Jialing JH600 stolen in Shanghai

Dear all,

some of you might remember my little story. Well, after several attempts and friendly conversation to try to get my bike transported back to Shanghai, I finally went to the police to threaten the company which transported my motorbike.
Turns out that his mobile phone number 13816985804 is already related to some small incidents like shoes paid but not made or other stuff. :eek2: Since the number is not in service anymore since around a week I have to assume the bike is gone.
Pretty bad, it was such a nice motorcycle. (Including Tourfella boxes!)
Now what do you all mean, should I post the photos of the three guys here which have "transported" my bike? The contact was made by my chinese friend who now has to remember how he found this guy on the internet. But even if he can remember, I am not confident that this really will help. I think the bike is already somewhere far away.
Whatever, at least this gives a nice story to read for you and of course I keep you updated.:popcorn:

Post the fotos!!!!!

Man sorry to hear this.

TIC & you can't trust one to do anything right or as planned, but you sure can & always should trust one to back-stab you any chance one's got.

Thanks for sharing so we're aware of still another scam.

Really sad story, sorry to hear.

I would not recommend to post the pictures, i guess it's not lawful.


Now i understand why the gov requires requires ID-Card for all new phonenumbers/internetconnections...

I echo the sentiments that this is a horribly sad story - very sorry to hear of your misfortune.

Braillce is, unfortunately, correct about living in China - back-stabbing is the norm.

I also don't see what the point of posting the pictures would be, aside from appeasing looky-loos at a train wreck. And Cromson is probably correct - it may be illegal.

I'm still a little confused, though. Is it correct that the last time you saw the bike was in June/July, when you handed it over to the shipper in Shanghai? Is it the Shanghai guy(s) you suspect of being crooks? Was there any independent friend who actually saw the bike appear down in the South West? Do you think the whole arrived/delayed/new quote stories were all just fabricated?

Again, so sorry about your misfortune.

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I would not recommend to post the pictures, i guess it's not lawful.

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But it is right to steal? If some of this guys complain about to have their face out in the "open", at least you can ask them where your bike is. If anybody of us sees them, we can ask where the bike is. If they have nothing to do with the theaft, we apologize. If someone wants to ship his bike and it is the same "company", you know what to do.
I thing it is a legal bike. So now we have already two legal bikes stolen in a short time. Do they clone them?

@Sabine

As long as it is not sure that the guys on the picture are involved in any way, i wouldn't do it.

A friend once found his stolen bike and knocked the guy of the bike. Unfortunatly the guy was thinking he bought it legally and sued my friend for mayhem. I just saying, the law can be unfair sometimes so better to keep cool and think twice.

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Is it correct that the last time you saw the bike was in June/July, when you handed it over to the shipper in Shanghai?

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Yes.

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Is it the Shanghai guy(s) you suspect of being crooks?

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Because he said my bike was back in Shanghai but now his mobile phone number is dead. Besides that number was involved in some other crimes already known to the Police.

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Was there any independent friend who actually saw the bike appear down in the South West?

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No, I suspect it never went there. But of course I do not know.

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Do you think the whole arrived/delayed/new quote stories were all just fabricated?

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That is what is difficult to say. After I know that these guys were dealing with some other robberies I do not believe that they ever intended to ship my bike although they did it really well. I received a receipt and also the price was reasonable.
Lessons learned: Listen to your wife! My wife was the only one who had a bad feeling about this but she did not dare to say anything.
But you are right Cromson: although the case is quite obvious now I will wait with posting the photos until the "Internet Police officer" was here at my home to pick up the case. And I will give him the photos, too.
At least I will get my C-plate back, right?

I'm a little confused, are the guys in the photos you have but not posted yet, associated with the mobile telephone number which the PSB have described as being associated with other alleged thefts and non-delivery of goods? If so, I'd be posting the photos pronto, and if not then wait and get the PSB's opinion on the matter. Mind you the PSB opinion will likely vary depending at any given time at any given location, given the way the clouds look in the sky, the way the wind is or is not blowing, other seasonal influences, how their day is going, and other extraneous influences that have little relevance...

If those photos you have in your possession are associated with the less than legit number, post the photos, 'cause if they are linked to some form of criminal element, do you think for a moment they are going to front up and contact you to ask you to remove the photos when they had your bike - which you've never seen again. Aint going to happen.. that is EVEN is they are able to or bother to read a site like MCM.

Check the photos first though to establish/identify if there might be something that might or could associate someone or something else that shouldn't be, and edit the photo to obscure 'it' accordingly...

One other thing is, did you buy insurance through the company that transported your bike initially? If so, did it cover loss or theft? Get your wife to be hitting the original company... in this instance, you need to come out with all guns-a-blazing. You've tried the mister nice-guy approach. Time to hit back!

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Originally Posted by Cromson

[...] Unfortunately the guy was thinking he bought it legally and sued my friend for mayhem. [...]

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LOL. How can this work judicially? Oh yea TIC.. How did it end, ur friend had to pay?

Yep.. I'm with Sabine on this one.. Post the photos and post the pictures of your bike.. Also give these pictures to the police.. I remember 17 years ago 6 guys got the death penalty for stealing motorcycles .

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Originally Posted by Sonk

Dear all,

some of you might remember my little story. Well, after several attempts and friendly conversation to try to get my bike transported back to Shanghai, I finally went to the police to threaten the company which transported my motorbike.
Turns out that his mobile phone number 13816985804 is already related to some small incidents like shoes paid but not made or other stuff. :eek2: Since the number is not in service anymore since around a week I have to assume the bike is gone.
Pretty bad, it was such a nice motorcycle. (Including Tourfella boxes!)
Now what do you all mean, should I post the photos of the three guys here which have "transported" my bike? The contact was made by my chinese friend who now has to remember how he found this guy on the internet. But even if he can remember, I am not confident that this really will help. I think the bike is already somewhere far away.
Whatever, at least this gives a nice story to read for you and of course I keep you updated.:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by braillce

LOL. How can this work judicially? Oh yea TIC.. How did it end, ur friend had to pay?

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It was in Germany and yes he had to pay, but the other guy got a trial too... finally revealing the thiefs identity.
In the end my friend got his bike back, but for a high price. :)

My two Fen are:

Do not post the pictures of these guys, maybe hand them to the cops instead.

If these crooks are well connected on the far side of law, you may receive unwanted visitors, find some not so nice looking guys always around you / your relatives or family, ..

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Originally Posted by Cromson

[...] finally revealing the thiefs identity. In the end my friend got his bike back, but for a high price. :)

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Interesting story..

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Originally Posted by Jonsims

Yep.. I'm with Sabine on this one.. Post the photos and post the pictures of your bike.. Also give these pictures to the police.. I remember 17 years ago 6 guys got the death penalty for stealing motorcycles .

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Sad thing is if motorcycle thieves risk death if caught they're much more likely to stab anyone standing in their way cause it's no worse a crime (in terms of punishment).

Post the pics of ur bike if u like, but don't post the pictures of these guys, this isn't MyChinaJustice.com.

I absolutely would not hesitate to post photos if you have them. Such a sad incident, and the people responsible should burn in hell for eternity, according to pertinent religious values. There's no honor among thieves, people who steal guitars, family, bikes. Rotten... And, deservedly, will get their rewards in hell....

Let me add, this is why I won't succumb to the lust of buying a bike I think might be stolen. Because I don't want to support those m**fckers who are doing the thieving. Can't do it in good conscience and wouldn't want it done to me.

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I'm a little confused, are the guys in the photos you have but not posted yet, associated with the mobile telephone number which the PSB have described as being associated with other alleged thefts and non-delivery of goods?

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Yes, they are working for the guy who probably stole my motorcycle.

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If so, I'd be posting the photos pronto, and if not then wait and get the PSB's opinion on the matter.

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The latter being what I am going to do now. If the police has the software possibility to compare faces in pictures then this should help to identify them if they are known to the police. Only if there is no progress with the PSB then I will use this forum to ask for help if somebody knows them.
I am curious what are the next steps and how the police deals with this.

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do you think for a moment they are going to front up and contact you to ask you to remove the photos

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I also do not believe this and even if they came this was even better because then I could continue to follow up this case.

On one of the photos you can even see the plate number of the van they were using. Let's see if this turns out to be something.
You know, if these are really thieves then I would use fake addresses, fake internet sites, fake phone numbers and fake car plates. Actually if it comes down to proof I only have the photos, nothing more, all the rest (incl. the plates if wrong) will be untraceable.

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One other thing is, did you buy insurance through the company that transported your bike initially?

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Hey, that company is the one that took away my bike...
As for the story again: a Shanghai company transported my bike and said they would organize the second transport. But now I cannot contact the Shanghai company anymore.

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Get your wife to be hitting the original company...

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My chinese friend did that because my wife is not a chinese. Unfortunately my friend also cannot remember how he found the guy on the internet. But I asked him to bother his memory again because I suppose that Mr. Lee will continue his business and if so then I will have a second thing to transport (of course without revealing who I am...). And then I will ask the police for support.

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Originally Posted by Sonk

My chinese friend did that because my wife is not a chinese. Unfortunately my friend also cannot remember how he found the guy on the internet. But I asked him to bother his memory again because I suppose that Mr. Lee will continue his business and if so then I will have a second thing to transport (of course without revealing who I am...). And then I will ask the police for support.

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You don't think your friend worked in cahoots with the shipping company do you? There's a guy on this forum who had his bike stolen, and it turned out later that it was his local "friend".

I do not hope so! :uhoh: Until recently we worked together for a year in the same office...
No, actually I fully trust him.

Update!
Mr. Lee, the "bad guy", became flustered and told another company to take care of my bike. Those guys called my friend a few days ago and told him: "Hey, won't you pick up your bike which is here since a month already?" My friend told me and of course I went to the Police first. They were happy to have something against Mr. Lee now, picked up the photos (before that nobody ever came or even called me...) and now I call the Police every now and then and wait for the ok to go there and finish this story.
But it seems they want to get Mr. Lee, so just going to the storage place and picking up my bike is not so easy. So far I do not see the need in making the police angry.
But next week I will just announce to go there and pick up the bike, no matter what they say.
I keep you updated.

P.S. The plates of the van indeed were fakes as I presumed.

Great news dude! Update us when you find out all the juicy details. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Sonk

Update!
Mr. Lee, the "bad guy", became flustered and told another company to take care of my bike. Those guys called my friend a few days ago and told him: "Hey, won't you pick up your bike which is here since a month already?" My friend told me and of course I went to the Police first. They were happy to have something against Mr. Lee now, picked up the photos (before that nobody ever came or even called me...) and now I call the Police every now and then and wait for the ok to go there and finish this story.
But it seems they want to get Mr. Lee, so just going to the storage place and picking up my bike is not so easy. So far I do not see the need in making the police angry.
But next week I will just announce to go there and pick up the bike, no matter what they say.
I keep you updated.

P.S. The plates of the van indeed were fakes as I presumed.

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Interesting developments, no matter what though, don't go alone.. take a posse

Update!
I finally got enough and decided to pick up my motorcycle. Told the police (let us call the officer Mrs. Pong, a young, but smart lady) I will ignore their ban and just go to Mr. Ding, the manager of the warehouse. Surprisingly she did not object but said I should not pay anything. So I went there with my colleague (let us call him John). We found the place, saw my motorcycle standing in the dust :clap: and after moving it into the sunlight there appeared quite a few damages from the transport (broken windshield, some scratches, huge dent to the cooler, small hole in the seat, worn away paint as well as a damaged handle rubber). We met Mr. Ding and he said that he transported the bike for Mr. Lee for 800 RMB from Shanghai to Jiuzhaigou. I paid 1200 RMB, but since Mr. Lee was an agent and also wants to live that could have still been a fair deal. The only problem: Mr. Lee told me he will provide a wooden crate for the bike (additional 1000 RMB) which he did not provide. Asked why there are always so many damages when it comes to transport of a bike Mr. Ding just shrugged his shoulders and answered this was not his business because he received the bike like that. Then he presented the bill which was 3600 RMB for the way from Jiuzhaigou to Shanghai. I told him there was no business relationship between him and me and if I paid, then to Mr. Lee but not to him. His explanation of the additional 2800 for the trip back was as weak as his previous explanation. He could as well have shrugged his shoulders again.
So I told him I would pay him the 800 but not more and there he refused to give me the bike and I let John call the police. By the way: I was asking myself why nobody from the police has made the simple step that I have done. I expected the Qing Pu police to be in contact with Mr. Ding but they actually never called him. Now I know why nobody came to my place earlier to pick up the photos of the suspect when I claimed my bike to be stolen. The simple reason is: they do not follow up cases like this, even if it is a value of 48,000 RMB (bike plus accessories).
Putuo district police came to the scene (four people in an old Santana). Btw the case was filed with the police at my place which is Qing Pu area. As John told me there is practically no connection between these two police districts. The usual talking started: where, why and what and after some time the police stated that a lost motorcycle has been found, so everything was ok and the case could be closed. Mr. Ding saw his advantage and raised his demand to 4400 RMB because Mr. Lee had not yet paid the first transport to him and so he wanted that money from me. I asked John why Mr. Ding did not file the case with the police and received an unsatisfying answer. (Later we found out that Mr. Lee had been there in the warehouse just a week ago and tried to pick up the bike by himself but Mr. Ding did not give it to him because the first payment was still missing.)
It was my turn now so I made the proposal to call Mr. Lee and order him to come to solve this issue. At the same time the Putuo district police could help the Qing Pu police to close a case with Mr. Lee (remember that they still have some cases with him concerning unpaid bills and a fake van plate plus my case). I thought that to be a smart move because that would help me and simultaneously give face to both the police departments. So one of the four policemen called Mr. Lee (Mr. Ding tried one of the many mobiles of Mr. Lee and finally succeeded) and told him to come. Mr. Lee answered that he would try to come within the next two hours and the officer accepted that (of course he did not come). I let John phone Mrs. Pong and explain to her this situation but she said she could not help since the case was in the hands of her colleagues in Putuo district now.
So it was my turn again and I asked the policemen what I was supposed to do now. John told me they still were very polite and tried to help (Laowai-factor) but wanted to go home. They proposed that Mrs. Pong let the bike be picked up by the Qing Pu police (confiscated) so that they could hand it over to me. Good idea, I let John call Mrs. Pong again and asked her about this. She refused because this case was now solved and just a commercial thing left. But what about the cheating cases of Mr. Lee? – “Minor issues.” What about the fake plate? – “Different case.” What about my case? – “It is solved now, you have your bike back.”
So then it was my turn again and I thought it time to give it up, after 3 hours I had learned enough. I gave 3600 RMB to Mr. Ding (he went down with his demand again, before he was just angry) who was very surprised that I accepted and not wanted to negotiate the 3600. I let John translate to the officers that I have been cheated twice: by Mr. Lee, by Mr. Ding and I go home with a damaged bike and there is nothing I can do. The answer of them was the usual shoulder shrugging. “Nobody got hurt.”

My personal lessons learned:
1. Chinese and Chinese policemen are always willing to help a Laowai. (Thanks again to my friend John!)
2. The rule of giving face or letting somebody lose his face does not count anymore in China when it comes to money (independent from being a Laowai!).
3. Chinese business inevitably involves wangling.
4. Chinese police does not care about commercial issues (at least not below a value of around 50,000 RMB.)
5. If a Chinese police officer is telling you to do a certain thing, you may ignore him.
6. Reporting smaller commercial cases to the police in China does only make sense for formal reasons (insurance claim, proof of theft etc).
7. Chinese businessmen know about this police behavior and usually do not report commercial cases to them.
8. Chinese people expect this behavior of the police but still report incidents for a better own feeling (John confirmed that).
9. This might be totally different when it comes to injuries (see all the stories about accidents here in the forum).

Of course it is an unnecessary experience and should I ever meet Mr. Lee I will have a decent discussion with him (or not, maybe I just slap his face and go) but I am not angry. Under the bottom-line I am glad to have had the chance to make this experience because otherwise I would have never received this deep insight into Chinese culture. I understand now why everybody in this little story acted like they did. And frankly speaking it also helped me to loosen my respect towards Chinese policemen. I still had the European view but I treat them different now.

Hi Sonk

The story ends, and you got your bike back so sorry for you to have had all this shit. you done what you considered to be right at the time and we can all do things differently in insight, but here in China its Dog-eat-Dog.

This is why there are all sorts of gangsters in China. Some are dangerous, others are actually very reasonable and can be paid to sort out problems that the police cannot get involved with.

Police can't be taken serious, just seldom I met one who did his job in a professional way. Damn few, even if it's just directing the traffic.
The whole story sucks, kudos to you that you tried to solve it the correct way till the end.
Bottom line is you have the bike back, and that is a good achievement. Even though it was you at the end who had the damage and as well had to pay. I hate it that so many times other people screw up here, but do not suffer the consequences.
Anyway, shrug it off, lesson learned.

Dear Sonk

Glad you retrieved your bike, despite the great misfortunes, and maintained a reasonable attitude.

Your case is yet another example of why this country still has a long way to go. Maybe the next generation, or perhaps the one after that. That is about as much positive outlook I can muster.

As JayDee mentions, "shrug it off" and move forward.

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Originally Posted by JayDee

Police can't be taken serious, just seldom I met one who did his job in a professional way. Damn few, even if it's just directing the traffic.
The whole story sucks, kudos to you that you tried to solve it the correct way till the end.
Bottom line is you have the bike back, and that is a good achievement. Even though it was you at the end who had the damage and as well had to pay. I hate it that so many times other people screw up here, but do not suffer the consequences.
Anyway, shrug it off, lesson learned.

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+1 amen, bruddah, amen!