Ivé had my 650 for two weeks now and it started a rattle like timing chain noise, took it back to dealer was told that one of the valves had mushroomed due to not been harden correctly not happy.
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Ivé had my 650 for two weeks now and it started a rattle like timing chain noise, took it back to dealer was told that one of the valves had mushroomed due to not been harden correctly not happy.
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Originally Posted by bezinga1
that sucks....i would try to find out the 'build date' on the bike...and make sure it hadnt been sitting in the factory or some store a long time...... meaning you want a 'fresh' bike.... you bought in Australla?
i have had good luck with my TR650
Dear Bezinga1,
Welcome to MCM and sorry to hear you are having issues with the 650NK. Unlike many of us here in China, at least you have a dealer to turn to. Your bike should be fully under warranty, and should make good on any repairs.
TR650 and 650NK share the same engine, right?
Good luck with the warrant service, and keep us posted!
cheers
Yes it will be covered by the warranty so lets hope it will not take long to get back on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
cheers
The TR and Nk are pretty much the same bike......Quote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
Of course it covered but i would be pissed off on the account it should not happen. :taz:
Well yes, it shouldn't happen. But then if you take the gamble on saving $$$ on a Chinese bike vs Japanese, then maybe that is more of a possibility.
Yep pissed of big time you can only imagine how pissed of 2 weeks and its in the shop, that said it was a x demo and was 5 mths old but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikikillercat
And as far as saving $$$$$ on a chinese bike compared to a jap bike there was a $5000.00 saving on the CF compared to a bike from Japan, with 2yr's warranty I thought it was worth the risk and yes it is now in the shop for repairs I know the dealer and importer will fix it fast and get it right as they them self"s have invested a great deal of $$$$$$$$$$$ to make it work here in Australia .
That said would I buy another cfmoto? time out for now I will see how the 650 go's and give my answer latter. "Then again I know my answer already it would be a BIG no"
reason's there are second hand name brand motorcycle out there for the same money which have be tried and tested over time
but really the chinese should have it right by now they already build most of the parts for some really big motorcycle brands and have taken over some brand name motorbikes thats why I gave it a go,Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Maybe most of the computer hardware is manufactured in China. Nikon manufactures lenses in China. AFAIK BMW assembles Rotax engines for their Funduros in China. Quality is great. But when the quality is great it usually (maybe) involves some non Chinese companies overseeing manufacture or demanding quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
That is not the case with your average China bike, so don't really expect much.
I think buying a demo bike is not a good idea, I have never came across one for sale? I personally think that demo bikes should be taken apart for evaluation by engineers to see how they hold up to abuse.
I would not want the bike now, I would not have wanted it in the first place, it’s a demo.
Why would they rebuild it, that’s a waste of resources you could ask what does it take for me to get a brand new bike, that you only get to ride.
I doubt that all the bikes have bad valves, other things can cause that like the cooling system not working and or poor tuning, they may have played with the EFI settings.
You are not alone my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
I managed to put just 100 miles on my new 650nk before it sh!t its pants...
Props to my dealer, he sorted a replacement quickly.
Would I spend again on a CFmoto bike... NOT A CHANCE!
I've had three up to now, and two started going bad from day one...
My third one now, but haven't had a chance to even fire it up.
No way out for me, so I'm stuck...
I was suckered in by all the glowing reviews........
Peace and ride safe...
Wow, this sounds pretty bad, and reminds me to a friend who had a Chinese Regal Raptor.Quote:
Originally Posted by WirralGhostHunter
All he did was a bit of riding between repair after repair.
Leaking everything, breaking everything, a list too long to remember.
The dealer in Shanghai was always willing to fix things up in his own shabby way, but it got so annoying he sold it.
Seems Chinese manufacturers still don't have their act right, sad.
Good luck for both of you.
E.
Yeah, MCN did a review on cheapo Chinese 125's. They were like 'they're all pretty good'. Then I was hoping for a 1 year later follow up, to see the real deal: how well they bloody well hold up to abuse. But nothing....pointless review then! Which is why we need forums like this to allow for owner feedback. My opinion is that CFMOTO have designed/bought in a great bike, but with a typical Chinese near religious fundamentalist love of money are rushing to fill the orders created from good reviews and are massively dropping the ball on QC. Short term financial gain at the expense of everything else, which pretty much sums up modern day China IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by WirralGhostHunter
WGH, I am sorry to learn of the difficulties you have experienced now with the second bike. Not a good sign at all. I'm only guessing that perhaps in all haste CFMoto has dropped the ball seriously in terms of QA/QC perhaps in ramping up the production numbers to meet demand created by favourable reviews. At least that's all I can think of unless in that haste CFMoto might have started outsourcing some of the production to third parties, with likely even poorer QC/QA systems. This is all conjecture though on my part. If things are failing in terms of CFMoto products, then I'm sure dealers globally will by nature exert pressure on the company, hopefully leading to positive improvement. CFMoto prides itself on spending/investing 30% in R&D. But who knows about that as it is still fundamentally a Chinese company with all the inherent philosophical failures therein. You know my personal views on CFMoto products and indeed an attitude I'm not discriminatory about, as I feel all Chinese products (and even services) share the same fundamental QC/QA problems. Drop me some personal info via PM or email, as I mentioned in our last communication (along with any photos of the failures), and I will make some calls after the Chinese New Year/Spring Festival to my CFMoto contacts on your behalf. If nothing else, the message might filter up to the person that matters. I can only try, because I'd like to see at least one motorcycling company in China, get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by WirralGhostHunter
I think you are likely pretty darn close to the route cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Absolutely agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
here is a clip on a cfmoto 650 nk remember to read the notes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alasHgZBGmQ
It will be very interesting to see how CF Moto is going to resolve this towards their overseas dealers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
An unhappy customer is one, but if they screw up their dealers, it will be pretty bad advertising, probably travelling very fast in the motorcycle world.
cheek it out diary of my cfmotoQuote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
Ah, so that's YOU! Your candid and honest -- pros and cons -- commentary is much appreciated.
Brilliant choice of music. Something's Wrong With the World! The Classic Imperials? Who's the singer?
cheers
Anybody know of what engine CFMoto's engine is copy of?
People say - Kawa ER.
Sorry im not sure it was a selection from utube, by the way my dealer has lent me a brand new demo for now until this is sorted out for me, which is good of him.:icon10:Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Hey, whatever works. But I'll bet that a factual assessment rather than a rant made it a lot easier for your dealer to do the right thing. It'll be interesting to see how CFMoto/Chunfeng handles these public disclosures about their seemingly shabby quality control. Let's hope they do the right thing and raise their game.
Good luck!
my dealer has always tried to do the right thing and im am sure CFMOTO will do the same , but for now I have made a statement via utube and stand by what I have said about the bike , but I do relise that I could have that one in one thousand bikes with problems . The cfmoto are here to stay and will lead the way forward I believe in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
The dealer gets the same crappy feeling you do over the issues, they are of course also invested in the bike.
They also have to be supported and the issues resolved and they also need to be compensated for the time they spend fixing the bikes…nothing wrong with being an eternal optimist though.
So they lent you a bike to ride and when yours is repaired they will sell that bike to another customer? Everything is deprecating in value, your video also depreciates the bikes overall in value as well. One bad experience is one million times more powerful then one positive experience.
Bikes that are or have mechanical problems…dealers drop from inventory, its not worth it for them. Some people remarry their ex-wife’s, just not that many and not that often, claims of really having changed our ways are typically exaggerated.
Giving to chance, taking chances…..then influencing others and everyone can or can’t calculate a probability?
Good new's my new cfmoto 650 nk has arrived after the importer decided it was the best thing to do so latter this week I will pick it up. good on you CFMOTO Australia for standing behind there productQuote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
Well got the bike 2 days ago looked it over that was fine rides well engine good im a happy calm person, that was until i had noticed some red tape under the lhs switch block so i removed the block only to see that the locating tab which sits in a hole in the handle bars to stop it moving was brocken and they used the tape to wraped arond the bar to stop it turning. That is just slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by bezinga1
Well head back to your dealer... get them to put it right. Who knows at which stage the repair was effected, but should be a simple fairly painless fix. You might like to go over the whole bike yourself though to make sure that no other short cuts have been performed on your new bike.
06-07 Kawasaki Er6 engine i would say.. but they all do look almost same to 2011..Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
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