Hi,
I am interested in finding out who makes this bike in China - 125 and 150cc. It is imported into South Africa by a company called 'Big Boy' who have a fairly extensive range of bikes and scooters.
Thanks
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Hi,
I am interested in finding out who makes this bike in China - 125 and 150cc. It is imported into South Africa by a company called 'Big Boy' who have a fairly extensive range of bikes and scooters.
Thanks
That is a CG125 and every single manufacturer in China makes them.
This is my favorite version of a CG125, its made by Wuyang
http://en.wuyangmotor.com/newEbiz1/B...rName=BigImage
Wuyang is partnered with Honda and also is separately Guangzhou Wuyang Motors Co., Ltd,
and is part of the Guangzhou Motors Group The former Wuyang Honda is a 50/50 venture.
Here is the Alibaba site for Wuyang the domestic subsidiary.
Big Boy is importing from a number of manufacturers, not just one.
The prices seem very reasonable. That CG125 has an MSRP of $980.00 American.
They have a 223cc OHC powered dual sport that looks like a Shineray they are asking $1850.00 for. I am not sure if that is an OHC engine, they claim 12.5kw of power @8500rpm and that would make me think it is or that they are fudging numbers on a OHV engine.
http://www.bigboy.co.za/bb-scooters-...s/xtg200/0.jpg
This is the Shineray, not identical but very close.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...eray200php.jpg
The 200cc is an OHC
http://www.bigboy.co.za/bb-scooters-...s/xtg200/5.jpg
or at least the bike in the image is.
Thanks for the information, I am still thinking about buying one. How would one run the bike in properly so that all the engine parts are correctly bedded in?
For $300.00 more you can get the real Honda.
http://www.honda.co.za/main.aspx?id=72&pid=217
It is also manufactured in Nigeria, so that is better for the African economy overall.
You can get an Honda XR125 for $1,800.00 USD and it be a better choice.
http://www.honda.co.za/images/Motorc...lery_lg_03.jpg
Another feature of riding this bike: Strong muscles in right leg :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17153346_2.htm (Rumor) #39
Thanks for the info. I never looked at new Honda prices as I believed they would be much higher. The prices in the above link are dated 2011. 2012 prices may be a bit higher. Anyway I'm still thinking about it, but it's definitely a better idea to go for a Jap Honda.
Cheers
Yeah the Nigerian Honda 125 does not come with an electronic starter, it is only a kick starter, I was surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by humanbeing
The design of the CB125 is Honda’s, not sure to what level the unit is made in Nigeria? Simply being the same does not mean it is made in China, as much as that it is the same design. It may be only partly but not likely fully made in China?
The News Release does not claim that the units are made in Nigeria, but does lead one to believe that they are by claiming Honda Manufacturing (Nigeria) LTD is a production and sales subsidiary?
http://world.honda.com/news/2011/c11...ria/index.html
It also states
Production capacity : 150,000 units/year
So we cannot be sure…..but here is a Digital Fact Book for Honda, it can be searched and lists Nigeria with production of 23,107 motorcycles for 2010.
That link also shows that Honda's production operations in China produced 1,604,305 motorcycles in 2010. I checked that against chinamotorcycle.com its total, for the two Honda's Wuyang and Sunduro, 1,581,266 a difference of -23,039?
I wonder if that is a coincidence the 23,000 units could be knocked downs and counted twice by Honda and not by china's statisticians?
In 2010 Honda represented 5.95% of total production of Motorcycles in China.
YTD 2012 Honda represents 7.71% of total motorcycle production in China. Honda is taking a share of the total motorcycle production of China at a rate of roughly 0.88% per year from 2010 to YTD 2012.
Then consider total production YTD 2012 for Honda, 741,481
Annualized to a monthly export rate of 50,351units then compared to a production rate of 148,296 units monthly, then roughly 34% of the total motorcycle production of Honda motorcycles in China are exported, the remaining 66% is sold domestically.
The service intervals for the Ace 125 sold in SA are 4000 km and the warranty is 2 years. This suggests that they have confidence in their product and even if it is partially made in China, their QC is obviously up to scratch.
Typical Honda of this class: Shop manual suggest 1st 1K, then every 3kQuote:
Originally Posted by kologha
The chinese made CB125
Parts:http://www.honda-sundiro.com/images/se/SDH125-53.pdf
They are basically the same and both made by Honda…..so what does a comparable Honda branded CB125 sell for in China? I bet that the workers at Sunduro and Wuyang factories earn more then those in the Nigerian factory. Considering the gross sales of the CB125 in Nigeria were $230,000 in 2010, that is not a lot of revenue to run a factory on, then consider all the other associated costs? Too many players spoil the game and in that the economics go down the drain.
How much do the factories get as a tax deduction for exporting per unit and then how much do rural residents in china get for buying a motorcycle?
I believe that these are actually major purchases to most involved and also provided by a major employer as well.
Does Sunduro have its own brand and a separate factory? I know that Wuyang does but they are actually shrinking the Wuyang production down, that being the independent Wuyang ( Guangzhou Motors Group Company) as it has fallen from the 11th largest in 2010 at 940,748 units to the 40th largest in 2012. Guangzhou Motors Group Company currently annualized production estimate for 2012 would be 108,132 a whopping 89% decrease in production since 2010.