anyone have information about the CBF300 for sale in china? HOnda is touting the fact, in china, the CBR300 winning races..I have hopes it will be available here...thanks:riding:
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anyone have information about the CBF300 for sale in china? HOnda is touting the fact, in china, the CBR300 winning races..I have hopes it will be available here...thanks:riding:
Not available here through official Ch!na Honda distributor.
The list of officially imported and distributed Honda Motorbikes at this time are:
CTX1300 (ABS) MSRP 235,000 + sales tax
ST1300 (ABS) MSRP 2180,000 + sales tax
VFR1200F (DCT/ABS) MSRP 238,000 + sales tax
CB1100 MSRP 155,800 (standard) + sales tax; 159,800 (ABS) + sales tax
CBF1000 (ABS) MSRP 206,000 + sales tax
NC750F (ABS) MSRP 99,800 + sales tax
CTX700N (ABS) MSRP 99,600 + sales tax
CBR500R MSRP 71,800 (standard) + sales tax; 76,800 (ABS) + sales tax
CB500F MSRP 68,800 (standard) + sales tax; 72,800 (ABS) + sales tax
The CBR300R seems to be available, or will be available soon, check out this link
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...cket=12#detail
Seems though, disappointingly enough, that the China spec bike is less powerful then for example the American version; 17,7kw for the Chinese version, 30,4BHP (22,66kw) for the American version.
word of caution... buyer beAware.
just because something is advertised on Taobao, don't make it real or legit... Photoshop, copying and taking links from other sources is very common practise on Taobao. Fabrication and lies follow on close behind.
Really? They do that kind of stuff in China? :rolleyes1:
Anyway, here a link from the Honda site; http://www.honda.com.cn/product/motor/cbr300r/
Now my Chinese isn't great, but it looks to me like the bike will be for sale in China in 2015...
From the ad it would seem as though Wuyang Honda are importing them. Seems like a reduced effect model. Buying from Taobao is a bad idea, except when it is lower value items up to $1000 US and a highly rated seller.
If you really wanted one...
- Find nearest Wuyang Honda dealer
- Be met with confusion by clueless saleslady who knows nothing about bikes
- Insist that there is an imported CBF300
- Wait till they deny confirm rumour with factory (you may be told no just because the boss would rather clear his current stock or its a bit 'mafan' or why anyone would ever do anything as insanely dangerous as making a bike over 125cc :lol8:)
- Negotiate price to same price on Taobao or less
- Offer deposit, few thousand will suffice, but make it clear that the bike needs to be registered and road legal before you pay the rest of the money. Lend them a Chinese ID card or passport for them to be able to register the bike (may take a week or 2 with Chinese ID, or a month or two with a passport)
If you can get one, it's not a bad idea. However I believe you can get an imported Kawasaki Ninja 250 or Z250 for less, and those are more powerful twin cylinder bikes.
Also you can get a 600cc Chinabike for that money. A lot more bike, but a much bigger gamble, as it is very unlikely that a Honda will give you any issues, but a Chinabike certainly will.
Yes, they will be available through Honda China in 2015, but it seems in limited numbers. So still no really interesting made in China long term offering from Honda... Will the day ever come when we can find a reasonably priced, Japanese brand, made in China, 600cc or so, touring or travel motorcycle here in China? As far as I know so far only Benelli (now owned by a Chinese company) and KTM offer made in China motorcycles in that power range. I have no idea about the reliability of the Chinese Benelli, and a KTM Duke 390 is not particularly suitable for long distance travel.
The webpage ink above reads:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunafish
new 2015 CBR300R offered for limited sales in Spring (but doesn't say where or what market). Congratulations to: 'Honda team', 3 Honda Race Team Champions (MotoGP: Rider, Constructor & Team).
Honda build a range of MC models in Thailand, as do Ducati, Kawasaki et al. Some of the Thai made models make their way into PRC via official distribution channels. PRC is a protected market (which I and others have written about here on MCM & elsewhere - if you care to search & read) and despite PRC being a signatory to WTO, there are still protectionist policies in place. Aside from which, one needs look no further than the conflicts of business ethics, morals, norms, business acumen and so much more to understand and appreciate why manufacturers choose other locations other than PRC to base manufacturing facilities. Not that it's all 'peaches and cream' in other jurisdictions though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunafish
PRC would be one of the last places I'd set up manufacturing anything I'd be concerned about IP issues.
That PRC company that bought Benelli is Qjiang, aka Qijiang, aka Qinjiang. Tunafish if you search on MCM or read some of the different threads and posts under different categories you'll find this information. It's all been written and discussed before one way or another...
A positive is that things are changing. Go back several years ago and the MC landscape was way different. One of the issues that hasn't changed though is the access to cities and ALL Expressways for MC's especially those legally plated >250cc.
Bikerdoc; Yes I know, and in fact I have read those threads, and many of your reviews as well, for quite some years, always enjoyed those... I'm just hoping that this situation will change some day, and there will be some new threads on some exciting new bikes... A review by someone who bought the Benelli BN600GT would be something I'd look forward too... Will someone help out us suffering from PMS?
I've spent years wondering why they can't just bolt together a CB500F or something in China. I've come to the conclusion that there are many reasons....If they were reasonably priced, say 45,000 RMB they'd sell like hot-cakes as Honda is a massive kudos brand with face conscious Chinese guys. But the negatives are...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunafish
- Designs will be ripped off by the competition
- Will upset the China 'mafia' and there is a danger if Honda are too successful it would prevent the China losers having market share and the plug may be pulled on entire market
- They'd end up grey exported if they were significantly cheaper in China
- Market size in China is small so better off in Thailand
- Engineers and managers will be happier living in Thailand than China :naughty:
- China red tape etc
So they'd probably have to set a high price even if they were made here, most likely it would be 50-55,000 RMB anyhow.
And here is the bike in Chiang Rai 7 days ago but its called the Honda
CB300F as per the pictures ! Looks a very nice bike and maybe one
to consider rather then the Duke 390
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What about the new 2015 Kawasaki. 650cc Versys at 83,000 RMB (legal) available in China spring 2015Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunafish
Made in Thailand which IMO would be better made and assembled bike then a new venture of Japanese bikes made in China !
Honda cannot do anything right but build good cars and motos. An d other things of course, because it is a japanese company. I worked for the oldest japenese co. Many years ago,,,they make decision so damn slowly,,remember. WWII it took them along time to make a decision thats why USA dropped second bomb
Their car designs are ugly and they are damn slow to change,,
They are clueless to what people wan t and they SEEMINGLY dont care
CBF300 would be far more practical than the 300R lay on the tank boy racer
ALSO if china is serious about the ASEAN agreement they should move away from the 200% duty for bringing foreign vehicles to china
It is not 200% on fully built up ASEAN imported motorcycles at all... it equates to approx 35-45%. FWIW Japan is not part of ASEAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikikillercat
As for Honda being slow and less than innovative... I would debate that thought process. Just take a look at some of the really unusual models Honda have prototyped then actually put into production... e.g. DN-01, CTX, Honda's prototyped African Twin (highly anticipated by some ADV riders), RCV-V4, the NC series which utilises half a Honda fit car engine, and puts it into a MC frame and running gear that then spans three different MC categories... X, S and D (Integra)...Quote:
Originally Posted by kikikillercat
Maybe you need to either read more MC oreintated mags/e-mags, or perhaps get out of 'dodge' for a while to gain a better understanding or appreciation of what the big four Japanese and other motorcycle manufacturers have been/are doing... AFAIK - to me, they aint been sitting in stuffy boardrooms not making decisions. Some might suggest/argue that Honda have been too innovative, building models that don't sell so well e.g. DN-01
Another example is Yamaha, who have taken all of the feedback on the XT1200Z for example and integrated the few real nit-picky areas that SOME Super Tenere owners complained about, and integrated these very items into the new model released this year e.g. fuel maps in gears 1-3, cruise control, electronic adjustable suspension, redesigned display, screen adjustment.
As for the comment about WWII... I won't go there other than to say I disagree with you.
Lastly, what you and I want, may not be representative of what the majority of the local MC buyer in PRC want. HD & BMW Motorrad seem to be doing quite nicely in terms of sales within PRC. It is a developing and maturing market, which cannot be fairly compared with a mature market. IMHO PRC is still better than many other more repressive markets... yet still has a long way to go.
kikikillercat is in my view partially right Honda engineering and R&D is massively above the design and marketing departments. Honda do seem to lose market share because they seem a little unimaginative at times, have poor marketing and often make bikes that don't sell. They make 'logical' bikes like some semi-recumbent super scoot which is bought by three university professors or something, when bikers want passion and soul from their machines. Also recent advertising campaign offered me the 'chance to win an ipad'. Soul-less boring choice. Our family already have a few, plus smart phones I'd rather win some other pad than an ipad. Or forget that how about something really exciting, like the chance to meet a pro rider or have a track day or win custom Honda leathers? They are so popular a brand in many places they could make money by having a brand of clothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
It seems, they think they are doing everything right, but they are just running on three cylinders, conservative and slow and steady. But there are many, many corporations just like this. Shimano and Maxxis are two others.
But Honda do need praise they make great very reliable bikes, and they have spent billions investing in hydrogen fuel cell tech for cars.
Prince..thanks for the photos... other comments...yes it would be nice to buy a 'dreamwing' etc...but its too damn easy to pick up a moto and put into a van, and any power tool can cut through any lock or chain....
not being able to insure the moto and how to sell after without a huge hit on the resale price,,,best not to buy unless you plan to drive the wheels off....which almost no one does that this price point 70k plus! :riding:
Bulletproof Twin-Cylinder Engine
Displacing 471cc’s, liquid cooled and featuring parallel cylinders with dual overhead cams, the CB500X powerplant is very efficient, especially with its performance-maximizing electronic Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI). Naturally, it shares Honda’s reassuring reputation for reliability.http://powersports.honda.com/documen...ngPosition.jpg this one would be tempting the CB500X
http://powersports.honda.com/Assets/...015_NC700X.jpg$7,800 in the usa NC700X would even better here China! :gun_bandana: if only...........
Just saw many Cbr300R and F models in BKK then went to dealer for prices. 130000 baht for F
135000 R 137000 R with Respol paint scheme. Just under 4000Usd.... Reasonable...but selling here it appears that the price will be close to 40000 Rmb. Considerably more.. Thank you taxes.