Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello,
I like the CG based pushrod engines and a looked for a quite big one.
I was happy to find a 167 FMM for low money.
I could not find manufacturer sign on the engine ? The only one is Tornado embossed at the basis of cylinder ? Who knows where it can come from ?
The bike has manufaturing date 2009.
The bike was (not) stored and piston was locked in cylinder from some rust.
Did not move from kick starteer gently pushed but came pushed by fingers after opening.
I fear it is not easy to find over bore pistons for this ?
Perhaps complete set cylinder + piston ?
Many thanks and lots of regards for all.
Fred
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Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
YES.
http://gd4.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/26...-266897531.jpg
There's 65.5mm direct-fit kit in tb. The thin 65.5 rings isn't par to the regular one's quality. http://forum.jorsindo.com/forum.php?...ad7tid=2373346
Higher compression ratio (thinner gasket or 125 "head" ) is a more reasonable way to mod 150.
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello
Many thanks for fast answer !
Do you know how many manufacturer make or have made this 167FMM ?
I openend the engine quite fully today.
Clutch system was clogged and I cleaned as well as possible cylinder, piston and rings and I will try to start this way first.
I anything else is OK, I could order new piston and rings and rebore.
Lots of regards.
Fred
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Who knows how many Chonda maker. #1 rule when buying Chinese parts ref to measurement (mm), shape etc. Famous air-cool CG250 is Lifan & Zongshen. Air-cool "167FMM" is replaced by water-cool "170MM" in domestic market (overloaded trike).
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Hopefully it's not as bad as this http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...=434490&page=1 POS.
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Hello,
I forgot to check piston pin Ø ; is 15mm and not 16.
I will clean piston cylinder and rings today and I have to make seals to be able to re assemble.
I found various brand logo on several parts. I try to find names (no hurry).
Inside of engine is very clean and parts looks to be well machined in good metal.
I am starting in trying to understand history of all those Chonda engines.
Many thanks.
Fred
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello,
I start with one question ; When you give diemnsion for distance of holes in cylinder, do you consider to axis or minimum distance from side of each bore ?
I checked from axis and measurement do not fit.
Rest of the story of my 167FMM ; The piston is not 67 (?) but 65.5 and marked inside CB250.
No dimension correspond with the very complete file Minyang but in the Dongya the piston rigns for CB250 also fit ; 65.5 and thickness 0.8 + 0.8 + 2.8 as rings for CB250-G.
Also the cylinder measurement are different. The sleeve Ø is 70/72 and heights are different.
I will take all on a paper and give you.
It seems known that some 167FMM engines exist with this 65.5x66.2 dimension.
Not simple !
Many thanks;
Fred
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello and many thanks to take care about my questions.
So this kind of CG200 with CB250 piston is made (one of ?) by Yinxiangmotor.
the 65.5 related page is well for complete set Cb250 with the right piston but the OHC cylinder.
Most of chinese writen pages are not readable for me.
I see figures looking like prices. Are they Yuan prices ? I have to look for change rates.
Did you think about shiping parts to europe ? The company I work in also works in China and have specialist for exchanges.
Have a very good day.
Fred
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:clap: Google Chorme or http://www.bing.com/translator/
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Links in #9 are located in Guangzhou bike "mart" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Xnqfva1w4 "Wholesale export" is NOT new to them.
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As an "outsider" that don't knows the trick, better just buy via 'net.
Find agents (search "taobao" in this forum) or
pals living in China that send via the "forwarder" (No one wants the "official rate" & hassle ) -One of those forwarder : http://www.sfcservice.com/
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello all and specially Hello to Humanbeing,
Many thanks for all those info.
Up to now I was never in favour of automatic translation bu it seem to have been improved and I am totally naked in front of Chinese writing.
I would be crasy to go to any of those bike mart.
Do you think that through Taobao or pals using forwarder could be possible to ship like spare parts or so ?
The idea is in my mind to repair bikes here as it looks like buy and throw away now. Some parts or bikes have been actually not made to last but many are designed for real use.
I use my HaoJiang now since one year and I was 7000 km yesterday. No trouble. Probably useful to think about spark plug and new chain.
What remains tricky is to have an engine and not possible to find the true parts ? Bike was built 2009 is not paleontology !
Regards.
Fred
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Hello,
I looked on Taobao but when I type request in english it is not successful.
All I could see seems very intersting also accessories like ignition components etc.
I have to find a way.
Beside that I think Why my engine with 65.5 piston is named (marked) 167FMM while it should be F165 or F166. I see F166FMM is always CB type with OHC.
I lloked all 167FMM I could find from all manufacturer but no one looks like mine. Head and cylinder are clearly CG familly. Right cover for clutch is Honda style but inside is 6 springs clutch. Right side looks like Lifan F156 with oval cover for ignition nut access and general cover shape.
I will try to make seals and reassemble. I was very happy to finally disassemble lower levers axle in side of cylinder. Wsa clogged and did not slide freely.
Regards.
Fred
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Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello and Many thanks for all the time you spend about questions.
I try to discuss about the actual size of pistons available with sellers (if I could find like 65.7 or 66 and I can rebore myself) and beside hat I make seals (faster than waiting to get the right one).
I try to see if 200 barrel could fit (barrel height and drilling for attachment).
I think a good way would be to send you light pictures of my engine.
Very interssting subject is what you say about Taobao and change systems. I am completely with no skill about that.
I know to use ebay but that is a lot easier for me (even if no relation whit what I need now.
Have a very good day.
Fred
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Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Hello,
My Clutch cover looks like (exactly except no brand name) the Zongshen 3rd row left and the ignition cover looks exactly like last row right with the oval cover.
Would that help to find who was the manufacturer or is it possible to buy engine parts and make assembly in a garage ?
Anyway what could be important could be a source for barrel.
Barrel height from sealing to sealing is 82mm + 25mm sleeve at bottom (total is 107). sleeve diameter coming in casing is 69.3.
I think all I saw untill now is different. Sleeve length is not very important and I can check if piston uses the complete length.
The main seems to be barrel height even if I can machine some adapter part for small difference.
Have all a very good day.
Fred
Re: Spare parts and manufacturer 167 FMM Tornado
Looking again about your picture for standard 250CG barrel, It is different but could fit with simple adapter.
The only problem would be piston pin 16mm when my conrod is bored 15mm. I would have to rebore the rod (??).
Many thanks.
Fred
