Night Rider - Be Cautious of Scammers Trying to Cause Accidents to get money

about 1 week ago, i was riding around town (its a small town outside a major city in southern china) with my 150 with my gf on the back with my friend riding my chinese 150

We pulled around a corner of a shopping street, sped up a bit and then BAM, this small shit chinese van jetted out from a sidestreet and stopped in the middle of the street, trying to take up 2 of the 3 lanes on the street. He had seen us coming and thought that we were going fast enough that if he got his van into the road quickly enough, and blocked enough of the road that I would hit him.... well i did not hit him... I am always alert and always ready to break quickly. ... so I did

he then finished turning his right after several seconds delay (probably surpised I stopped and did not hit him) and proceeded to turn another right down the next street... we followed him... he turned another right, and then another right... so we had caught him going in circles, scared a white and black man were now chasing him, he panicked and turned yet another right INTO A DEAD END STREET, so we cornered him in with the 2 bikes and gave him a little scare and then let him go (i do not speak chinese, so I just rage at the F heads in english)

Totally caught the ass, he had gone out with his wife that night to try to cause an accident to try and get some money out of an unsuspecting motorcycle victim.

So... what would you do if this happened to you? Now I always carry weapons on me, to protect myself from a gang doing this sort of thing (as this happens regularly in china, usually it will be a van full of chinese men 3-4 men).

Things that can be done if someone cuts you off and tries to attack you is:
have a WHISTLE - blow it loud, keep blowing it
turn on the motorbike alarm, or have a separate alarm on teh keychain
use pepper spray
use stun gun
use baton
lastly, use knuckles and a knife to defend yourself at close range

What can be done if someone cuts out from the side like that and actually does hit you... since they are still at fault, yet they will probably lie and say you were speeding or something?

I feel like my only recourse would be to beat them to death, as they just risked my life, i could have died... i figure the favor should be returned...

"i do not speak chinese, so I just rage at the F heads in english"

Easy tough guy, I'm sure they would have come to their senses and realized your white privilege isn't something they want to mess with.

"I feel like my only recourse would be to beat them to death, as they just risked my life, i could have died... i figure the favor should be returned..."

Overreacting much?

You sound like a special type of bitter expat in China who, after staying for years in the country still can't speak a lick of Chinese but has plenty of hate for the locals. I saw your kind plenty of times when I lived in Beijing. I remember having lunch at Pizza Hut with my gf and my mum who had flown over from the UK and an American was sitting next to us who was sounding off about "Johnny McChink" and his ugly Chinese ways.

You're talking nonsense Fawkes. If a car hits a bike car pays, that's how it works.

Still not entirely sure that "guy fawkes" is trolling. On the one hand he is saying some incredibly ignorant stuff, but on the other he's asked a few legitimate questions. For now I'm just sitting back with a bag of Doritos, catching up on my MCM and watching the fur fly. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

never, ever carry something like a waepon on you!
shouting is fine enough. I have done this once and it works quite fine. if situations escalated in any way, you should appear as victim and not as agressor.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dont-w...m-the-internet

http://image.shutterstock.com/displa...-101575402.jpg

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too weird if you ask me.

Guy Faukes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask

I watched this the other night, it was pretty good.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1584016/

It's about how creating a fake web persona can go horribly wrong, when fantasy and fabrication collide in a real world encounter. It is behind the new MTV series of the same name.

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

So... what would you do if this happened to you? Now I always carry weapons on me, to protect myself from a gang doing this sort of thing (as this happens regularly in china, usually it will be a van full of chinese men 3-4 men).

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I'd do what I always do, ride on, focus on what's in front, maybe yell or fake a kick after I've passed them...

I doubt a weapon will protect you from falling off ur bike, nor is necessary when simply following them is enough to scare them.

I've seen people caught stealing or doing scams here, they don't get scared, they'll laugh at you like it's funny.

I'm not sure they were trying a "hit and scam" on u.

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

Things that can be done if someone cuts you off and tries to attack you is:
have a WHISTLE - blow it loud, keep blowing it
turn on the motorbike alarm, or have a separate alarm on teh keychain
use pepper spray
use stun gun
use baton
lastly, use knuckles and a knife to defend yourself at close range

What can be done if someone cuts out from the side like that and actually does hit you... since they are still at fault, yet they will probably lie and say you were speeding or something?

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Doing any of those "things that can be done" would just turn any witness this against u, whether he saw them trying to cause a hit or not.

But if on a non registered scooter with a helmet covering ur face, u probably could get away with it, if acting fast.

For close range, u sound like u could consider this:
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Doesn't it look overpowered just to "defend" urself against a chinese van driver and his wife?

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

I feel like my only recourse would be to beat them to death, as they just risked my life, i could have died... i figure the favor should be returned...

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I've had that feeling a few times, just from careless right turners.

They had me fear for my life, why not to let them know how it feels?

Because acting like a criminal makes u a criminal regardless of ur reasons...

Just ride on, don't look back but don't forget, that's what riding is about anyways...

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

You're talking nonsense Fawkes. If a car hits a bike car pays, that's how it works.

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thats good to know, but I would still want to beat the driver if he hit me

Thanks, thats what ive been doing, just riding on after speaking my mind or just showing them with my face (and glvoes)

now that I have gloves with steel protection on the knuckles and fingers... anyone trying to bump me or swipe me quickly retreats once I show the gloves...

I suppose when they know they will die if they want to play games with someone on a motorbike, they smarten up fast

Thats a nice knife. I like the cold steel KOs for boot knives... and now its getting cooler, I can wear boots and bring a boot knive more often, they are really sharp and really good steel

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Originally Posted by braillce

I'd do what I always do, ride on, focus on what's in front, maybe yell or fake a kick after I've passed them...

I doubt a weapon will protect you from falling off ur bike, nor is necessary when simply following them is enough to scare them.

I've seen people caught stealing or doing scams here, they don't get scared, they'll laugh at you like it's funny.

I'm not sure they were trying a "hit and scam" on u.





Doing any of those "things that can be done" would just turn any witness this against u, whether he saw them trying to cause a hit or not.

But if on a non registered scooter with a helmet covering ur face, u probably could get away with it, if acting fast.

For close range, u sound like u could consider this:
Attachment 9158

Doesn't it look overpowered just to "defend" urself against a chinese van driver and his wife?





I've had that feeling a few times, just from careless right turners.

They had me fear for my life, why not to let them know how it feels?

Because acting like a criminal makes u a criminal regardless of ur reasons...

Just ride on, don't look back but don't forget, that's what riding is about anyways...

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to be anon you do not need to be a pacifist... or an activist, we dont all worship ghandi... we are not all hackers... and surely I can not stand for or speak for any other... we are one, we are all.

Therefore as a true collective that believes in true freedom, all should be accepted.... we could say that Anon is the Great Whore of Babalon!

The duality of your consciousness must prevent you from understanding that, hence why its is too weird for you, you can only see in black or white....

though to be honest I'm not really that anon here am I?? The forum should have my IP information by now, unless they cant figure out which one is my real IP.... the owner or admins on this forum should have a good idea where i'm at, unless they are as slow as the masses here...

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Originally Posted by MJH

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dont-w...m-the-internet

http://image.shutterstock.com/displa...-101575402.jpg

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too weird if you ask me.

Guy Faukes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask

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thats good, but I AM NOT A TV... sure chinese look and watch me like I am, and americans think everything is a show for them also...

when a Chnk looks at me, I yell at them and say "IM NOT A F*CKING TV YOU CHNK"

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Originally Posted by MJH

I watched this the other night, it was pretty good.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1584016/

It's about how creating a fake web persona can go horribly wrong, when fantasy and fabrication collide in a real world encounter. It is behind the new MTV series of the same name.

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hahahahhaa

I guess you have not had 4 chinese men jump you from behind and push your wife to the ground!!!!!!!

speak for yourself

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Originally Posted by SabineHartmann

never, ever carry something like a waepon on you!
shouting is fine enough. I have done this once and it works quite fine. if situations escalated in any way, you should appear as victim and not as agressor.

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Originally Posted by Nuhaus

Still not entirely sure that "guy fawkes" is trolling. On the one hand he is saying some incredibly ignorant stuff, but on the other he's asked a few legitimate questions. For now I'm just sitting back with a bag of Doritos, catching up on my MCM and watching the fur fly. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

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I am NOT TROLLING, my topics and replies are ON TOPIC, they are of concern when biking around

I am though being very HONEST AND FRANK, and I am not scared to speak my mind.

When someone is rude to me, I am rude back, you hit me, I hit you back harder thats all, but I am not here to make enemies or troll or flame. I am here to speak of my few real life experiences and get some feedback, useful or not.

I learned a little bit about the GW250 here, and came here because of the photos of the GW250, I did not come here to start fights...

its the chinese or foreigners I meet who usually start the fights, i just finish them

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

Thanks, thats what ive been doing, just riding on after speaking my mind or just showing them with my face (and glvoes)

now that I have gloves with steel protection on the knuckles and fingers... anyone trying to bump me or swipe me quickly retreats once I show the gloves...

I suppose when they know they will die if they want to play games with someone on a motorbike, they smarten up fast

Thats a nice knife. I like the cold steel KOs for boot knives... and now its getting cooler, I can wear boots and bring a boot knive more often, they are really sharp and really good steel

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Yea that's a knuckle duster knife from WWI, pretty thing...

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In the end I think u did good, as hopefully they'll remember and show more respect to smaller vehicles now, while u didn't hurt them.

But if u go around with a knife, I hope that u'll adopt a more zen attitude, and be able to leave it in ur boot when enraged by another one of those "drivers"...

Peace.

Thanks, yeah its just that drivers here have no care of pedestrians or motorbikes or scooters, mopeds etc. No one can change everyone, but if I can get them to think twice and stop doing stupid things, than thats good

the other day I was moving around through stopped traffic at a stop light (like Everyone does here no different), and i was just about to squeeze through in front of one guy when he saw me and slammed on his accelerator pedal and then slamed the breaks, pretending to try to hit/kill me... well i guess he saw the gloves and then let me by after... Im not sure if he didn't like my skin color, my 250 bike or what, i honestly dont care... i know i dont like him for his car and his skin color, so either way... trying to kill me is beyond being jealous or cocky though

if he hit me, he would probably be dead now though, and I would probably not be here replying to your reply reply... but that's the cost of standing up for yourself today... fine

I also went back to where i bought my bike yesterday,... they really loved the 66 back end i got for the GW250, but when they saw my gloves, they tapped the steel and kinda looked scared :) Good to know they work!

and yeah I would NOT USE A KNIFE if someone just hit me, unless it was really bad and on purpose... but if a gang jumps out of a POS chinese mini van and try to attack me, then I better have a knife, baton and gloves, not just gloves or gloves and a baton. If its just an asshole trying to kill me, id rather use the baton and beat him repeatedly instead of just trading lives quickly with a blade.

i havent had any problems with gangs yet, though the garage guys do say that night time accidents are usually the cause of several gang men in a van. I would suppose that people here are too scared to drive their motorbike at 2 am outside of the city, on the highways inbetween cities etc... so honestly not expecting to get much out of the people here (like that one who thinks If i dont reply in 2 days im just a troll... these people who like to sit on the computer and blab all night cant help me much anyway.)

I am probably the olny foreigner with balls to drive around after hours in areas that might be dangerous

From driving around, i find that these gloves are the best single piece (or pair) of protection you can have. The simple sight of these kinds of gloves to chinese scares the shit out of them, in a car or not... once they see these they will rethink their plans

Steel knuckles and stud biker gloves

The great thing about gloves like these, is that its part of moto wear, you already have an "excuse" for having it on, AND they are READILY VISIBLE to other drivers, and if they don't easily see them, a simple fist in the air will make them very noticeable.

A chain with a lock on the end is also a weapon that you can have an "excuse" to carry all the time.

A knife you can have an excuse for also, like carrying it to clear out crap from your chain or wheels or whatever, but yeah, using one on someone is a different story than protecting yourself with your motor gloves or bike lock.

out of the 3 mentioned above, i still think the gloves are the best, as a driver may not view the chain as a weapon (people are really stupid here), and the knife needs to be pulled out, and they might not take that the right way,.. the gloves on the other hand display the understanding that you can not only bash their head in but bash their car hood or window in. it will make them think twice before they risk your life if they see them

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Originally Posted by braillce

Yea that's a knuckle duster knife from WWI, pretty thing...

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In the end I think u did good, as hopefully they'll remember and show more respect to smaller vehicles now, while u didn't hurt them.

But if u go around with a knife, I hope that u'll adopt a more zen attitude, and be able to leave it in ur boot when enraged by another one of those "drivers"...

Peace.

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

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and yeah I would NOT USE A KNIFE if someone just hit me, unless it was really bad and on purpose... but if a gang jumps out of a POS chinese mini van and try to attack me, then I better have a knife, baton and gloves, not just gloves or gloves and a baton. If its just an asshole trying to kill me, id rather use the baton and beat him repeatedly instead of just trading lives quickly with a blade.

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Glad to hear it.

In which city do u live?

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Originally Posted by braillce

Glad to hear it.

In which city do u live?

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well I live in guangdong, I drive around guangdong by myself, with my friend, my wife or both, used to live in guangzhou for several years, so I am near guangzhou but not really in guangzhou, kinda inbetween, close to guangzhou, donguan, shenzen is not too far.

You can see from other peoples posts on this forum, that guangdong is full or really stupid people. like that one who says Guangzhou is no class...

the drivers here are VERY SHIT, the drivers in Beijing are best, shanghai next.. but here its like a freaking zoo

and about the ZEN bit, im kinda passed that, light-wise

please delete repost

BTW, there should be a "Road Rage" sub forum

You sound like a fantasist and a loser, guy fawkes. You should get out of China before someone pulls a a Neil Heywood on your ass.

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Originally Posted by PeteZ

You sound like a fantasist and a loser, guy fawkes. You should get out of China before someone pulls a a Neil Heywood on your ass.

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hahhaha I dont trust any chnks, neil did... no chnk touches me .

I live here because I can easily make money here

the fact that I have to deal with inbred retards everyday is just part of the "way it is"

you are no different I can see

Sounded like the van driver was just another Chinese driver. If he's in a van and you hit him he has to compensate you.. The rule of the road here is nearly always bigger takes the responsibility.
Do not DO NOT make a scene. Irrespective of you being in the right or not, once the mob forms here they are 100% on the side of the Chinese. They will not listen to reason and they will become very angry and racist. If other people start turning up in numbers I suggest you get the hell out of there. Even if the police turn up they will not protect you if the mob is getting angry.

Tell you what is more scary than that is the people overtaking on blind corners and before brows of hills.. This happens mostly in the countryside.. It happens a lot.. Slapping into a van at 20km / hr is nothing compared with a truck coming at you at 80 while you're doing the same thing in the opposite direction..

Guy.. Think about moderating what you are saying. It's unnecessary to be writing this sort of stuff. Cool it bro, cool it.

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Originally Posted by guy fawkes

Thanks, thats what ive been doing, just riding on after speaking my mind or just showing them with my face (and glvoes)

now that I have gloves with steel protection on the knuckles and fingers... anyone trying to bump me or swipe me quickly retreats once I show the gloves...

I suppose when they know they will die if they want to play games with someone on a motorbike, they smarten up fast

Thats a nice knife. I like the cold steel KOs for boot knives... and now its getting cooler, I can wear boots and bring a boot knive more often, they are really sharp and really good steel

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Do you know how you sound? Would you ride around your own country like that? Showing off your knuckles and what not thinking you're a tough guy. Cmon man, how do you know you cornered a guy and you're so sure if you can't even speak the lanuage to the guy. Chill out, and just keep your head on a swivel, riding is dangerous everywhere man.

Randy, 'Guy Fawkes' was banned long ago.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Randy, 'Guy Fawkes' was banned long ago.

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LOL! Oops.Serves him right though...