Nanjing - Buying 250-400cc Inline 4 Motorcycle

I'm looking for a relatively cheap inline 4 engine to ride in Nanjing. I'm not worrying about plates, so an old 2nd or 5th hand motorcycle that still has a strong motor and clutch would be perfect. I'm thinking of like a CBR250RR, Hornet 250, ZX2R, CB400, or XJR400! Other suggestions for bike types or even locations of 2nd hand sport bike shop locatins in Nanjing are highly welcome :D I only know of 3 locations right now. The cheapest I found were 2 CBR250RRs for 9000 and 12000 yuan that weren't in the best of condition (one didn't have a working front or rear brake...though the owner said he would fix that first). I'm looking for something around that price, but in a bit more reliable of condition. Thanks, and I look forward to your replies! ^_^

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Originally Posted by Bulbazoth

I'm looking for a relatively cheap inline 4 engine to ride in Nanjing. I'm not worrying about plates, so an old 2nd or 5th hand motorcycle that still has a strong motor and clutch would be perfect. I'm thinking of like a CBR250RR, Hornet 250, ZX2R, CB400, or XJR400! Other suggestions for bike types or even locations of 2nd hand sport bike shop locatins in Nanjing are highly welcome :D I only know of 3 locations right now. The cheapest I found were 2 CBR250RRs for 9000 and 12000 yuan that weren't in the best of condition (one didn't have a working front or rear brake...though the owner said he would fix that first). I'm looking for something around that price, but in a bit more reliable of condition. Thanks, and I look forward to your replies! ^_^

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Only for off-road use ???

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Originally Posted by prince666

Only for off-road use ???

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Those sound like off-road bikes?

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Originally Posted by Bulbazoth

Those sound like off-road bikes?

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No? but also don't sound like legal plated bikes to ride on the roads,
i get it for the track then ????

Yezzir!

It's a terrible plan.:eekers:

Firstly there are sod all parts for the things, the amount of old Jap bikes sitting around rotting without any parts is huge, they were probably stolen from HK 15 years ago or more and are absolutely on their last legs and horrible. Even in the west bikes of this age are retired, let alone if they've had 10 idiot owners who buy the thing to gain face and will absolutely cheap out on things like oil changes. For example the tires will probably be some cheapo brand and the wrong size or old and hideously squared off. Other potential problems are vast.

Secondly if you hit any cycle, ebike, pedestrian or car you'll be turned in to a human ATM.

Thirdly if you don't have a safe place to keep it, it will get nicked by gangsters or seized by the police really easily.

Why not just get a 2nd hand Suzuki GW250 for 15-20K and have legal fun? :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

It's a terrible plan.:eekers:

Firstly there are sod all parts for the things, the amount of old Jap bikes sitting around rotting without any parts is huge, they were probably stolen from HK 15 years ago or more and are absolutely on their last legs and horrible. Even in the west bikes of this age are retired, let alone if they've had 10 idiot owners who buy the thing to gain face and will absolutely cheap out on things like oil changes. For example the tires will probably be some cheapo brand and the wrong size or old and hideously squared off. Other potential problems are vast.

Secondly if you hit any cycle, ebike, pedestrian or car you'll be turned in to a human ATM.

Thirdly if you don't have a safe place to keep it, it will get nicked by gangsters or seized by the police really easily.

Why not just get a 2nd hand Suzuki GW250 for 15-20K and have legal fun? :thumbsup:

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+1
It would not surprise me if he don't even have a C1E

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

It's a terrible plan.:eekers:

Firstly there are sod all parts for the things, the amount of old Jap bikes sitting around rotting without any parts is huge, they were probably stolen from HK 15 years ago or more and are absolutely on their last legs and horrible. Even in the west bikes of this age are retired, let alone if they've had 10 idiot owners who buy the thing to gain face and will absolutely cheap out on things like oil changes. For example the tires will probably be some cheapo brand and the wrong size or old and hideously squared off. Other potential problems are vast.

Secondly if you hit any cycle, ebike, pedestrian or car you'll be turned in to a human ATM.

Thirdly if you don't have a safe place to keep it, it will get nicked by gangsters or seized by the police really easily.

Why not just get a 2nd hand Suzuki GW250 for 15-20K and have legal fun? :thumbsup:

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firstly, yes i agree all these biks are bullshit and not worth my money. neither is the license because i would feel disgusted with myself for giving in to this disgusting abuse of power. they even spray the roads with water to make it slippery as fuck, is this special bonus the justification for the ridiculous price tag? secondy, this is already true right now...i dont know whats to be scared of unless you dont pay attention or something... thirdly, why the hell would i buy a bike without a place to kep it? right now my bike parks in my garage. fourthly, 15-20k legal fun? i believe you forgot about the license plate. that 15-20k legal fun just turned into 40k+ legal fun. you know how great of an ebike i could build for 40+? iv recently become convinced buying a motorcycle in china is a stupid idea, and i might as well just build the epic electric motorcycle i had originally planned on. maybe buy a cheapo illegal scooter if i still dont have enough range to go somewhere. 1000 kuai? let the police take it...

however i heard even using second hand motorcycle frames for an electrc bike can get that shit consficated--is there no end to this madness? so maybe ill custom build the frame and everything from the ground up, or just use an existing cheap frame like this one: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...6-ce24419da0b3

Get a 2nd hand Suzuki from somewhere that the plate doesn't cost 20K! Most places it's more like 500 yuan and another 200 a year for the insurance, even less for a 250cc bike. I'm sure there are other places in Jiangsu where the plates are that cheap. Sure, you could get fined or get points, but the bike won't be registered in your name, with your address, most of the cameras fire forward the fines are quite small and you don't have a license to add points to anyhow.

A powerful ebike doesn't help you out any as your aren't much better off. Any accident and they just say lookie illegally powerful ebike, you pay that way. They are always looking for a 'you pay' excuse or 'you get less' excuse, don't give them one. Plus those ebikes are 2kw vs 20kw for the Suzuki.

A legal motorcycle has VIN plates, registration plates and insurance. Those are really important and useful features.

actually, im looking at using a 24kw peak motor. i already have a 2-3kw ebike. ill talk to my friend about the out of town plates again, but i remember him telling me it wouldnt be able to work long-term :/ im really not worried about hitting anyone... i ride safely around pedestrians because i know those idiots would love to milk me of all my money for the next 5 years

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Originally Posted by Bulbazoth

actually, im looking at using a 24kw peak motor. i already have a 2-3kw ebike. ill talk to my friend about the out of town plates again, but i remember him telling me it wouldnt be able to work long-term :/ im really not worried about hitting anyone... i ride safely around pedestrians because i know those idiots would love to milk me of all my money for the next 5 years

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Sounds like your a newbie and can I add nob to riding in China
Yes I'm illegal yet I've fought for 1.5 years to be legal and want to be legal as you can easily end up like a teacher here spending 6 month salary on paying a bitch who turned into him and claiming way buying reasonable and demanding surgery that's not needed and lied to and she will demand to stay in hospital even tho the doctors tell her to go home and she will ask for money to remove still pins that shouldn't be removed or fitted as the fracture was minor.
Sorry having a very bad China week and no sleep due to excessive amounts of Chinese bullshit

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Originally Posted by Bulbazoth

actually, im looking at using a 24kw peak motor. i already have a 2-3kw ebike. ill talk to my friend about the out of town plates again, but i remember him telling me it wouldnt be able to work long-term :/ im really not worried about hitting anyone... i ride safely around pedestrians because i know those idiots would love to milk me of all my money for the next 5 years

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Probably you won't hit anyone, but it doesn't really work like that, nobody is immune from the stupidity of others, sure higher skilled riders can extend the mileage between incidents, but incidents can still happen.

I know it's a PITA to be legal in China, and it's ridiculous, but you'll be a lot safer.

Your friend is right about the plates not really working long term, however you can re-insure the bike if you are smart about who and where you buy it from.

Leaving aside all the legalities ( although perhaps one day you will learn )
Those 250 and 400 fours are horrible things. No torque and what power they have is all at the top of the revs, and, as has already been pointed out, the ones you find in China are real old dogs. Parts also a problem.

Btw they water the roads to keep the dust down. Its not some evil government plot.

I will be riding with a GoPro on as soon as I get my bike back from the shop, so lying will not be an option for Chinese bitches. And, I try to stay in the road as much as possible. You can claim being legal is the best thing to do as much as you want, but its near impossible. Even if you have a shitty 500/1000/1200w electric scooter, its still illegal because it goes over 20 kph and doesnt have pedals. Then there is the grey line of bicycles...bicycle speed limit is 20 kph, but I can easily go like 40 kph. Just yesterday I passed every single electric scooter on the bicycle my friend lent me on a 20km ride.

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Originally Posted by zhu

Leaving aside all the legalities ( although perhaps one day you will learn )
Those 250 and 400 fours are horrible things. No torque and what power they have is all at the top of the revs, and, as has already been pointed out, the ones you find in China are real old dogs. Parts also a problem.

Btw they water the roads to keep the dust down. Its not some evil government plot.

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Keep the dust down?? Man, I live in Nanjing. It rains a few times a week. When it's not raining, its humid and not dusty. I'm not buying it.

It's not dusty because
They
water
the
roads
Just like they do in every city in China.

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Originally Posted by zhu

It's not dusty because
They
water
the
roads
Just like they do in every city in China.

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It's not dusty because
it
rains
all
the
time
here.

ok mate you go ask the guy driving the water truck why he is doing it.

The ones in Chengdu usually play an ice-cream truck type song too. My favourite are those riot-grade water cannons they use to water trees and plants to within an inch of their lives. I'd do that job.

Could it be they water the roads as a national policy to reduce dust but haven't actually got the intellect or imagination to not bother with it in rainy places?

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Originally Posted by zhu

Leaving aside all the legalities ( although perhaps one day you will learn )
Those 250 and 400 fours are horrible things. No torque and what power they have is all at the top of the revs, and, as has already been pointed out, the ones you find in China are real old dogs. Parts also a problem.

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I don't actually agree with that, those 250cc and 400cc fours were great bikes in their day. It's just that their day has past, unless you want to pay loads of money to resto-mod a mint condition one as a future classic there's no point in touching one., especially in China where you'll never get legal on one.

There some mint Honda CB400 super 4 for sale like this one at 10.000 RMB for none road use only ??? or for people who dont care a shit if plated or not

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Originally Posted by Bulbazoth

I will be riding with a GoPro on as soon as I get my bike back from the shop, so lying will not be an option for Chinese bitches.

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Many people are trying to give you a fair share of advice to help you along, this is what the forum is designed for. Culture is culture, people are people and opinions are opinions. From your quote you seem as if you don't really like Chinese people and the laws of the country.

You type as if your opinions are already set in stone, so why come to a forum and ask for advice and then just complain about a country you live in and only ever consider breaking the law? You seem like a young gentlemen who is looking for advice and a lot of these people on this forum have lived here a long time. So maybe you should listen to their advice. As a young guy myself who also studies here I have my own complications of registering and obtaining a motorcycle license so I can kind of slightly understand your frustration.

By the sounds of it, the country already annoys you enough so maybe you should stick with the 电动车 modifying because you'll most likely leave the country soon.

Also, in my humble opinion a 电动车 Would be better for you to prat around Nanjing on :icon10:. Yeah the Police won't stop you hopping a red light on it because they can't be arssed to chase you. They are told to sit on the corner and give fines to those who break the law and confiscate bikes that aren't registered. Not chase a bobble headed foreigner student who wants to lane hop and go through red lights :riding:

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Take it easy,
Josh

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Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise

Many people are trying to give you a fair share of advice to help you along, this is what the forum is designed for. Culture is culture, people are people and opinions are opinions. From your quote you seem as if you don't really like Chinese people and the laws of the country.

You type as if your opinions are already set in stone, so why come to a forum and ask for advice and then just complain about a country you live in and only ever consider breaking the law? You seem like a young gentlemen who is looking for advice and a lot of these people on this forum have lived here a long time. So maybe you should listen to their advice. As a young guy myself who also studies here I have my own complications of registering and obtaining a motorcycle license so I can kind of slightly understand your frustration.

By the sounds of it, the country already annoys you enough so maybe you should stick with the 电动车 modifying because you'll most likely leave the country soon.

Also, in my humble opinion a 电动车 Would be better for you to prat around Nanjing on :icon10:. Yeah the Police won't stop you hopping a red light on it because they can't be arssed to chase you. They are told to sit on the corner and give fines to those who break the law and confiscate bikes that aren't registered. Not chase a bobble headed foreigner student who wants to lane hop and go through red lights :riding:

负面情绪不好

Take it easy,
Josh

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+1 Someone had to say something???? I am trying to keep out of it can't be fucked with guys who have this cavalier attitude but we must all consider what other "laowai" do in China reflects on us all?

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Originally Posted by prince666

we must all consider what other "laowai" do in China reflects on us all?

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Says the guy riding a dodgy bike with swapped illegal engine...

Ride safe! Pal

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Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise

Many people are trying to give you a fair share of advice to help you along, this is what the forum is designed for. Culture is culture, people are people and opinions are opinions. From your quote you seem as if you don't really like Chinese people and the laws of the country.

You type as if your opinions are already set in stone, so why come to a forum and ask for advice and then just complain about a country you live in and only ever consider breaking the law? You seem like a young gentlemen who is looking for advice and a lot of these people on this forum have lived here a long time. So maybe you should listen to their advice. As a young guy myself who also studies here I have my own complications of registering and obtaining a motorcycle license so I can kind of slightly understand your frustration.

By the sounds of it, the country already annoys you enough so maybe you should stick with the 电动车 modifying because you'll most likely leave the country soon.

Also, in my humble opinion a 电动车 Would be better for you to prat around Nanjing on :icon10:. Yeah the Police won't stop you hopping a red light on it because they can't be arssed to chase you. They are told to sit on the corner and give fines to those who break the law and confiscate bikes that aren't registered. Not chase a bobble headed foreigner student who wants to lane hop and go through red lights :riding:

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Take it easy,
Josh

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This is spot on. Probably just better he keeps or upgrades his ebike, then claim ignorance that the motor was too powerful something along the lines of 'didn't know, bought it off another foreigner that has left the country'. If anyone gets hurt he'll still have to pay out thousands most likely, but it's much better than riding around on an uplated 20 year old knackered out CBR250RR.

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Originally Posted by Prince666

I am trying to keep out of it can't be fucked with guys who have this cavalier attitude but we must all consider what other "laowai" do in China reflects on us all?

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Lots of people have this view and I'm not trying to bash it, but we are all responsible for our own actions, foreigners in China will do the wrong thing, it's not up to foreigners to police other foreigners. One of my friends in my town is annoyed with another friend because he divorced his Chinese wife, and that 'reflects badly on the rest of us'. I just don't get it, it's someone else's life, if the locals are too thick to realize who did something bad and blame them individually, it's not his fault.

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Originally Posted by Pal

Says the guy riding a dodgy bike with swapped illegal engine...

Ride safe! Pal

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hehheh just checking Pal you are still reading my post on MCM, some good news sold the bike that should keep you happy, sold it to a dodgy Chinese traffic policeman

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but we are all responsible for our own actions, foreigners in China will do the wrong thing, it's not up to foreigners to police other foreigners.

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Yes you are correct, but it's not all about other laowia being police men it's all about other laowia giving good sound advice to which other Laowia should listen to but in this case it falling on daff ears ?

We have been hearing about people who are finding it extremely difficult to obtain a new Chinese DL in some areas ,
all it will take is one bad accident by a illegal uninsured, with no Chinese DL and a GoPro stuck on his head, to which the police will confiscated and post the video that shows the rider killing a few people that hits the Chinese social network then you will see the shit hit the fan , i wouldn't put it pass the Chinese Government to band all laowia from renewing DL ? just my 2 cents

in nearly 5 years riding / Driving I can confirm its not if you have a accident but when , and it will happen just give it time

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Originally Posted by prince666

We have been hearing about people who are finding it extremely difficult to obtain a new Chinese DL in some areas ,
all it will take is one bad accident by a illegal uninsured, with no Chinese DL and a GoPro stuck on his head, to which the police will confiscated and post the video that shows the rider killing a few people that hits the Chinese social network then you will see the shit hit the fan , i wouldn't put it pass the Chinese Government to band all laowia from renewing DL ? j

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This happening most likely inevitable. For example if someone Greek has a fatal accident in Britain would the British govt ban all Greeks from driving in the UK? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. But that's not what might happen in China. So do you blame a stupid Laowei for ruining it for everyone else or blame the bigoted unreasonable attitude of Chinese ppl and govt?

I upset a teacher or two here as they ride thru red lights unlicensed and no regard for manners or logic - I said monkey see monkey do American monkey
I try teach manners and correct behavior try to do legal in China yet it always stops me
But I keep trying and trying