Madass 125(120cc)

Possibily my new City toy....:icon10:

http://202.43.165.157/gramedia/otomo...1_SLM-LEAD.jpg
IN Shanghai, if you have a Huko or have access to one(friend or relative) then you can use a Shanghai "blue" plate. This plate is a scooter plate issued to the HuKo holder and is to be technically used as within that persons district, but this always violated. I have such a Huko available for it seems to be the coolest "legal" bike I can get.... I like a lot of other China Motos but its just too much MaFan around using it in my city in China.:eekers:

If you dont have the above then you can always plate it in other provinces the "typical WeiGuo Ren way":naughty:

http://www.peirspeed.com/images/madass125-500.jpg

BE ADVISED there are a lot of fake Sachs available in China, a lot. FYM in Guang Dong and there boutiques are the only place to get these bikes. The quality is fantastic and Sachs is one off the oldest bike companies(but the bike are completely made in China). Of course if you interested in getting one of these bikes I have ordered a "Few" to sell in my shop in Shnaghai CJ Sidecar....:thumbsup:
http://www.thaisecondhand.com/view/p...p6149522n1.jpg

Ride report to follow soon

Winston

Looks like it would be a blast to ride around on...

Very cute, but is 6.6KW and only four gears make it only a city bike. But it's lightweight and good at what it does, also it looks like it will keep leaning over to 50 degrees with those tires on it, slow speed peg and knee grind fun for hours. :icon10: It would be lots of fun to use on medium sized kart track or in an empty car-park if all your mates had one too. Sachs have a quality reputation so it would probably last better than most Chinese bikes. How much are these?

Is the Sachs Express 150 also available in China?

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Originally Posted by Jim

Looks like it would be a blast to ride around on...

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Definitely a inner city bike.... I have a few Chang Jiangs for traveling and touring. But driving my CJ inside the city is hard on the bike and a pain because its a motorcycle as wide as a car so I can split lanes and often I get stuck in Shanghai's imfamous traffic.....:riding: No one likes getting stuck behind a Chinese bus in August.....:wheelchair:

The Sachs will let me make the 10min drive to my motorcycle shop everday to go to work.... I am going to have to leave my old CJ outside of my shop and hide the Sachs in the back so customers dont know:lol8:

Also the one I tested here in Shanghai wheelies like crazy.... Hen Hao Wan!!!

You should send me one for testing purposes :riding: :naughty::naughty::naughty: One of the "few" you mentioned :thumbsup:

Only kidding, but they do look like fun. I wonder if they would be legal here, probably registered as a scooter...

Very cool :thumbsup:

Where is FYM in Guangdong?

Cheers!
ChinaV

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Is the Sachs Express 150 also available in China?

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No they only offer the madass 125(120CC), and the X road (150cc)
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...et-_460x0w.jpg
The Xroad is by order only and they dont seem to crazy about selling it. They used to offer a 50cc madass but the 120 replaced it all togther. Interestingly though illegal you can replace it with large displacement scooter engines for maybe 200cc madass 125.

:icon10:[QUOTE=Only kidding, but they do look like fun. I wonder if they would be legal here, probably registered as a scooter...[/QUOTE]

Hey Jim,

In Shanghai the low down is this.... You can aquire a Shanghai A scooter plate with a Huko and 20,000 rmb. Its good for 8 years. At anytime you can return the plate for recycling (legally) and get back what ever the market value is at that time and in shanghai its more than likely you will get what you put into it mabye a little more or less. So really your renting a plate.

I have gone through the process with a fine tooth comb.
When mine is ready I will be excited to ride a 100% legal bike.

The price breakdown for FYM in Shanghai(showroom), the factory is in GuangDong.... is:

9,880 rmb Bike
20,000 rmb plate
80 rmb annual insurance
600 rmb service fee:eek2:
40 rmb inspection fee(annual or bi annual not quite sure)
95 rmb road tax
40 rmb serivce fee:eek2:
635 rmb sales tax
10 rmb (not really sure):confused1:
TOTAL PRICE

31,500 rmb:eekers:
Being completely legal for INNER CITY driving PRICELESS:icon10:

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Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers

Being completely legal for INNER CITY driving PRICELESS:icon10:

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Careful there.
Don't want to burst your bubble but the cops are on to the engine displacement swap deal. I heard just last week of one being confiscated due to an oversize engine.
They may look stupid driving around with the pursuit lights on all the time but don't let the look fool you............notice they've stopped wearing white socks with the uniform ?

Nick,

This is not an engine swap. In china you are not allowed alter the vehicle from the original form. This bike is produced with a 120cc displacement engine from the factory it is not the 50cc model. They no longer produce the 50cc version. I will be using a LEGAL "big scooter" plate not a 49cc plate which is only 3000 rmb with a Hu Ko from select districts....

But thanks for the warning.

Actually this all started because I wanted to finally drive something that was truely legal for Shanghai. I have spoken with the goverment and the local police. Eventhing is above board!:icon10:

I know it amazing.... but the plate is expensive....

Winston

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Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers

Nick,
I will be using a LEGAL "big scooter" plate not a 49cc plate which is only 3000 I have spoken with the goverment and the local police. Eventhing is above board!

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That's good news.......I'd no idea that there were big scooter blue plates. I thought blue was under 50cc and anything over be it a scooter or a bike got yellow..............I've seen big scooters with yellow plates. Impossible to keep up with all these regulations.

Have you had trouble with the Chang riding downtown ?

Neither was I.
The whole reason sachs builder in GuangDong build the 120cc model is to meet this requirment (I think). The bike is labled as the Madass 125 but the builder clearly states is actual displacement is 120cc. I not sure if the export model is 125cc or also 120cc. It might be for the domestic Chinese market the lower the displacement.
As I currently understand it;
Bikes with displacements 125cc and over get yellow motorcycle plates. Bikes 50cc and over get large displacement scooter plates and under 50cc bike can get a blue plate at a lower cost (but not all under 50cc bike can get this plate, pocket bikes for one and mini dirtbikes). I believe the small LPG's and LNG's fall in the smaller catagory.
You still need a HuKu from a family or friend, but they dont need a motorcycle endorcment for the scooter plate. Shanghai C plates(outside districts) can not go into the center of the city, the danger of confication is very real. This plate also has the added trouble of the fact that the Huko holder must also hold a vaild motorcycle drivers license.
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Have you had trouble with the Chang riding downtown ?

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No not..... yet:thumbsup:
But tomorrow is another day.

Actually today I went out on a roadside repair for a friend who was riding a SOLO:naughty: from Pudong. He had a flat and obviously no spare. He had just cleared the FuXing tunnel and the tire went POP!!:eekers:. I used the YanAn elevated to get to Tibet rd. exit the drove around Yu Yuan for an hour looking for him with my CJ. We then fixed the bike in front of the police station(very stupid) and then at 3:30 today we rode together from Peoples Square to Gubei on the elevated rd.

Holy Cow! :eekers:

$2,900 US Dollars to register a bike under 125cc!

I hope the Shanghai authorities never wonder why they lost the mototgp! :lol8:

Shame it didn't go to Zhuhai though.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Holy Cow! :eekers:

$2,900 US Dollars to register a bike under 125cc!

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Makes @35,000 RMB for a Shanghai car plates a bargain huh.

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Originally Posted by Nick in PRC.

Makes @35,000 RMB for a Shanghai car plates a bargain huh.

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It cost the same 35,000 rmb for a 150cc or larger bike. At least then you can upsale that to a car plate....
For the less then 150cc plate you can resell to the dealer when you dont want it or transfer it to the next toy or person.

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Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers

It cost the same 35,000 rmb for a 150cc or larger bike. At least then you can upsale that to a car plate....

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Yeah until they change the rules one dark night. That's what happened to the Dealer I got my Shanghai CJ plate from.

Apparently he had a stock, that became worthless next day after a rule change.
He hadn't owned them long enough to trade them in and they weren't yet transferred onto new bikes.

Wow that just sounds like really bad luck and timing. I fear this could happen to any of us at anytime. Fortunately I am only holding one plate.

You know some dark night they are going to decide to enforce all those motorcycle and CJ laws, then we are all left with something we can not use or sell! OUR BIKES!

That why i like this, and let me correct myself "light motorcycle" not "big scooter" plate. It will allow me to drive in and out of the downtown area completely without fear of harrasment, fines, or jail....

Just some footage of the a stock Madass 125 in the hands of a decent rider!

ITS ALL SHIT..... NICK was right its an engine swap. As I went to pick up the bike I took a quick glance at my new 20,000 rmb plate book and saw the bike was offically a 50 cc. when the engine is a 125.... The made up the shit about having a lite motorcycle plate its just a F*@KIng scooter plate on a motorcycle the cant even be registered as a motorcycle do to the fact that the have swapped the engine............ I almost killed someone. In my range I called the cops to the shop the came but nothing happened.... :eekers: nothing

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Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers

ITS ALL SHIT..... NICK was right its an engine swap. As I went to pick up the bike I took a quick glance at my new 20,000 rmb plate book and saw the bike was offically a 50 cc. when the engine is a 125.... The made up the shit about having a lite motorcycle plate its just a F*@KIng scooter plate on a motorcycle the cant even be registered as a motorcycle do to the fact that the have swapped the engine............ I almost killed someone. In my range I called the cops to the shop the came but nothing happened.... :eekers: nothing

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Waitaminute, did you actually pay all that cash (31,500 RMB!) before you found out about the "engine swap", or did you notice it beforehand?

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Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers

ITS ALL SHIT.....

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TIC.


Bummer.........any redress, can you get your money back or is it head cracking time?

Dude... You seem to be pretty cool about it. I'd be pissing all over their shop. :taz:

Any more updates?

CC

For an update.... Here's what happened..... I had not paid yet.... getting the money 3000 rmb at a time from the ATM is a job and a half, plus getting time to run around to the shop and back was difficult. So I just happened to be near the shop and decided to pop in and get a look.... for inspiration.

I knew about the swaps and things in the past so I asked to see the blue book of a customers bike that was in the shop. They had it and let me see it. I saw it was registered as a 50cc and asked what size the engine was(playing dumb) they said the changed it for a 125cc. Then all hell broke loose....

Anyway after giving them a quick yet very mild tongue lashing (i do manage a CJ shop in shanghai after all, I mean that would defineitly be calling the kettle black!)

I looked into it further, and of course its illegal and if some one ever found out I would surely loose it.....

Illegal but do able....

Long story short...... I bought a few days later.....:eekers:stupid yes maybe but it is fun....:icon10:


Winston

You can buy it in Chengdu - Sichuan Province China

Not sure, They have a website for Shanghai's "Boutique" shop but like everything in China, you can just order the bike from the factory... which is in Guang Dong. Becareful of the many copies....