Yinxiang

Yinxiang is advertising motorcycles with a 200cc 4-valve engine.


One looks allot like a Yamaha TW and the other looks to be a re-use of an older Hyosung design. It looks as if they retained the once Hyosung Imperials frame telemetry and upgrade it to tubular steal from its original box steel construction.


Original Imperial GF125
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...c0c32bea6c.jpg




Revised XY200-CA
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...iang/x01_0.jpg


XY200GY-2
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../YX200GY-2.jpg

They are also offering this very unassuming bike that could host any of their high powered horizontal engines.
http://www.yinxianggroup.com/Portals.../YX100-C41.jpg

Xinxiang also sells through these people, QiYuan "Chongqing Qiyuan Motorcycle Industrial Co., Ltd. is a professional manufacturer of CUBs, ATVs, dirt bikes and street bikes. We were founded during the period that motorcycle industry was under rapid development. We have win-win cooperation with "Yinxiang Group". Our factory is situated at the key base of China Motorcycle Industry--Konggang Industrial Zone, Yubei District, Chongqing, China, being close to Jiangbei Airport. Convenient transportation and predominant industrial environment are our two advantages. "






They sell their copy of the Yamaha FZ
http://gallery.techarena.in/data/516...a_FZ16_Red.jpg


http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/116/5...583116_505.jpg


Yinxiang calls it a YX200-CK

Xinxiang also sells through these people, QiYuan


They sell their copy of the Honda XRE300
http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/...xre3002009.jpg
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/399/8...886399_232.jpg
Yinxiang calls it a YX200-GY8

We are likely to see more of the 200cc 4-valve engines in coming years, it is showing up in the Keeway RKV-factory.


These YinXiang models are not being as professionally marketed as the Qianjiang, however they both offer the some outputs at around 16.3hp which is comparable to the 223cc 2-valve OHC engines. Both of the 4-valve 200cc are oil cooled. They are likely the same engines and manifestation of a similar Suzuki design.

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One looks allot like a Yamaha TW and the other looks to be a re-use of an older Hyosung design.

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The one that "looks allot like a Yamaha TW" is using, as I can see, Hyosung Karion 125 frame. True, they changed the plastic panels, seat and some details, but I would say that the frame is the same one.

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They are also offering this very unassuming bike that could host any of their high powered horizontal engines.

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This same design offers, as far as I know, at least a dozen, both, large and small factories. As far as I could see, this little bike can can be with spoked or alloy wheels, drum or disc brakes, rectangular or round headlight, different gauge clusters, plastic or tin fenders and chain guards, chromed or painted, mufflers also, with or without crash pads and rear carrier, electrostarter, displacement from 50 up to 110 cc... You name it! My favourite is Wonjan's WJ 50-C aka. Benzer Rapid 50.

But what's better than on the mopeds in the same price range (those step-through mopeds and Honda CD 70 clones), at least I have that opinion, is the frame. OK, they all have backbone frames, but this one, if it is not made out of rigatoni, it is certainly more rigid than those on the aforementioned mopeds.

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Speaking of Yinxian and frames, I have to mention Stels Delta 200. If I'm not mistaken, this is YX's bike too. Basically, it is commuter/learner/fancy cabbage bike, whatever you call it, powered with good ol' pushrod. The design is unobtrusive, the proportions are OK for a small bike - I like it. But the frame is textbook example of half duplex cradle frame, plus, they used square tube swingarm (I'm alergic to those small diameter "pipe" swingarms, so I noticed this).

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They sell their copy of the Yamaha FZ
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Yinxiang calls it a YX200-CK

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Aka. Racer Nitro 200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa7koxOx0xw

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They sell their copy of the Honda XRE300
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Yinxiang calls it a YX200-GY8

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Aka. Racer Ranger 200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkSdHPRlQdk

Yep, your right Zorge they are the same, they have some sort of partnership with Hyosung in some way.


From what I heard, Hyosung engines were developed by former Suzuki engineers.


The TW like XinXiang is basically a re-skinned Karion and its 200cc engine is likely a bored out version of the 125cc used in the Karion.

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Keep in mind all the Hyosung engines were developed by former Suzuki engineers.

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As time goes by, it has become important to me that the engine of some C-moto is, as they say, "common", and spare parts is available on every corner. I do not care if the engine has designed by some engineer who designed the engine for.... beats me... "Tecumseh" lawnmowers, until somewhere exist well stocked depo (or even better - depos) of spare parts.

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The TW like XinXiang is basically a re-skinned Karion and its 200cc engine is likely a bored out version of the 125cc used in the Karion.

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I do not understand the lack of desire among Chinese motorcycle manufacturers (unlike their colleagues in the automotive industry) to break away from the mainstream and experiment. OK, we know that they are not disgusted by "borrowing" other's designs and ideas, but I do not see why they don't go a step further, because I am sure that there they would make a profit.

Here's an example: that YX's bike a-la Carion, Van-Van, TW... I agree - not many C-moto factories makes bikes like those. There is some (not big, but existing) niche for those bikes. But why not to make things more interesting? Does anybody remember "Yamaha's" concept XTW 250 "Ryoku" - little "doomsday bike"? Every Chinese "cabbage bike" that think highly of oneself, has a set of massive racks and crash pads, so why this YX's "fatty" could not get some massive "barbecue grills" and "heavy duty" details (not necessary XTW's shovel too)?

I know that these people are building some decent horizontal engines, they have a little 160 horizontal that puts out the same hp as a chinese CB250.


I would like to direct the Yinxiang engineers into that direction, call for them to create engines that are horizontal and for everyday use that are making more power then similar sized vertical engines.


Then offer something different, as in horizontal engines in street bikes


The engines should be also decorative in that the cases and blocks and head look attractive to the eye, they should be works of art. These old Aermacchi models are great however their engines were not that attractive, the gears cases are good however the block of the engine I see as unsightly.


http://a0.typepad.com/6a00d834207897...09c6ffd8834-pi

I would call them Super Super Lites or SSL for short.
Very light and very powerful translates into a lot of fun to ride.

Say no more!

Here's design for you - Guzzi Falcone 500 engine!

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Fit it in some steam punk styled bike and voila - head turner is here. :lol8:

No, no one in YX (or somewhere else) is gonna make at least 1/4 ofa a liter horizontal, because, IMO, they are too cumbersome to fit in different frames. OK, there was this French longitudinal boxer Midual 900, but this is just, as people say, "the exception that proves the rule".

Though, I don't think that would be a big problem to "stretch out" some of the common engine designs that can be seen on C-moto. I mean, we've seen the opposite thing - "bending" of horizontal engine (for example, Lifan LF139FMB-B).

That is not what I have in mind.


Half this engine, is more what I am imagining.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4_GpIjAbeI...STER%2B695.jpg
300cc


A very good mechanical engineering staff could achieve that, or something similar.

The 160cc engine is really a racing engine? Twice its size and with 2X its output, I do not think that a 300cc horizontal engine offering up 30hp requires understanding quantum mechanics.
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/7/8...13127072_o.jpg

I like most of the motorcycles in that lineup. The only one I don't care for it says it's a copy of a Honda (that I've never seen). I don't like that style of bodywork and front fender, but BMW has sole a bunch like that.

Back in the day these were actually disliked by HD traditionalists. I got ridiculed regularly for likeing them.
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/183/36...17b5ac97_z.jpg


The reason I liked them so much is because to me they were different.

Its not that I like all of the Aermacchi, only some of them, like this one.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...Sprint71-3.jpg


Here is a set of them, so cool, but your right they would never make these, They need to be able to sell tens of thousand of anything to justify the costs of manufacturing them. They do not have any suitable engines for these to garner any respect, the current horizontal engines all offer less power then a comparable vertical engines. If they did the engine would have to be powerful enough or the bikes would not be taken serious enough by the majority.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...50TV-inrow.jpg

This is probably the engine that would be most viable to build up, and it likely could be brought up to 20hp.
It is a 150 with 11hp
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...d2ac7ce977.jpg


They could make the bike lighter and more powerful then the original model, it be expensive to bring to production attaining that, but these people have been convinced that low cost rules and many of them are attempting to get higher prices for what they manufacture without attaining any significant innovations.


They mass produce these and with 50cc engines for the masses,
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a1154e60b8.jpg
however they could offer the YX 1P56FMJ-5 150cc engine in these and with up grades to support the 11hp engine, then also stylize them. That would be a good starting point for building up the engine and making then the version that would be more substantial. There are lots of niche markets and if they are very large manufactures then they actually have to maintain many ranges and styles of offerings.

I am of the opinion that you are only as good as the company you keep, it is interesting to see Kohler partnering with YinXiang while they are manufacturing blatant copies of Honda and Yamaha designs. .


I would rather see YinXiang professionally negotiate and through and with respect to all existing international laws.


They could approach Audi/Ducati for a technology share in an alternate realty? They could vie for the demonic valve technology and with clear and fairly defined manufacturing, marketing and distribution boundaries.


They could be making affordable L engines for specific models under specific brand names with defined markets.
These engines could be in different forms such as bigger horizontal as well as verticals, all proprietary and protected with real rights to them.

These people seem to be imagining this bike out of Yinxiang...looks like an XL230 frame.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...1ae707d35e.png
http://www.supermotorcompany.com/new-bike/

Honda XL230
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/HONDA_XL.jpg

Yinxiang could and probably should bring the original design to the market, with disk brakes. Then Smart Motors could get the base for their custom version? Many Chinese Manufactures make the XL185 frame, this XL230 frame is nothing much more than a more substantial.

Honda XL185
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...82_WSm22-M.jpg

I think these are great, sold in Russia under the brand Racer as a Trophy RC110N.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...1392930291.jpg

35,450.00 RUB

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642.444 USD

At $650.00 they likely sell allot of them.