Hello from Brazil - riding the Sundowns.

In addition to the invitation for surfing my website it is particularly relevant my pages on the Sundown Hunter 90 and on the Sundown STX Motard, which addresses are:
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/hunter90_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/hunter90_I_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_engl_1.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_kalunga_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/mota...cycle_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/mota...nga_I_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Tira..._2010_engl.htm
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Motorcycling_2011.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Moto...011_trips.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Moto...o_Iguassu.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Chap...esas_engl.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_2012_engl.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_2013_engl.html
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_2014_engl.html
Cheers from Brazil.

Welcome to the forum. Enjoyed reading the STX motard site as I have a Qingqi QM200GY-BA model. Really liked the mudguard idea. In fact you may be able to remove the rather ugly original one alltogether...I'm considering that myself.

It's a good sign that a manufacturer as old and prestigious as KREIDLER has adopted the Qingqi QM200 as theirs. Shows that at last a Chinese bike gets close to the quality of an European or Japanese bike. Is the STX really made in Brazil?. Is it a subsidiary of Qingqi?. What does it say on the rating plate riveted to the steering head?. It should indicate the makers name.

Our bikes are sold under lots of different names. I don't know if you've seen my list, but if you haven't here it is, (can be useful when searching for spares or information in other forums. For example, in the UK they've never heard of a Qingqi. There the bike is sold under 4 different names!.

The original maker is JINAN QINGQI, Model QM200GY-BA (also known as QM200GY-B(A)) for the super motard version.
Also made by an outfit known as Shandong Pioneer and called XF200GY-B this is some sort of subsidiary of the main factory.

In USA it's the QLINK XF200
In Brasil STX 200 Motard Sundown

In the UK it appears as:

Pulse Adrenaline 125 (XF125GY-2B)
Sinnis Apache QM200GY
Superbyke RMR200
Pioneer XF200-2V

In Chile/Colombia QMT200 or GXT Euromot
In the Philippines it's a Sinski Motard 200R
In Paraguay Genesis GXT200 B
In Honduras a KMF
In Spain it's marketed by Qingqi importer direct or I-moto as a Tiger sm 125
In Turkey it's a Ramzey QM200GY
In Checkoslovakia it's a YUKI 250 SM (too close to YUCKY for comfort...)
In Russia it's called QINGQI DRAGON 200 SUPERMOTO
In France Hooper 125 SMR
In Germany it's imported by the prestigious Kreidler as a Supermoto 125 DD
In Australia Arqin motorcycles RT200SM
In Sweden and Norway they call it a TMS Supermotard 200cc
In the Ukraine its a SkyMoto Dragon-200
In South Africa its a Viper 200

Thanks for the page... went trough all your bikes stories... I wonder why you prefer small bikes...

Thank you very much for your input. You've made available valuable information in it. The STX is made in Brazil by a company named Brasil & Movimento, trading under the name of Sundown. This company is located in Manaus - AM - Brazil and produces a complete range of bicycles and motorcycles. They aren't a subsidiary of Qingqi, and they currently are in third place in the Brazilian market, placed immediatly after Yamaha. Honda occupies the first place by far. Their web address is: http://www.sundownnet.com.br/site/net/www/

It is the old story of David against Goliah. It is rewarding making the most of small output engines in an everyday situation, and even on road trips as I normally do. Furthermore the STX Motard, and even my previous Sundown Hunter 90, have excellent cost x benefit ratios.

Welcome, Ricardo. I don't know if you are a member of horizonsunlimited.com/hubb, but there are members who have ridden long distances on small displacement bikes, including around the world.

I, personally, feel that a 250 is about the mimimum displacement I want in the US. The mindset here is that the auto rules the road, and the cars travel a minimum of 80 to 110 mph anywhere and everywhere, and if someone is in the way, the vehicle behind (most always a massive SUV driven by a tiny housewife) tailgaits the front vehicle, and the smaller the vehicle, the more they are supposed to move out of the way. So if a vehicle is only traveling 70 mph (in a road posted for 50 mph), then, by the collective mentality of the driving public, a huge pickup truck or SUV must speed-up, tailgait the offender, until he either pulls over, or gets run off the road or is run over. That is why small displacement bikes are out of favor here, and the mentality is that 1100cc bikes are the only bikes one can buy.


BTW, this bike has been sold under the Qingqi name in the US, but the old distributor sold out to a new distributor, who has the mental IQ somewhere between a garden snail and a grasshopper, so the easiest way to get hold of one is through Qlink.

Many thanks on your comment about who rule the roads. The situation here in Brazil is quite similar to that in the US, principally if we consider that the bulk of our freight is transported by trucks (and not by trains). But I have found out my way among trucks, cars, light trucks, etc. on our roads along my 39 years of motorcycling.

Its is interesting to mention that there are nowadays more than 12 million motorcycles in Brazil; there were produced 2,115 million motorcycles in 2008 here in Brazil, by 19 bike makers.

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there were produced 2,115 million motorcycles in 2008 here in Brazil, by 19 bike makers.

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That's astonishing. This explains why my friends CBF 250 and some other models are made in Brasil.

We'll forgive you for the Amazonas motorbike though...

http://www.parttrade.com/Images/Used...ycle-Parts.jpg

It has a 1600 cc Volkswagen engine and weighs tons. Mind you it was better looking than this similarly-engined Russian "MIG" motorcycle:

http://ratbike.org/photos/y56mig.jpg

Hi Everyone i would just like to clarify some information about the Sundoen factory in Brazil.

The sundown Factory is indeed a Qingqi division Factory which was opened a few years ago if i want to order Qingqi form Brazil and not from China then i Can but that would be to expenseive. The sundown factroy has strong Shares By the Jinan Qingqi Group that is why they are building the same models That are deveploed by Qingqi so Yes Qingqi and Sundown are related I can even import the sundown Graphics on My Motorcycles From Qingqi China.

Hope this helps in some clarification.

regards
Jean-Pierre

Hello Jean-Pierre and everyone

All the information I mentioned before concerning Sundown was taken from their Annual Report that is published on the Net at their site. I quote a small piece of the same "In China, Brasil & Movimento has a product development center where it works in a partnership with two large companies, Qingqi and Zongshen". The report is in English and the respective link to it is: http://www.sundownnet.com.br/site/en....asp?a=empresa .

Cheers from Brazil.

Ricardo. I really like your fender modification as shown in your website. This involves fitting the guard from a Honda CBF250 (also called a twister in Brazil).

http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_engl.htm

http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Novo...tard%20003.jpg

I was thinking of leaving out the original altogether. I've noticed that apart from the riveting to the fork slider guards you've also fitted a thin wire stay at the back. I'll do that as well.

The problem starts when you pop down to those licensed bandits at the Honda spares shop and find that the price here is 150 euros ( US$190) or (449 BRL). Just for comparison, the perfectly well-made original Qingqi mudguard costs 25 euros (US$32) or (75 BRL).

I've noticed that you say that yours is from an aftermarket supplier which is bound to be cheaper. Is it this one:

http://www.artfibras.com.br/loja/

It might not be, as they have some bits for the 250 Twister, but not the front fender. Can you tell me where you got it from. Thanks.

Hi Forchetto, I went today to the same aftermarket parts supplier (Centaurus Moto Peças) where I bought the front fender and took note of the maker's name.

The company name is MELC, and their web address is : http://www.melc.com.br/default.asp . Just to give you an idea of prices, I paid R$ 30,00 (BRL 30,00) for the fender at Centaurus.

After getting the fender I sandpaper it (all the surface), then I made a careful measurement of the fender height in relation to the front fork slider, in addition I used two pieces of rubber (folded) and inserted them on both sides between the fender and the fork sliders BEFORE rivetting the parts. This is fundamental to avoid breakage of the parts, and to avoid unwanted vibration of the mounted set. In reality you will be doing a "sandwich" - the plastic parts will be pressing a piece of rubber folded, in order to cushion the pression of the rivet gun.

Do get a 1 meter long electricity wire (covered with black plastic), and insert it through the small lateral holes you must place at the back end of the fender. The wire will go through the holes, being directed through the inner part of the fender. Good luck!

Fantastic. Thank you.

Hi Forchetto, have you been lucky in your quest for the front fender of you Qingqi QM200GY-BA Super Motard (using the Twister part)?

Cheers.
Ricardo

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Hi Forchetto, have you been lucky in your quest for the front fender of you Qingqi QM200GY-BA Super Motard (using the Twister part)?
Cheers.
Ricardo

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I found a good condition used one on ebay for a low price ($10). I did try to fix it like yours but decided to junk the original "Mad Max" type of guard that I've never liked, and fix the CBF's to the originals mounting points.
I had to separate the guard from the bottom yoke to ensure some space between it and the front frame tube, so I used 4x 25 mm long silentblock rubber mountings with M6 male threads.

It's now totally flexibly mounted. It doesn't stop any shit from hitting the rider but it looks good...mind you the original was no better.

http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...i/leftside.jpg

Good on you Forchetto!

Have you seen the Service manual in Portuguese that Luis Carlos has uploaded?

It's quite wonderful. Lots of ilustrations, every procedure explained and all data included for the Cross and Motard models of the STX Sundown.

See message number 14 on this thread:

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...=6176#post6176

I haven't seen yet the manual, I've just downloaded it following your very useful hint indeed. We have to praise Luis Carlos for sharing with us all such valuable information.
Three cheers for him!

By the way, I improved a little bit more my Sundown STX Motard. I changed the original 12 tooth front sprocket for a 14 tooth Suzuki RM 250 front sprocket (original part). I ordered a 14 tooth front sprocket of the Suzuki DR 350, but the Suzuki dealer delivered to me the RM 250 part. In spite of that I could fit nicely the part, doing some minor adjustments as follows:

- the inner flanged wall is wider than the sprocket width itself (certainly to deliver extra-strength for a motocross bike), so I simply removed the "metallic spacer" in order to re-use the flanged lock washer and to be able to safely tighten the front sprocket nut;

- I had to open the chain at the master link and to connect the ends again after replacing the sprocket. I was fortunate enough to keep the original chain, which lenght was just exactly what I needed to re-assemble the whole set;

- after the service (that was done last Monday, 23/03/2009) I washed thoroughly the whole set before putting back the sprocket cover, and went home to oil the chain (while it was hot due to normal friction) with Bardahl MaxLube oil (specific high viscosity oil for kart and motorcycle chains);

- I am happy with the results up to now - in urban traffic - and I am looking forward to take the road to test properly the bike at different revvs and speeds. I am expecting to get a longer 4th gear, and a much longer 5th gear. In reality I am targeting a cruising speed of around the 100-115 km/h bracket revving at 7.000 rpm.

- when I have some spare time I want to surf the Gearing Commander site ( http://www.gearingcommander.com/ ) in order to work on gear ratios; but, in reality I am expecting to check everything at the road and not virtually.

All the best!

Ricardo

Hi everybody

I have new material concerning my daily usage and trips with my Sundown STX Motard. Please check at this link - http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_engl_1.htm .

Cheers for all!

Ricardo C. da Rocha Lima
39 Years of Motorcycling

Genesis GXT200 = QingQi Supermotard 200 , IN COSTA RICA.

and here Costa Rica this Same SUPUERMOTARD MOTOrcycle has more than 3 names

Companies Names that sell Supermotard 200cc :

GeneSis ---- GXT200b( mine)
KATANA --->XF200
QingQi----( idon have the Serie)
UnitedMotors----UM 200cc Supermoto
MotorCruiser---( idon have the Serie)
and others .....

Hi Chaozan, thank you for your reply and input.
Cheers.
Ricardo

To all friends at MyChinaMoto.com:
I invite you to share with me the trip I did to the land of Kalunga. Check it out at - http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/motard_kalunga_engl.htm.
Thank you.

Thx for posting that, it was a very good read. :thumbsup:

Hi chromedioxide and all "China Moto riders", "late but not least". Finally I am getting back to you with something relevant. In this photo I am collecting my bike, after the 15.000 km maintenance service, at Moto Limongi - Sundown dealer in Goiania - GO - Brazil.

See how my bike is in pristine condition (check link below), after clocking 15.000 km. As the time passes the black colour of my bike´s rims is fading out and this nice copper colour is becoming apparent. Nice combination that I am getting for free, isn´t it? At my right is Marconi - Customer Service receptionist, and at my left is Janio - mechanic who looks after my Motard. Cheers from Goiania - GO - Brazil.

http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Marc...o_25092009.jpg

Ricardo,

The gold rims are sweet! It's like a martials arts black belt, the longer you ride it, the more the color changes! :thumbsup:

The bike looks like new! How did you keep the header/exhaust pipe from rusting???

CC

Hi CrazyCarl, I normally use a liquid wax called Auto Brilho over the whole motorcycle: plastics, rims, engine, etc. It's a very good product that creates a thin protective layer over the surfaces in general. It's worth mentioning that the I live in a region where the air humidity is very low - thus resulting most of the year in a very dry weather. I am sending the link below for you and all. Cheers.
http://www.extra.com.br/DetalheProdu...id=&abzClause=

Thx for the update Ricardo, she's looking really good. Love those coppertone rims.

To all MyChinaMoto.com riders

I invite you to check my most recent trip, to attend the Megacycle event at São Lourenço - MG - BRAZIL, with my Sundown STX Motard. My bike is nearly clocking the 18.000 km mark, and is performing really well. All details are available at this new page of my website: http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/mota...cycle_engl.htm

Cheers

Ricardo

Ricardo, excellent report! keep on riding, and keep the reports coming!!:thumbsup::riding:

I second that! Excellent report and an inspiration to all riders... not just riders of Chinese motos!

You've put some serious km's on your motard and it seems to be holding up well! I think you are totally right about passing people with bigger bikes. With most bikes you can either ride faster or ride longer. Riding fast for too long can be fun but sometimes not good for our health! :lol8:

Cheers,
CC
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