts" for the bike/motorcycle race (paddock) stand... the "mounting posts" are needed to be purchased separately and are available on Taobao for between 元20-70 per pair. A centre stand is not something that can be easily fitted to the 650 due to both the placement of the muffler catalytic converter collector box, and the inherent design of the engine being a stressed member of the frame. Meaning there is no frame bosses running under the engine that could be used to mount a centre stand.

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The 650TR has the mounting tabs pre-welded on the underside of the swingarm both sides, to accept the fitting of the "mounting posts" for the bike/motorcycle stand... the "mounting posts" are needed to be purchased separately and are available on Taobao for between 元20-70 per pair. A centre stand is not something that can be easily fitted to the 650 due to both the placement of the muffler collector box, and the inherent design of the engine being a stressed member of the frame. Meaning there is no frame bosses running under the engine that could be used to mount a centre stand.

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This is a shame. I missed centre stand. Would try to get a bike with centre stand next time.

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This is a shame. I missed centre stand. Would try to get a bike with centre stand next time.

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You can buy a race (paddock) stand though you will also need to buy and fit some bobbins too.

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Originally Posted by bikerdoc

You can buy a race (paddock) stand though you will also need to buy and fit some bobbins too.

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Ditto

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I bought the TR and a paddock stand at the same time.......job done!

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Originally Posted by DavidC

This is a shame. I missed centre stand. Would try to get a bike with centre stand next time.

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Forgot to mention that you best check the swing-arm to see that it has the lugs or prefabricated & threaded mounting points for the bobbins as there has been one 650TR in one thread or another here on MCM which it was determined didn't have aforementioned mounting points on the swing-arm which came as a surprise.

Thanks bikerdoc. Have fitted the bobbins. Now to search for a rear paddock stand. The first one I got, the mounting hook got bend after few uses.