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Hello Guys! I just start a forum regarding to X motos. I saw a lot of videos of the xz250r and zx250rr. This company manufacture from juniors to 450cc. I dint see any comment about them.They are selling in China or are just for export.does anybody have one and can tell me the experience. I hope to hear from you soon.Attachment 8522Attachment 8523Attachment 8524Attachment 8525
I have not heard of X motos, but there's so much crap being bolted together in this country it's hard to stay on top of what is and isn't available. Judging by your assembly line photo, they look like the usual parts bin bike with little or no R&D involved. Look at the factory... no safety equipment, no work instructions, parts strewn about all over with no organisation. How can someone build a quality product in an environment like that?
They kind of look decent, but you know the old saying about lipstick on a pig?
Cheers!
ChinaV
I had the chance to see X-motos in German Ebay. From what I could understand, they are simply a compilation of components available in the Chinese market. Nothing more than that.
China V the picture from the left is from a Thailand reseller whos brougth them as CDK. On there web site is a huge one factory.I contact few owners around the world and they said that quality is very good, and there are in you tube very videos of the bike in action and looks in performance good.Here is a picture from the factoryAttachment 8558Attachment 8559
As other posters have commented already there are companies that do not really manufacture motorcycles from the ground up themselves. Instead these companies assemble motorcycles, buying off the shelf parts made by other companies that manufacture various components. It's a huge business model, and there are lots of these specialised manufacturers throughout China though most are centred around ChongQing, where 50% of Chinese motorcycle manufacturing is concentrated. On the China side, I personally have never seen these bikes, which is not to say they aren't available, just that if they are maybe they can only bought on Alibaba (which is a selling platform for international trade) versus Taobao (which concentrates on domestic sales). The bikes might be available through a "normal" bricks and mortar store, but more likely a small enterprise. Certainly I've not seen any at my local neighbourhood motorcycle shops.
This means it's highly likely that these bikes have little in the way of R&D and little to no follow up or after sales support. Even if they do it won't be smooth sailing. Oh, and please don't place too much reliance on photos, because in China photos are easy to come by and are really easily manipulated or staged. Better yet photos are often stolen and altered to suit the purpose. The only way to know for yourself is to see it first hand with your own two eyes, see behind the charades, speak the language, understand the cultural mindset and then divide the result by half.
For nothing in China is what it seems, everything is just for looking, beAware the smoke and mirrors - my proverb.
YMMV
"because in China photos are easy to come by and are really easily manipulated or staged."
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That frame and those forks look like Asiawing ones. If it has more Asiawing components, beware.
You are rigth! They use the same motors as Asiawing in the 250 & 450 models.But if you go thru alibaba xmotos.en.alibaba.com you will see a video of the factory that its bigger than other factories.Also in moto8.comare areporte from one importer in Taiwan who visit the factory.I cant said is real or better than others but looks profesional.This brand is knows in Canada,Germany,Australia,Spain,Portugal,Italy & South America.Its strange that in China nobody see one!They have the xz250 in aircooled,watercooled 2v & 4v motors a complete line( Wich i dont see in others brands) in mx,sm,en.Attachment 8600Attachment 8601Attachment 8602
Its not that strange, some manufactures only export what they manufacture or they have two lines one for export and the other for domestic sales. It is only the brand names that are not in china, the frames and engines are likely plying around tracks in china someplace?
Those are aluminum frames and likely there is one or more sources that are making them, its big country.
All the engines in the three bikes you listed are different, the first is a air cooled and less then 249cc, the second is the Zongshen 249cc water cooled SOHC 4-valve and is the engine Asia wing also has in some of the marketing images I have seen of their 250 motocross model.
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...ycle-LX250.jpg
I cannot identify the engine in the GPX? Its not the 4-valve Zongshen from what I can see.
The GPX is offered in Thailand under ATV Panther?
http://www.atv.co.th/products.php
Here is a link to Zongshen Power they list their engine offerings…
http://www.zse.cc/home.aspx
Here is an image of the Honda 249cc water cooled SOHC 4-valve.
http://www.tokyomods.com/images/engi...0%20Engine.jpg
Its pretty obvious which bike line these groups collectively are going after its the Honda CRF family..
http://world.honda.com/CRF/family/image/img_CRF250X.jpg
The Honda’s 450/250 come in two forms X’s and R’s the only difference is that the X has lights, but not for street use, the lights are just for ridding in the dark.
They also have the F line which is all air cooled and includes the 230 engine above, the first image. Then it also has all the smaller displacement models down to a 50cc horizontal.
Then they have the L line which have the DOHC 4-valve 249cc water cooled and the 223cc SOHC 2-valve air cooled and are both street legal.
Honda makes it own engines, they have casting plants, they have tier one suppliers but they have total control of their supply chain. If you look close you see it, you can actually trace it through its value chain. The entire line is designed entirely to meet high standards and is totally accountable to its high standards.
These Chinese offering are not like that, they are receiving most of their components from suppliers you cannot see and then selling through multiple brand names, through multiple distributors.
From a consumer position you can take a chance on one of them, as a distributor forget it, they will use any success you have in the market to sell to others that will undercut your sales in the market. The price wars leave little margins for any type of real support to the consumers. Eventually they fall into insolvency and then the products get deeper discounts, that is because the failed business auctions off the inventory.
The engine suppliers are feeding all this, they sell engines to everyone and anyone, the frame suppliers the same and also all the component parts as well.
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One of the best 1/4 liter performer, at a fraction of the cost.
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