Folks,
just now i got a rumor that came from a friends drivers mouth that Beijing would ban motorcycles inside 6th ring.
Is that an "1st of April" joke or has someone of you got some additional intel about that?
ShuBen
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Folks,
just now i got a rumor that came from a friends drivers mouth that Beijing would ban motorcycles inside 6th ring.
Is that an "1st of April" joke or has someone of you got some additional intel about that?
ShuBen
Not rumour actually but as it turns out it only affects non Jing-plated bikes. Starting from April 11th all non Jing-plated motorcycles will not be allowed within Beijing's 6th ring (used to be 5th ring). Jing A and Bs are not affected apparently. The wording on the media reports made it seem as if ALL motorcycles world be banned.
As for enforcement, well, we'll see how that works out. I don't recall the 5th Ring Road rule ever being adhered to.
Also, after President Xi Jinping's call for austerity measures, as well as implementing "green technology", the Traffic Police have found it necessary to make some adjustments to patrol vehicles ...
http://i60.tinypic.com/2llf2v7.jpgT
Another silly practically unenforcable law made up by unelected car drivers. :rolleyes1:
Why all these bans? I don't know about Beijing but where I am, I'm a 1%er! The 1% of motorcyclists who is actually legal! Maybe if the police did their farking job.....:icon10:
I have also heard that Jing A's will have the one day no drive stipulation to motorcycles according the the #'s on the tag....
On a brighter note it seems that the rumoured Jing B Gong Hu (company registration) ban has not been implemented (yes, that passes as a brighter note for motorcycling in China).
April 11th is the target date of these restrictions..could be it will take place then
The government/police have lost ALL credibility with these "laws" that are rarely enforced and have minuscule penalties.
Case in point ...http://english.cri.cn/6909/2014/04/08/3441s821023.htm
Fine for jaywalking is 10 rmb. Come on. What the hell can I buy in Beijing for 10 rmb? One third a cup of Starbucks? Half a Filet of Fish burger? These fines are a f'n joke!
Please gods, let me be King for a little while.
Jaywalking? First offence, 1,000 rmb, payable on the spot (yes, we accept credit/debit cards). Hit by a car while jaywalking/crossing against a light? You become 100% responsible for your own injuries. My new rules, as King, would be in line with those found in the West.
Enforcement? 24/7, by ALL police, including those "administrative" guys that drive around on their fat asses doing piss all. As King, I'd also open up the motorcycling environment, while simultaneously cracking down (without mercy) on the illegal bikes.
I'd probably last about .... hmmmm ... a month, as King, before there was a palace revolt and my head was chopped off. Nevertheless, it would be a good month.
Are you sure LJH? 'Jaywalking' is a slippery tricky old one. Some countries 'jaywalking' is simply not crossing in a designated area. In other countries 'jaywalking' is crossing the road in a suicidal manner in an incredibly stupid place without looking. Being China they'd take the former rather than the latter, thus in effect making the car even more king than it already is an introducing loads of fat ass office jockey police into the busiest places in town to feed like sharks on the jaywalking cash bonanza if the weather is nice enough. Very bad idea IMHO. I'm sure of this because of the insane amount of speed cameras even in tiny villages and on intersections with no traffic. Camera = chance to make money from office. Safety of road users? Ha ha, last reason ever.
However I agree with people jaywalking/riding ebikes/cycles/bicycles the wrong way down roads being forced to pay their own hospital bills and opening up the places for legal bikes and cracking down very hard on illegal bikes. But I doubt I'll ever see anything open up for bikes. Car drivers have had everything their own way for too long I'm afraid.
No registration bikes should be seized, crushed and then a 10,000 yuan fine otherwise it's just ridiculous, I know Chinese people with bikes who have everything they need to register their bike. Legal made in China bike with VIN and fapiao, ID card, local Hukou etc, everything, and here its only about 350 yuan plus 650 yuan insurance over 250cc and about 200 yuan insurance under 250cc, at most 1000 yuan even for a big bike. Yet some how they have this mentality that they don't need to waste their money on this, as though it was like asking to put a registration plate on a bicycle. Surely this culture must end? It's this flip-flop between lax as heck or fascist as hell which I can't understand. I'm from the UK where most laws are reasonable and to make the country safer, but China seems to be country with petty childish laws to enforce some kind of insecure infantile hierarchy, with no thought to safety that are either totally ignored or followed mercilessly.
Total lack of understanding the concept of safety in this country!
Getting turned down to get onto the highways in other provinces beside BJ, because it's not supposed to be safe for motorcycles according to police/toll personnel. The provincial road full of trucks, potholes, debris, sand, etc is safe for motorcycles obviously!
Stop it! We live in a Logic Free Zone and you will hurt yourself if you keep trying to use logic!
Ditto that! Outside of the major cities becoming legal can be difficult. I'm still only half legal. After a month police friends finally helped get the tag, I'm the first foriegner ever in Shangqiu, Henan to register a vehicle. I still don't have the drivers license. They say that I need to go to Zhengzhou. When I ask when and where they say we'll call you and tell you mingtian, tomorrow. I guess I'll go for the DL next fall when I move to Wuhan.
For all I know, the local authorities can provide you with a license. They just your passport, visa and residential permit for it. You, in turn, need to take an exam. What happens here is: they got no idea how to process foreigner's papers, and, thusly, they just don't try to. They're sending you to ZhengZhou just because they believe that the local police might have had some experience dealing with foreigners.
I got my lic years ago.... C1D I think.. they originally place my nationality as Chinese .... which gave me no problems til this year when I was told to move my lic to Beijing.. and then it couldn't be done until my old location which had issued the license ..... changed the nationality.. had an old girlfriend take care of it for me by traveling to the old Provence that had first issued my lic. and had them change it .. easy as pie....
Hi Guys,
What's the penalty for getting caught with a non-BJ plate within the 6th ring? I live in Shanghai now and plan to move to Bejing and bring my legally plated Hu-A bike to Beijing.
If I get caught would it get confiscated or is it a 3 points deduction and 100 RMB fine?
Surely it's a local bylaw? How could detention, confiscation or points be possible as that would need a vote in the national People's congress? Surely it's just a fine, but TIC a logic free zone so who knows? :icon10:
@wrangler ...
Typically, it is a 100 rmb fine (no points), although the penalty can go up to 200 rmb and 3 points (but that is apparently rare, and reserved for riders who mouth off to the police). Also, the traffic cameras rarely nab a motorcycle, except on the Airport Expressway, where riding in the Emergency Lane can result in a 100 rmb ticket (I know people who have had this happen to).
I'd like to say "don't worry", but who knows. Enforcement seems very hit & miss, with zero consistency.
@ZMC ...
Somehow, and I am not entirely sure how, a jurisdiction's local police have the authority to hand out "administrative detention" penalties at their discretion. There was that recent case of a guy in Shandong getting 5 days detention for saying the police were "cowards" after he got a parking ticket. Linkie 1 Linkie 2 (where the police apologize)
And in a recent case in Beijing, 60 "models" were arrested in a police sting. Linkie This is a weird case, because the "models" apparently showed up for an interview, as opposed to actually "working". But who knows, maybe they were the "working" girl type of "model"?
I also recall some discussion about the ability for police to detain someone (without charge or trial) for up to 2 years (or is it 3?) for disrupting social order, and a myriad of other "crimes."
I'd guess that the rule and penalty including enforcement would be similar to what occurs in SH, whereby an out of town plate or even the Hu (SH) C bike plate caught in the downtown area designated for Hu (SH) A & B plated bikes, receive a fine without points provided that everything else connected with the bike and rider is in order.
I've had this occur to me on a couple of occasions. Once in the outskirts of XiaoShan, as I was riding to SH from NB. Rode up to a set of traffic lights stopping at the red traffic light/signal. As I sat waiting for 'the green', a young-ish PSB cop walks over and in fairly decent English informs me that bikes are forbidden in that part or on that road. I replied that I was unaware of this (truthfully didn't know & had ridden the same route multiples times on rides NB-SH-NB without incident). I politely and with a smile, asked where I could ride to head towards SH. The cop replied and indicated to take the next road to my right. No ticket.
Another time when visiting the ShaoXing medical university, I rode my bike through the town with a local lass (med student) as pillion. We were stopped by two cops at an intersection in the heart of the town, again at a set of traffic lights/signals on a red. We had to park the bike beside the small police relocatable type building. The cops said it was a CNY200 no points. I protested politely that I was unaware that there was a bike ban in the town (truth was I'd forgotten). The cops pointed out verbally that there were signs on all main approach roads into the town. I had however come in on a minor road that had crossed some mountains & hills, which was truthful and there were no such signs. They looked at my PRC D/L and were preparing to ticket me the CNY200, but they had difficulty processing my D/L because they had to hand write the ticket. The pair stumbled/fumbled with my name on my D/L which was in English and it's a long name by Ch!nese standards, but worse for the two cops was that they were unsure that my passport number on the my D/L (but was near the centre at the top underneath the D/L title etc) was what should be entered on their ticket for the PRC ID number... I didn't help them work that out. In their frustration, they relented and let me off. I was polite as all heck, and left my bike there (after asking them if this would be ok) so me and the lass could have some lunch nearby. On our return, we asked the two cops where to ride then to get back to the uni... no problems, we took side streets. Next visit, I drove my car...
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Yea.
U can often save urself some trouble just by being nice, polite, smiling and 1st addressing the officer with a kind "Jǐngguān Nǐ hǎo!".
Still, there's always the occasional stubborn racist cop to make all ur efforts in respect & niceness vain.
Once I got billed 1 point and 50 RMB for:
- "illegal lane crossing" while crossing a right turn lane from a sidewalk till a straight going lane where I stopped at the red light; in an effort to not block right turners.
- "failure to present technical control sticker" while riding a brand new bike.
It's not a big penalty, but it sure feels unfair to see countless trikes and chariots taking every available wrong way in and around that crossway in total impunity while he prints ur bill after u spent so much time, money and energy getting fully legit.
Since then I know it's not because u have valid D/L, insurance, plate, latest technical control sticker and a helmet like this Attachment 15311 that u should stop.
If he's running towards u blowing his lungs out through his whistle, he's probably in for the kill.
I only stop if I'm 101% sure I did nothing wrong AND if he's calmly walking towards me.
Any other situation; i'm not gonna let him invent a way to fine me again. Left, right, left, Bzzzzt!!! :riding:
I know it's bad but TIC and that's how it's done here.
Here is a detailed post (with maps) over on motorfans about motorcycle restrictions in Beijing ...
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17607412.htm
Looks like it is the 6th Ring Road for non-Beijing bikes.
Correction to my previous post: non-Beijing bikes used to be allowed outside the 4th Ring which gave them the same status as Jing B plated bikes. So quite a big blow for motorcyclists from outside of Beijing wanting to visit the city.
Thats how it is done all over .... I live outside the 5th .. right outside... own both plated and non plated bikes.. so far....no problems and gas stations will sell without checking ...use my non plated bike in the city all the time.. so far, even when the cops are checking the autos around me at a stop light .. they just walk on by with hardly a look our way....Quote:
I know it's bad but TIC and that's how it's done here.
I got my new jing B plate for new bike in Mentougou, I am told now that as of May, no longer need (issued) front plate. Anyone else heard or experienced this already?
Yes, that is correct - the front plate is no longer required. There have also been a few other minor traffic-rule changes affecting motorcycles (e.g., the CCC requirements noted on another thread). There are also rumors of additional, and more significant, changes coming in the Fall. However, as everyone learns after a few years of riding around Beijing, there are ALWAYS lots of rumors about what is coming.
What rumours have you heard?