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Hello everyone,
My name is Brad and I am from SAGA Canada, we are an importer that represents Benzhou Group. They are a manufacturer of one of the top branded scooters in North America as well we offer the first DOT approved 250 enduro.
If you have any questions,I will be glad to answer them.
www.sagacanada.ca
Thanks,
Brad
Brad,
Welcome to MCM and thanks for taking a minute to post up. If you'd like, feel free to put up a post in the dealers section where you can display your models (both bikes and babes :icon10:) and solicit opinions about products.
Let me know any ideas you may have on making MCM a more useful place for dealers, distributors and customers to hang out and exchange ideas.
Paz,
CC
Questions.
1)The 250 is not counter balanced is it?
2)Prices? Is the price on your website the MSRP? Is that the best prices?
3)You are the guys down on Mufford Cres right? (edit: answered this by checking your website)
4)You aren't the guys spamming craiglist right? That's X-Rage(lifan.ca)**?
5)How would you compare your bikes to X-rage? The 250 Lifan "style" bike they have is very similar, but it only costs $1699.00 (add $100 for assembly) . Granted their company has a bad reputation, of being rude, not appearing to have interest in doing business with the customer, spamming craigslist, and I believe they were kicked out of the Vancouver Motorcycle Show, but I am not certain on that. **
6)The rear shock on the 250, can you PM me a price on one of those, and possibly a picture? Thanks.
Thanks Brad.
** The above text about X-Rage / Lifan.ca is not verified fact and is a statement of opinion, and as such is not defamation.
Question Round 2.
1)I don't know how familiar you are with the Lifan bikes, but a common "issue" with them is the front brake, where the pad extends a little past the edge of the brake disc, and often the brakes make a rattling or other strange noise (usually while pushing them)... I see that you guys have a "fancier" brake disc, and different setup on them, do you know if your brake acts similar, with the noise and so on...
2)Do you guys have anyway to lower the bike (the 250)?
3)Sprockets, do you carry replacement sprockets, and sprockets of different sizes?
4)The brakes appear to be anti-locking, is that correct?
5)What brand of tires are on the bike?
Thanks again.
:thumbsup::riding:
Hi Jim,
Thanks for your interest and for your valid questions, In regard to answering them it's as follows:
1)The 250 is not counter balanced is it?-
No it is not
2)Prices? Is the price on your website the MSRP? Is that the best prices?- Yes...It is our MSRP.
We have 35+ dealers in Canada and it would be up to the dealer to neg on price. Our dealers can't sell for more than $3199.00
3)You are the guys down on Mufford Cres right? (edit: answered this by checking your website).
Enough said
4)You aren't the guys spamming craiglist right? That's X-Rage(lifan.ca)**?
No we are not...our legal representatives are taking care of this
5)How would you compare your bikes to X-rage? The 250 Lifan "style" bike they have is very similar, but it only costs $1699.00 (add $100 for assembly) . Granted their company has a bad reputation, of being rude, not appearing to have interest in doing business with the customer, spamming craigslist, and I believe they were kicked out of the Vancouver Motorcycle Show, but I am not certain on that. **
The difference in quality is comparing apples to oranges...I'm not familiar with this product but for a $1699.00 price tag it probably isn't DOT approved. It would be registered as an off road bike.
6)The rear shock on the 250, can you PM me a price on one of those, and possibly a picture? Thanks.
I'm looking into this and will respond when I have proper info.
1)I don't know how familiar you are with the Lifan bikes, but a common "issue" with them is the front brake, where the pad extends a little past the edge of the brake disc, and often the brakes make a rattling or other strange noise (usually while pushing them)... I see that you guys have a "fancier" brake disc, and different setup on them, do you know if your brake acts similar, with the noise and so on...
With our ABS brake system, there is no road noise
2)Do you guys have anyway to lower the bike (the 250)?
You can lower the rear shock about 1"
3)Sprockets, do you carry replacement sprockets, and sprockets of different sizes?
Yes we do...we are waiting for more inventory to arrive shortly
4)The brakes appear to be anti-locking, is that correct?
They are not anti lock...we have an ABS system "Adjustable Braking System" which allows the rider to adjust the brakes to there riding style. It adjusts the grip of the pads on the rotor
5)What brand of tires are on the bike?
They are a brand called SBL
I hope that answers your questions
Ride safe...
Brad
Brad,
You can see ol' Jim is front and center with the questions there and thanks for taking the time to answer. I checked out your web page and it looks like a good spread of machines...are they all Benzhou? Would you mind if I ask what/how you decided to go with Benzhou over other manufacturers? Also, what's you're position in the company?
Feel free to answer these questions off-line or not at all if you consider them sensitive information. Just curious about how you guys are set up, how you feel about the manufacturer and a what your goals are.
Paz,
CC
Hi Carl...
Asking questions is all part of the the information circle and I'm glad to provide all the answers to Jim's questions.
All our Scooters are Benzhou and our enduro is manufactured by Chong Quing Kaier.We went with Benzhou because of there quality,features and design. This partnership will allow us to work closely together to providing a quality product and to expand our innovation. We are in the process of bringing in a 250cc 4 stroke scooter..details to follow. What sets us apart from other distributors is that we only deal in Scooters and Enduro bikes. We have a few ATV's but we will be phazing them out. As well, we offer our dealers and extended warranty program which allows the consumer to purchase an extended 2 yr warranty for $299 on top of the 1 yr they get when they purchase the scooter,so it ends up being a 3 yr parts and labour warranty.
My role in the company is that I am a manufacture's agent which aligns prospective dealers to our products,parts and accessories.
I hope this answers your question.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions Brad :)
About the X-Rage bikes, I think you are probably right about the registration, however, they could likely be provincially inspected and then registered for the road couldn't they? Sorry this is really out of your field since it is a different company, the only thing that appeals to me about that company is the prices, I have phoned them in the past, and I believe his name was Doug, I think he is the one in charge of sales, he really did not seem interested in doing business with me, so I made sure we didn't. The thing of interest to me about them, next to price, is that their Lifan Style 200 and 250 6, are VERY similar to my Lifan LF200 GY6, except for the swing arm, and they have the non balanced engine, essentially, if I was looking for plastics or a seat they should have them, whether they would care to do business with me or not is not certain.
Brad, do you work in the Mufford Cres location? I may stop by one day, when the weather gets nicer of course, and I have my bike back on the road...
Hi Jim,
Your Welcome
As stated previously, I am unfamiliar with X-Rage and there product as well as who they get there products from so I can't tell you but, what I can tell you is that he only ships to BC and Alberta probably because of the registration laws are not as strict as the rest of the country. The things that distiguish the price point is one of two things:
1) The materials that are used in making the bike(ie) Metal strength in the frame,bearings in the swing arm,wheels and triple tree. Is it a metal or plastic tank?If it is plastic...its not a DOT,rims ect
2)Is that they are reducing it to get rid of the there 2007 or 2008 inventory.
I checked there website and it seems to be closed.
At the end of the day it is up to you the consumer in what you want in a bike.
No, I do not work in BC...I live on the other coast and look after Ont,QC and Atlantic Canada.... Dan or Calvin will gladly assist you!
Again Jim, I hope I answered your questions
Take Care,
Brad
I own a GY250 C2 and it's a great machine.
I can't say enough about saga Canada.They have a decent machine for sale.
3199$ might be a lot of money to some for a china bike but I think mine's worth the money.It is a street legal machine.They have worked hard to get this machine to be a reliable.
As for service I'll say it again and again that Saga has been great to deal with.I had the turn signal flasher unit fail and they sent me one no problems ( and paid the shipping).I'll ride the machine lots this year and see how it does, but I fell confident that no matter what happens with normal use that SAGA will take care of warrenty and parts issues.
For the record I don't work for them...:) just bought a bike from Dan and Calvin last fall.
Also SAGA CANADA can you email me that saga avatar.I'd love to use it on this forum also as my avatar.PM me
Sounds good Brad :)
Yes the tank is metal by the way (or at least it is on my Lifan I got from Coast to Coast, and theirs looks similar). Anyways this is all irrellevant and off topic anyways...
I guess I may as well just wait for a nice day and go down and talk to Dan or Calvin about that shock...
Hey Brad I was wondering if you are familair with the Konker brand (orr Qingqi / Qlink)?
Hi Jim,
Yes I do....they are pushing the pitbike line(125cc-140cc with 14"-12" wheels which to me looks to be a decent product. They are trying to introduce the Lembrettea line which I don't think its from the same company back in the late 60's:popcorn:. and its a 2 stroke if my memory serves me correctly.
I think the biggest trail bike they have is a 200cc looks like a GY 5? As well they dabble in ATV's.
Overall...Good guy,alot of money invested in advertising,great looking pitbikes but tough to compete with Pitster Pro and others
What they have now is much more impressive then that, they've got their new bike they call a KSM200 (maybe a different name for the dual sport version)... It is a Qingqi 200 Super Moto, very nice machine, and Qingqi is the company in cahoots with Suzuki (Just ask Carl about them)... The reason I brought that up, and no offense to your product line intended, is in my opinion, these are a nicer bike (re: Suzuki Reference), and that they have the msrp set only at $2995... Keep in mind I am a cheap bugger, but I also keep in mind bang for the buck... I know that the Konker here is a 200 and you have a 250, but that is not the only difference in the bike, and I think the Konker (Qingqi) makes up for the lack of extra 50cc with the quality that comes from the same factory that is working with Suzuki.
Again, I am not trying to offend or argue, just pointing out some of the competition as I think it is good to know what else is out there and how they are priced when working in a relatively new and growing market...
Hi Jim,
No offence taken and I truly appreciate the info....I saw that they had a new dual sport version(QM200GY-B(SD) at the bike show but not the motard version(QM200GY-B(ASD) as stated in your reply.Did they bring in the motard version as well? I must say the motard version is impressive.
Jim, do you know if it is DOT approved?When they register them are they still considered off road (Dual sport version)?Warranty? Is it limited?
At the end of the day it is up to the purchaser in what he wants and the extra's in service and the after the sale commitment by the dealership..... thanks for the feedback.
Your not a cheap bugger Jim!....your a "Thrifty rider"
Brad
LOL, I see you found that...
I believe, and could be wrong here, that the dealer I spoke too told me they have 6 month warranty... So you've got them beat there, though in my opinion, and experience, I haven't needed the warranty in that time frame, and with parts on Chinese bikes being so cheap anyways, I'd rather a lower initial purchase price, and tough it out for parts if the issue came up. That's just my preference though, others will vary..
I don't KNOW for certain whether the bike is dot approved, I am assuming it is, and that it would be registered for the road, but I guess I would have to go back and ask... The dealer I talked to only had the Motard version, he didn't have the dual sport version. I know Konker had been working on getting it for quite a while now, I had been there (the main importer this time, not the dealer) probably the middle of last year, and they had one sitting in the show room but they weren't yet selling them, I think they were working on having them dot approved at the time?
Then again, here in BC it is pretty easy to register a bike for the road, I don't have any experience with other provinces...
Just as an FYI,
Our warranty program is a 1 yr/5000km parts and labour warranty with the option to purchase an additional extended 2 yr for I think $199.00 for the scooters and $249.00 for the enduro(Please forgive me..we just signed an agreement with Crossroads Warranty).
It's big money to DOT nationally...I hope there are no hiccups. :rolleyes1:
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Also SAGA CANADA can you email me that saga avatar.I'd love to use it on this forum also as my avatar.PM me[/QUOTE]
Ken,
IM me your email address
Brad
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Originally Posted by SAGACanada
Yep, as I said, you do have them beat on warranty :thumbsup:
I also am not certain about their dot certification one way or the other, maybe one day they will show up here and answer, as far as I am aware, they are, but I have no fact, I haven't spoken directly to the guys at Konker in months..
How much power does the 250cc engine you use produce?
Brad , what are the recomended spec for valve ajustment for the GY250 C2 2008 engines?
I believe but don't qoute me on this but I think::confused1:Quote:
Originally Posted by kens
The GY200's are 0.06mm -0.08mm for intake and 0.08mm and 0.10mm for the exhaust valve
The GY250's are .10mm-.15mm for intake and .15mm-.20mm for exhaust
I'm not a mechanic.... but Im sure someone will help out!
Thanks,
Brad
Considering 15cc-17cc = 1hpQuote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
247cc's = 14.5hp to 16.4hp
Thanks,
Brad
Hey there,
I just saw this post and thought Id chine in on here. The Konker ON ROAD warranty is 1 year, parts and Labour on everything. This warranty can be used Canada wide from dealer to dealer and not restricted to one dealership..
Also, we had a test ride from a non biased source who did a write up for anyone interested..
http://cmgonline.com/content/view/1387/57/
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Originally Posted by Jim
Alas, not very powerful. :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad
Yamaha YBR250 - 249.00 cc - 21.05 HP
That's interesting, my friend and I just bought two of them a few days ago (our first motorcycles), and we both had the same problem -- less than 70km on the bikes and both of our indicators have failed. Did you ever figure out what the problem was, or does the whole switch assembly need replacing?Quote:
Originally Posted by kens
So far they're fun little bikes, I love the gear indicator and they shift very nicely. You can't beat the price, either. Ours didn't include a manual -- what fuel are you putting in yours? I am using regular and although once warm it idles at 4000 RPM, it usually takes at least a minute of hitting the electric start to get the engine going and then I have to hold the throttle open for another 3-5 minutes so that it doesn't stall out. That is pretty frustrating -- do these engines need premium fuel?
Darkmoon,
Welcome to MCM and these bike should definitely NOT need premium fuel.
This may be a question worth asking as a new post in the "Maintenance" section with more details and what you may have already done to solve the problem. Giving us an idea of your mechanical experience isn't a bad idea either. :thumbsup:
Paz.
CC
Hi Dark moon
I just use regular pump fuel with my Saga 250.As for idle at cold start on a new machine, it will get better as it breaks in.My machine idles awsome now after warm up after it broke in.Also adjust the iles up to 2000 rpm cold and adjust it down after it is warmed up during break in to make life a bit easyer.
As for the turn signals not working , it is the flasher relay that is the problem.Saga canada will give you another one no problem.Contact your local dealer or call Saga wearhouse let them know.
The choke is a bit tricky and you need to hold it up tight on cold start,then it will stay on the "steps" as it warms up.Just remember to hold it up tight on start or it will seem hard to start.
I'm going to start a Saga mod thread where we can discuss mods to fix up little issues.
Hi Brad and all, I'm new here and have a few questions. I bought a 2009 Saga 250 privately this month with 2 km on it (brand new). My questions are what if anything can I do about warranty? I have erratic idling/stalling problems (I now have 250km), found the signal light switch wouldn't stay on left turn (loose screw on lever), cracks to bottom of windshield at mounting screws, tires way out of balance (adding Dyna Beads) and headlights aren't bright enough and aimed too low. Now the left amber lens in the tail light came loose and is rattling around in the housing. Is it possible to substitute a halogen bulb (I did it to my Yamaha 180cc)? Is there any way to raise the rear shock height as I lightly scrape bottom going through driveways. Once I wear out the rear tire I'd like to substitute a higher profile tire. All in all I think the scooter is pretty decent so far for the price range, but do have a few concerns.
Thanks, Ron
Ron,
You may want to PM or contact SagaCanada directly if you haven't already.
CC