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YinXiang is China's 12th largest producers of motorcycles.
From November 2011 to November 2012 it lost 4.23% of it production.
Part of the Yinxiang group are CDR and Wanqiang
They are offering an updated version to the 1970 style moped...
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a1154e60b8.jpg
This model is marketed in Brazil under the brand DAFRA.
They also claim Irbis motors as a partner.
Yinxiang is a big supplier of horizontal engines,
I know that these are not intended for street use, however they likely would bolt in to one of these little bikes. I think that if someone did that they would want a temperature gauge to make sure it did not overheat. Frequent oil changes and monitoring the temperature might prevent having to constantly be rebuilding the engine.
This one is rated at 18hp, which would make one of these little bikes dangerously fast.
Yinxiang W175CC, 4 valves, oil cooled
As I understand it, this 175 cc engine (like any other horizontal engine with external oil line) can be fitted with external oil filter.
http://imageshack.us/a/img213/1240/001jeh.jpg
With that filter, oil change intervals can be extended.
Also, virtually all the, so-called "big bore" horizontals, have oil outlets for and must be fitted with oil coolers. Install radiator, for example, as it has a TB Racing on his Monkey and forget about temperature monitoring.
If necessary, install plate with light coils, change speed shifting pattern, tweak ignition timing, carb, exhaust and - voila, you got a engine for everyday commuter bike.
And yes - electric starter is for sissies. :icon10:
the big bore YX engines have one major problem, they don't last very long and not very reliable - as the saying goes, you get what you pay for.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
another possibility to convert an horizontal air-cooled engine into a oil-air-cooled engine is mounting a take off plate to the cylinder head and run an oil cooler.... see some pics attached of some custom parts we did in the past and you should get the general idea.
TB Racing, in your experience, which Chinese stock "big bore" horizontal is the most reliable, durable and suitable for everyday use?
Yeah I figure when they say they do not warranty the race engine that they do not last long.
I wonder about the Daytona engines, they are not cheap at all.
They have upgrade kits for them, that include a temperature gauge and they say stay under 90 degrees Celsius.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
G'Day Zorge,Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Really like the original genuine Jincheng 50-90cc engines (great tuning potential) for Z50 bikes.
Own a few Zongshen 124cc (ZS154FMI) engines, some of the ZS154FMI engines (4-speed manual gear box) are bored out to 138cc with race cam and cylinder heads modified, great torque monsters (not really revvy engines). Unfortunately Zongshen discontinued the reliable Zongshen 124cc (ZS154FMI) engines 2-3 years ago and just before they did ordered a few for myself and other Z50 owners.....
I am a active member of a few international Z50 "Monkey Bike" boards and the Daytona engines (made in China under license for Daytona / Japan) get some very good solid reviews.
Apparently they are about to release a new generation of the Daytona engines with stronger cases, improved gearbox = better gearing (ratio between 2-3 gear) and a decompression cam for easier starting next month.
Now, high performance big bore engines, nothing beats a custom hand-build Z50 horizontal race engine using either the old Honda GB4 engine cases, a Honda Nice 108cc (Thailand) or a full blown Takegawa engine in my opinion. Building another engine right now but that special one off custom race engine will take some real time.....
Attached a pic of the Zongshen 124cc (ZS154FMI) engine (ZS154FMI-2*xxxxxxxx* <> X = engine numbers) with Honda SS50 style clutch and engine cases. They are bullet proof and ultra reliable with a great gear box (4-speed manual 1-N-2-3-4) crank mounted clutch.
This is my inspiration
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YYci7wI8H9...ler-custom.jpg
Here is the article on bikers cafe
Custom Honda SL70 Scrambler
Are the Daytona’s made in China made by YX ? I see content that makes me think that Xinxiang is the manufacturer in china.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Y...566261912.html
http://tboltusa.com/store/yx-fusion-...ad-p-1403.html
yes they are to my limited knowledge, never really dug into that issue but the Shanghai based Z50 biker boys (Chinese Z50 and Ape Jincheng / Skytem replica bike owners club) mention last year that Daytona had horizontal Z50 type engines manufactured by a few China engine manufacturers like Lifan, XY and Zongshen. They sometimes have Daytona engines in the minibike tuning shop here in Shanghai, will ask next time I am at the shop (parts market). Daytona has 4-valve horizontal engines (150 / 190cc) called Daytona Anima Engines on offer as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I admit I'm guilty - this time, I'm off-topic-starter in this topic.
Where is the moderator?
We are not off topic, YinXiang is a big producer of horizontal engines. It is a niche for them and they are developing it pretty well.
As for who is the OEM factory for Daytona in China, it may be more then one as that is the correct approach to take in China for many reasons.
The first image of the “modern” version of a SS50 Honda as it does have that type engine. XY also makes a 154FMI, but their version starts in neutral.
Through its channel partners YinXiang sell the first bike that are in a way a modern version of a SS50.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...dass50K1-1.jpg
Without the stamped frame….http://www.wqmotor.com/
I do not think the engine in the SL70 custom is original, it looks like a Lifan 150 or the same type, it definitely does not look like the stock engine.
Which looks like this engine which I think it actually is.
http://www.takegawa.co.jp/2008_takeg...-YX-engine.jpg
now that engine is a Takegawa and looks like the SL has the same type of engine installed: http://www.takegawa.co.jpQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
There are some strange logic in engine marking, which I do not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by TB-Racing
OK, there is the ZS154FMI-2 engine, and then you can see two Zong's with the same markings, but very different design: ZS154FMI-2 with bit more "classic" design, crank mounted manual clutch, no paper oil filter, no oil outputs - http://www.motorbike-shop.de/index.php?a=3147&lang=eng , and there is "contemporary" ZS154FMI-2, with all that, tranny mounted clutch - http://www.motorbike-shop.de/index.php?a=3510&lang=eng
Madhouse.
....called C-H-I-N-A...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Not all claimed Zongshen engines are really genuine Zongshen engines, Zongshen engine numbers look like this = ZS154FMI-2*xxxxxxxx* (X = numbers), all Zongshen engine numbers start with "ZS". The real deal 125cc ZS engine was discontinued 2-3 years ago and they can be easily identified as having 8mm studs and 20mm coarse countershafts. Over in Europe people refer to the discontinued ZS125cc engines sometimes as Zongshen 125cc "Dino" engines.....
As always in PRC, copy engines might be available from dodgy manufacturers......
OK, I learned something new - real Zong 125 has 8 mm studs, 20 mm countershafts. The devil is in the details. Thanks TBR! :thumbsup:
It seems to me that I would, in the end, decide to buy 1P56FMJ Lifan engine.
It is interesting that cheap Chinese small bore 50-110 cc horizontals, no matter from which plants originate, high rpm at which they work most of the time and the torture of their owners, reaching a really remarkable mileage. Fifty thousand kilometers is quite attainable figure.
Here is another option,
http://www.dirt-bike-store.com/Engin...-1937-673.html
Option for you. I'll have to go to Greece or perhaps Germany, to buy a big bore engine.
I cannot under understand why you cannot order from that website, even though they do not have Serbia listed. Is there a reason you cannot buy from that website?
I can order it, but I think that the delivery from France will cost as much as whole engine.
With the same money, I can go to Thessaloniki, buy the same type engine, some consumable parts, couple of five stars Metaxa bottles, big bucket of marinated olives, go for a walk around the city and soak a my feet in the Aegean Sea. :icon10:
new DAYTONA engines FDX (auto decompression cam for easier starting): http://daytona-global.com/products/?...&subcategID=10Quote:
Daytona
manual 190cc engine: http://daytona-global.com/products/pdf/86876.pdf
manual 150cc engine: http://daytona-global.com/products/pdf/86875.pdf
Decompressor?
With a 12:1 compression ratio and ignition timing, which is certainly not less than 31-32 degrees BTDC, little horizontal bastard must be hard to start without it.
YinXiang has progressed to be the 6th largest producer and largest exporter in 2014.
Stels of Russia is selling the Yinxiang version of TW200 but with a DOHC Suzuki type four valve engine.
http://stelsmoto.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/18.jpg
also sold as a Racer Forester RC200LT in Russia
http://racer-motors.ru/upload/iblock...opy%20copy.jpg
another version of that bike sold in Russia ABM X-Moto RX200
http://tokomoto.ru/upload/iblock/112...714359b28a.jpg
That same importer is selling a YX200GY-CBS
http://www.yinxianggroup.com/Portals...X200GY-CBA.jpg
as their ZR200
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K5iPyKijWGE/hqdefault.jpg
Wow--I like this bike!! We will probably never see it in the US, unfortunately. Still waiting for Skyteam to EPA/DOT certify their 230cc V-Raptor for the US...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gEFQVkUPTvs/hqdefault.jpg
This group called Super Motor has been working on this for some time.
It looks to be based on an Xl230 frame.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GB15qB9wkA...0/HONDA_XL.jpg
The guy working on it is named Dimitri Hettinga
They are using YinXiang as their OEM.
Dimitri has also contributed to Mega China Motor World.
But only twice...
here is one edititorial.
China and the Café-racer
- Date:22-03-2014
Take a peek at 70th page of Dave's magazine, first issue - interview with Hettinga.