What are your thoughts for a fun runabout, not designed to cross China on, but rather for hours of entertainment close to home?
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What are your thoughts for a fun runabout, not designed to cross China on, but rather for hours of entertainment close to home?
Percentage of road vs off road use? 17"/17" wheels or 21"/18"?
Galaxy doesn't really make the TGR anymore, heard they had a couple left over from an order a while ago, but parts are getting harder to get.
Liger- QM200 or QM250? Big difference, but neither are very good for off road.
Shineray is a bit expensive for what you get.
Cheers!
ChinaV
personally for the Lingshui / Hainan area would get a JL600, gets you easy down to Sanya or up to Haikou on the G98 expressway and should be good enough for trail + beach riding but I am biased.....
looked at Shineray once over at the big Pudong (Shanghai) shop and wasn't very impressed.
ChinaV, you're not giving me many options.
21 by 18"wheels. 250cc not 200. All roads here are rural and I'd prefer to get into the hills or on the beach and off the paved roads with it, so 75% dirt.
G 98 is a freeway and does not allow murdercycles. So to get to Sanya or Haiku on back roads would take hours of zig-zagging without any real route to follow and traffic in those cities not condusive for Freewheeling Freddy. It would be more for local hill climbing. The Dingaling 600 is a street bike and doesn't interest me at all unless there was an enduro version. It wouldn't do well on the sandy beach here.
Hmmm.... everyone I know that owns a half decent size bike takes the G98 Sanya - Haikou and so did I with my JL sidecar to get to the nicer spots quicker... none of the cops standing around or going on the expressway in cars blinked an eyelid.....Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingtiger
Some of my mates live in Sanya but work around 100k's out of Sanya and take the West Expressway every day to and from work with HD, BMW, CJ......
edit: forgot to mention the Chinese riding bicycles (mostly Dahon foldable ones) on the G98 expressway...
Cool! Another newb who thinks he's smart enough to piss on ChinaV and TB-Racing. If you know all the answers already, why ask the questions? Since when is it ChinaV's responsibility to give you options? Spend a few hours in MCM you'll see that ChinaV has owned and hammered pretty much every bike of any substance in China, and he's already offered what anyone else would recognize is sterling advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingtiger
QingQi Liger - you're not going to be happy with it off road. I doubt you can even get the QM250, and you will need gaunxi to get it registered.
TGR - Contact Galaxy and see if they still have any of the left overs. I think they're asking around ¥12,800, but maybe you can negotiate a better deal. The TGR is simple enough to maintain, and the power to weight is great for enduro use. I like the air cooled TGR engine compared to the liquid cooled engine in the Shineray (same motor I had in my Yingang).
Shineray - I think the X2's are going for almost ¥17,000 now. That's a fair bit of coin, and I think the 125kg weight is a little optimistic. However, it's not like you have a lot of choices. If you're a big guy, I think you need to get a stiffer spring for the rear. You can find more info on it buried in MCM.
Agree on the JH600, it will never be a capable enduro machine, it is far too heavy. Not saying it can't be turned into a good adventure tourer or gravel road runner, but it just wasn't designed for bashing about in the woods.
If you're only interested in dirt roads and not trails, why not the new Shineray 400. Somebody needs to figure that mess out.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Wow! Lotta pent up anger being released in that post. Don't know where that came from but not worth worrying about.
Thanks for that ChinaV. I am going by the road signs on all the exits and never having seen a murdercycle on that freeway before. The bicycles, as you say, are on the shoulder everywhere. Last contact with Shineray factory said the 400 was coming and to stay in contact with the dealer. The dealer in Haikou had no idea when but suggested not until next year, so its anybody's guess.
Bit cranky lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Suffering from the pollution?
Got to accept not everyone wants a Dingaling 600 LOL :mwink:
Shineray - I think the X2's are going for almost ¥17,000 now"
I was at the factory in December..i too was not impressed and the price is predicted to be higher than 17K..more like 19 wthout saddle boxes..the bike looked 'rough' as i was invited into the factory...because of 'foriegner face'....the factory was far more impressive than the Galaxy factory... but not worthing buying from what i saw.
the XTR 250 i have had too many bugs to work out etc...and zero customer service...vibration is not good etc...
What gets me about Qingqi is that they never figure out how to get 20hp out of the 199cc?
That is the rating on a stock DR200 SE, I understand a DR200SE would not meet Chinese emissions? But just seems like that engine configuration is what Qingqi needs and a full line of bikes based on that engine for export. They must have some problems in some way or for some reason not to be able to bring a version more powerful version of that 199cc to the markets?
You can get a 200cc engine for the bike in china, but you cannot get what is needed to get it to 20hp not in China anyway.
What is the difference between the two engines is it just the carburetor or does it have a different head? The two add up to about $800.00 in parts.
So if you can track down a plated version of a 200 maybe you might be able to modify it up to 20hp? I am just not sure that engine in the Qjingqi is the same as the engine in the DR200 SE? Maybe it would break apart with a 20% increase in power, maybe it would tear up the engine parts?
im wondering about the new Shineray x5.... i want a bike to ride around China on and it looks good for this just am not sure about reliability, it might break somewhere in the middle of nowhere and ill be in trouble.
Thinking also about Yamaha YBR250, i know that its a street bike but maybe with a skid board and windshield it can do that trip. What you guys think?
flyingtiger - sorry for stealing the atention but i dont want to start new thread
I think Qingqi is cheap until it hurts and also misguided and misdirected. They spent a ridicules amount of money developing the 250 that they never brought to the markets. A bigger heavier engine and never took the time to refine what they already had in hand.
I am sorry but a refined version of the Motard with an improved power rating would have been logical while they had peaked in 2008-2009 but instead they got all caught up in fan fair and simply dropped the ball and its still dropping.
I would bet that their powers that be are still cutting crucial marketing budgets and sales people and language translators. Then they channel all their business leads to Pioneer? Who then adds lesser parts and undercuts them in the markets at a lower level of quality. Then they sell parts out the back door to taobao agents when they could be selling parts direct themselves.
I would say the leaders are childish and often want so bad to be brilliant leaders autonomously that any ideas that are not theirs right or wrong are not taken seriously or they simply do not have the knowledge to validate a business process, they take some hair brained approach that actually makes bad worse. It takes allot to change direction. More then dropping famous brand names as partners.
With all the praise the Dingaling 600 is getting, should we have included their 250 enduro in the group? I haven't heard much about that at all. I didn't know they had one until yesterday. Is it as trouble free as the 600?
Dear flyingtiger,Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingtiger
I apologize for my impatience in a recent post. We get a lot of newcomers to MCM who, in their justifiable enthusiasm to ride, start peppering the forums with lots of questions without first spending a bit of time getting acquainted with the already very rich contents that can be found with the advanced search system (though not with the simple search window that's found on every page).
We all see ChinaV as something of an oracle in this forum, as he's made an amazingly systematic effort to identify, own and put to the test pretty much every Chinese enduro of any potential. If you use MCM to find all of the threads that ChinaV started, I think you too will be astonished by the depth of his passion for our sport, and for his determination to find the gems among the general dross of Chinabikes. He does that for all of our benefit, and for that alone he deserves vast respect.
So that post of yours that opened, "ChinaV, you're not giving me many options," even if meant in jest, rang in my ears like, "ChinaV, I'm unsatisfied with what you've told me; try again." I probably would have started with the words, "Thank you, ChinaV," or some other expression of gratitude.
As I'm wont to say, I'm not trying to be a prick (it comes naturally), but civility and courtesy go a long way when someone is, after all, asking for the help of people who essentially strangers, with our passion for motorcycles as the only real link between us. (I may be wrong, and you may be mates with ChinaV, but a general reader wouldn't know that.)
Oh, and as for your now-chronic misspelling of Jialing, surely also meant in jest but still nonetheless a bit offensive to those of us who own Jialings and work hard to love them, and generally still regard them as a high-water mark in China's too-slow march toward better quality, if you'd spelled the name correctly in advanced search you'd not be so surprised to learn that Jialing does indeed make a quite respectable enduro, though it's a 150 not a 250. In fact, the JH150GY-3 is owned and loved by quite a few MCM members, a few of whom have posted generously in these pages about wonderful epic journeys across western China where the little bike just gave and gave, albeit with sufficient TLC from their owners. It would be a shame if you missed these threads, since that might be just the little runabout you are looking for. It brought those guys not just hours of entertainment, but days and even weeks and years.
Jialing does make 250cc bikes, but I don't believe I've ever seen one in China. You'll find posts (again, through advanced search) from MCM members in Africa who understandably beat the shit out of them over there, and grow to love them for the way they hold up.
Thanks for your understanding!
Cheers
Ok I,ll bite.
The shineray X2 might look a bit rough,I assume you are talking about the stickers.
Pffffft to the stickers i reckon.It has a gem of an engine, good suspension, not ohlins or white power but better than any other bike from China.
Its a dirt bike so its going to get covered in , well, dirt i guess.
We can be sure it weighs more than it,s claimed to weigh, but it isn,t very heavy
Its damm uncomfortable to ride all day and its too noisy..
Is it worth the extra money over the other options?
Hell yes it is.
Is there a better 250 dirt bike available from China?
I dont think so , your opinions may vary.
FYI. mine just clocked up 9000km might be time to give it a wash...
Euphonious...thanks for your kind words. I don't think flyingtiger was dissing my reply, I think he was just disappointed that the options are so limited.
MJH... QQ is a clusterfuck, plain and simple. You're far too considerate with your assessment. It's depressing, as they have so much potential and the QM250 has been tweaked into a delightful motard.
Zhu... very passionate response about the X2, I agree with many of your thoughts, but wonder how much time you have spent on a TGR. The suspension is almost identical to the X2, and being that the TGR is at least 15-20 kilos lighter, I think it handles better. Given that I've clocked a fair bit of time on both bikes, I really think it's tough to justify the extra ¥5,000. If it's your main bike, hands down, X2 is the better choice. But if you're looking for a weekend thumper for bashing through the jungle, the ¥5,000 saved and 15-20 kilo advantage of the TGR is tough to beat. I would also note that the X2 has way more top end power while the TGR pulls like a tractor down low. You're not going to get more than 80km/h out of the TGR before your teeth fall out, but it will climb a wall in first gear. Neither bike is remotely comfortable.
flyingtiger... I think you know where this is headed, you're never going to get what you want. TIC and you get what there is and make the best of it.
Cheers!
ChinaV
China V .... seems like some sort of competitive event would be in order then.
a drag race
a top gear roll on (I,ll concede that now)
a hill climb, sealed
a hill climb ,dirt
a bit of a ride around on the road , just 300km or so
a few dirt tracks here and there
a bit of kart track motarding
a bit of mx tracking
a weigh in (probably concede this too)
concours de elegance..yeah just kidding on that one
Sound like a good weekend?
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Originally Posted by zhu
at the Shinray factory... by "rough" I mean the metal finishing on the frame and other parts...like shfit and brake levers at your feet etc... but again...its a $20k bike....without side bags...the 250 is a good engine size but i have been to the Canton Fair in GZ twice and i have seen better bikes..most at the fair are for export... Im hoping CFmoto builds a dual sport damn soon.
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Is CFMoto planning a 250cc enduro? Everything that's been reported in MCM suggests the CFMoto dual sport -- if it ever comes -- will use the same 650cc EFI twin as the 650NK and 650TR. Welcome competition to the JH600, the Benelli/Qjiang 600 and the Loncin 650, if it ever emerges from the vapors.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikikillercat
cheers
A great weekend indeed, minus the parts that involve asphalt. :icon10: You will have to check in with richardktm, as he loves whipping motards around kart tracks and twisty bits. Even though my TGR is fully legal, I've never taken the plates out of the envelope, I can't stand riding the thing on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhu
kikikillercat... If you go to factories and shows, please try to post a few pics and impressions. As you mentioned, there are other Chinese offerings that don't show up in local markets.
I've been posting on MCM forever now and it sucks that we're still talking about the same turds from almost 5 years ago.
Cheers!
ChinaV
As I wrote earlier, I've never seen a Jialing 250cc enduro in the wild, but there is one on their English website (though not that I can find on the Chinese site). It's also been posted in MCM, and sometimes called a Jialing Honda 250. I suspect this bike is not on the list of bikes available here inside the firewall, but I would love to be proved wrong, and would be even happier if it were a decent ride.
Any domestic sightings?
http://img1.cdn.tradevv.com/Y201101M...Motorcycle.jpg
Hey euphonius!Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Thanks for your warm words regarding the Jialing 150GY-3. But this is definitely more of a minimalistic touring bike than a genuine enduro. For real off road sports she lacks power. But I guess that flyingtiger might be interested in the new Jialing 223 enduro that is discussed in this thread. a much better power2weight ratio, a sixth gear and EFI (which is ok for weekends but absolutely not ok for touring far from the next pair of brothers with a hammer and a screwdriver)
On this thread I posted my semi/wild sighting: http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...223-Enduro-EFI