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Jialing JH600B-A Sidecar Removability?
I am looking to get a new bike in Shanghai for both weekend use and longer touring. I am pretty keen on the idea of getting a Jialing Sidecar outfit, but I would not want the sidecar attached all the time. I realise that it is an integrated frame and so removing the sidecar isn't going to be a straight forward job, but I am wondering if anyone here has any experience with this?
I have previously owned a Triumph Bonneville with a Watsonian Sidecar (see below) and so have a bit of experience with removable outfits so I am thinking that there should be a way of separating the Jialing and then customising a 3 or 4 bracket mounting system.
I am assuming the braking system and electrical loom would need some modifying as well for ease of separation and reattachment.
Any suggestions, concerns, help in this regard would be much appreciated!?!
Furthermore, I went to see LZD today about buying one and he seemed pretty slow to deal with so if anyone has a direct contact with some sales at Jialing then their details would be much appreciated. Also, what is the standard time frame for getting one ordered? I really need to get one sorted for a trip at the end of September. Do people reckon that this is feasible?
If anyone had an outfit they are looking to sell please pm me!
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she's a beauty mate, good luck with the hunt!
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you will need a solution for the steered sidecar wheel. the steering is realized by cable from bike steering head to sidecar.
i can imagine to block sidecar steering should be considerable.
check also if the sidecar wheel is in the brake circut. cant remember right now.
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tombaxers
I am pretty keen on the idea of getting a Jialing Sidecar outfit, but I would not want the sidecar attached all the time. I realise that it is an integrated frame and so removing the sidecar isn't going to be a straight forward job, but I am wondering if anyone here has any experience with this?
Picked up our JL JH600B-A last Thursday and put 200k's on it after getting the temporary plate on Saturday morning.
The Jialing JH600B-A has four forward gears and one reverse (two wheel JH600 = 5 forward gears) and the sidecar rig is geared quite low to operate as a two wheeled bike in my personal opinion (actually while crusising at 4000rpm / 70k's I am always trying to shift into 5th. gear).
Looking extensively at the sidecar rig in our garage for a few days, its quite a job to detach / attach the sidecar.
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tombaxers
Furthermore, I went to see LZD today about buying one and he seemed pretty slow to deal with so if anyone has a direct contact with some sales at Jialing then their details would be much appreciated. Also, what is the standard time frame for getting one ordered? I really need to get one sorted for a trip at the end of September. Do people reckon that this is feasible?
During pick-up of the sidecar rig on Thursday we were told ours was the last one from the factory for 3-6 month as they relocate the factory (JL-JH600B-A sidecars / not the two wheeled version), don't know they told us the whole story as TIC = This Is China! comes into play every other day.
As always, check China's favourite shopping place = TAOBAO (posted a link somewhere).
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LZD once told me that the three wheeler is licensed as just that and would not be legal if the sidecar were removed. Also, please note the square profile of the tires; those would nor corner well at all if you were leaning to turn.
In my humble opinion, the JH600B is not going to serve you well as a "convertible" bike.
Cheers!
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euphonius
LZD once told me that the three wheeler is licensed as just that and would not be legal if the sidecar were removed. Also, please note the square profile of the tires; those would nor corner well at all if you were leaning to turn.
In my humble opinion, the JH600B is not going to serve you well as a "convertible" bike.
Cheers!
100% spot on about tyres and rego! 'nuff said......
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tombaxers
.....I am thinking that there should be a way of separating the Jialing and then customising a 3 or 4 bracket mounting system. I am assuming the braking system and electrical loom would need some modifying as well for ease of separation and reattachment.
So you are looking a the Jialing and want the verstility of both a 2-wheel verson and a sidecar version.
If separating the sidecar on the JB600 proves difficult due to the integrated frame, 3rd wheel steering mechanism, sprockets/gearing, etc.
Why not look into fabricating a sidecar for the JH600 (simliar to the kit on your Bonneville)? Sure there are sidecar fabricators around Shanghai who can rig this this together for you.
Understand you are pressed for time, but this may prove easier than actually reengineernig the JB.
Maybe Nostalgie has something to say on this....
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MotoKai
Why not look into fabricating a sidecar for the JH600 (simliar to the kit on your Bonneville)? Sure there are sidecar fabricators around Shanghai who can rig this this together for you.
legal issues (rego) come into play as it's either a sidecar or a 2-wheel bike...... TIC = This Is China!
Jim Bryant (Beijing) did a few sidecar rig conversions (BMW / HD), get in touch with him: http://www.bmwsidecar.com
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TB-Racing, Euphonius, Shuben, Motokai, many thanks all of you for the informed feedback on this!
I have decided to bite the bullet and have settled for a fulltime 3-wheeler and placed a deposit with Jialing on Monday for a Black Edition JH600B-A :thumbsup:. They claim (they being a Mr Liu with Weixin ID: motor-online (摩界书生)) that they can definitely get it ready for collection by the 20th September, which will give me just over a week to fly out to Chongqing and hopefully get it on the train to Dunhuang where we are intending on beginning the trip around the 29th Sep. Can I trust these guys to meet this deadline?
TB-Racing, I also asked about the moving of the factory and he said they are moving but the old factory is still open and they still have stock of parts to build new ones from. My concern here is that having read various long MCM threads about Jialing there is the potential for them to use old parts on the bike build. I have already made very sure that it will be the 3.0 ECU. Do you guys think this concern warranted or not? If so, can I ask you guys to come up with a list of parts that I should be looking out for that are "old" editions.
In fact I had already placed the deposit when I came across and hauled my way through the 42 page thread on the Stalling and Cut-Out issues, which made for some pretty gruesome reading, but hopefully that all seems to have been settled no?
Pfaelzer's 'My new JH600' thread with all the mods made for much better reading and am loving the fact that some of you guys have been putting so much time and effort to improving Chinamotos.
Cheers for now, and I will keep this updated with my experiences with Jialing (ohh I am relishing it from what I have read to date!), the new bike (hopefully if it arrives in time) and a ride report of it's first proper outing. Which incidentally, seeing as I will have essentially no time at all to make the necessary mods or upgrades to make the outfit touring worthy I would very much appreciate any feedback from you guys about what is gonna be the most important things to change-out/ modify and also a list of spare parts that I should be considering taking with me for a 2 week all terrain trip. Also, I am gonna shoot for temporary Chongqing plates for the duration of the trip and sort Shanghai out in due course... does this sound like it'll work?
Very excited to finally be getting sorted with wheels up here in Shanghai, but I have this nagging feeling that I don't end up regretting this decision and wish I had gone with one of Pikey Tom's trusty Yinggangs or a CFMoto both with their exemplary new service records! :mwink:
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Dear Tom,
Greetings and congrats on pulling the trigger. I think you'll get what you want and will be pleased with the outcome. Here's why:
First, Jialing makes far, far more JH600Bs than they do two-wheelers, selling them by the thousands to the military and police. Unlike the JH600A, which is made only as orders come in, I believe they do actual production runs for the B.
Second, Jialing does seem to have overcome the stalling issues with the "A" series, and the 3.0 ECU is central to this build. The poor performance and service problems some of us were having had to do entirely with flaws in the earlier 2.0 build, and Jialing's reluctance to admit to these problems and repair them. In their minds, the A build solved the problems, and their minds don't have a lot of room for the complaints of buyers of earlier builds.
Third, just looking at the record, Jialing does not have a history of missing delivery promises. I can't remember anyone having problems with delayed delivery. I, too, flew up to Chongqing to fetch mine, and it was ready when they said it would be. Production is the one thing Jialing seems to do well. Just forget about marketing and service.....
I'm also surprised that you were able to order the bike in black. In the past, to my knowledge, they offered the B in all colors as long as they were PLA green.
Apart from new owner TB-Racing, there are several JH600B-As in use here in Shanghai, if you'd like to consult further about what you are getting into. I also have contacts for the key guys in Chongqing. It would be great if you could meet them during your visit. I can PM these to you if you like.
Cheers!
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Also, I am gonna shoot for temporary Chongqing plates for the duration of the trip and sort Shanghai out in due course... does this sound like it'll work?
JL JH600B's can not be plated in Shanghai (A/B/C license-registration) and rego only possible for Chinese (foreigners not allowed to register sidecars in Shanghai according to Mr.Fan / JL LZD). We had the official JL invoice made out to the Chinese person the bike gets registered to and we are going for registration and licensing next week once I am back in Shanghai, more later......
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TB-Racing
JL JH600B's can not be plated in Shanghai (A/B/C license-registration) and rego only possible for Chinese (foreigners not allowed to register sidecars in Shanghai according to Mr.Fan / JL LZD). We had the official JL invoice made out to the Chinese person the bike gets registered to and we are going for registration and licensing next week once I am back in Shanghai, more later......
Interesting this, sounds like another ballache to overcome. I am wondering if getting a Shanghai Residence Card ('B' Permit) that I believe Euphonius posted on a few years back would solve this problem. As far as I remember this 'B' permit essentially makes us foreigners into born & bred locals on paper. I'd be keen to get Euphonius's takes on this? I doubt that Mr.Fan or LZD would know if this would work, so which official funloving Government Bureau do you reckon I would need to approach to find out?
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Sorry, have no idea how the Shanghai Residence Card ('B' Permit)" could be used or would be helpful for vehicle registration. We checked into Shanghai "C" company registration but were told its a no go.As I will use the bike mostly in the Shanghai suburbs and in other provinces a legit plate / ergo somewhere will do (Huzhou / Zhejiang arranged by LZD / Fan).
Had no problems at all to register my 2-wheel import bike in my name in Shanghai last November, took the dealer a week and all paperwork / insurance is in my name and easy to export the bike later on if needed.
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euphonius
Greetings and congrats on pulling the trigger. I think you'll get what you want and will be pleased with the outcome.
Very glad to hear it!
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euphonius
I'm also surprised that you were able to order the bike in black. In the past, to my knowledge, they offered the B in all colors as long as they were PLA green.
If you go to Jialing's official sales page on Taobao here, you will see that they are offering the black one as standard here. The whole outfit looks fairly aggressive in the PLA green or camouflage so I thought black could look a little better, anyhow, we will see! I've got a black helmet and black kit, so Nightrider aside I'm gonna have to get some 3M hi-vis stickers onto something so I get seen a bit more easily.
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euphonius
Apart from new owner TB-Racing, there are several JH600B-As in use here in Shanghai, if you'd like to consult further about what you are getting into. I also have contacts for the key guys in Chongqing. It would be great if you could meet them during your visit. I can PM these to you if you like.
Yes please, that would be much appreciated.!
Cheers,
Tommy
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Dear Tom,
When I registered my JH600 back in 2010, it was the first of its kind in Shanghai. So there was a special procedure to register the model with the Shanghai Vehicle Management Bureau, and this required an exchange of paperwork with the factory detailing the model's specifications. Because my bike was the first specimen to be registered under that model category, we went through a special procedure to ensure that my bike matched the dimensions and other specifications listed in the model description. The problem with the JH600B is that Shanghai's Vehicle Management Bureau apparently has not yet agreed to add this model to the list of bikes that can be legally registered here.
In other words, this has nothing to do with you and your legal status, and has everything to do with the Shanghai authorities' willingness to allow this model of sidecar bike to be registered in Shanghai. In the past, the CJ750 was on the list of registrable bikes in Shanghai, but was delisted a couple of years ago. For this reason, Xiao Fan now has to go to Hubei for plates that are legal but not particularly welcome in Shanghai, especially inside the Zhongshan Ring. Liu Zhidong is definitely on top of this, though I do not think he ever deals directly with the Vehicle Management Bureau; rather, he deals with freelance fixers at the VMB who keep their finger on the pulse of what's allowed and what's not.
So the B Zheng is not a magic bullet. It was useful a couple of years ago when the VMB was not accepting your local police Temporary Registration Certificate as a legal link between your (foreign) passport name and your Chinese name.
I have another friend, a senior cop who is also a CJ750 fanatic, who at a minimum should be able to give me an update on whether the JH600B is on or will be added to the list of registrable bikes. Whether he can make it rain is another matter.
Finally, I think recent Shanghai-based buyers of the JH600B have been finding "registrations of convenience" in Huzhou and other nearby cities in Zhejiang or Jiangsu, and have reported little or no problem riding inside Shanghai, though they probably steer clear of the inner ring. Hubei plates would make me a bit nervous, since so many of these are fake.
cheers!
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Wow, that would be a real buzz kill if they finally got the JiaLing to a real product level and then it was off the table as an option for Shanghai riders... 90% of my weekday riding is in the downtown Puxi area.
Tommy - keep us posted on your progress with the JH600B-A.3 I'm also seriously considering an addition to my....herd. Was planning to reach out to LZD this week to check on the options/ pricing / delivery / plates / etc.
Anyone know how tough it is to re-paint or change the color on a bike after it is registered? Fan always says its a hassle but hints that there is a way to do it legally.
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TB-Racing
JL JH600B's can not be plated in Shanghai (A/B/C license-registration) and rego only possible for Chinese (foreigners not allowed to register sidecars in Shanghai according to Mr.Fan / JL LZD). We had the official JL invoice made out to the Chinese person the bike gets registered to and we are going for registration and licensing next week once I am back in Shanghai, more later......
TB Racing, do you think I need to get on the case with this and with LZD before I go to Jialing and get the invoice issued so that I can get the paperwork done in the right name in advance of going there? What is the process with LZD? Tell him what you type of paizhao want that he can sort, pay him and receive it? Or is it more complicated than that?
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Finally, I think recent Shanghai-based buyers of the JH600B have been finding "registrations of convenience" in Huzhou and other nearby cities in Zhejiang or Jiangsu, and have reported little or no problem riding inside Shanghai, though they probably steer clear of the inner ring. Hubei plates would make me a bit nervous, since so many of these are fake.
Yep, will definitely need to get something sorted. My plan is to find a simple pull-down door lockup beyond the inner ring to keep as a garage and workshop so outside plates as long as they are real I am hoping should do the job as I will never need or want to ride around downtown. Also thinking of getting my Yama up from Yangshuo to have as a bomb around once the place is sorted.
This garage/ workshop I am going to post separately about to see if anyone is interested in sharing such a place. I already have 2 mates interested, but I want to put some more thought into it first prior to posting.
