HERALD 450 SCRAMBLER -ROTTWEILER

2 new prototypes from the britisch firm with clearly chinese influenceAttachment 17946
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http://www.heraldmotorcompany.com/

Whoa!

Who would thought that you can make something else than purebred enduro on that frame.

I doubt that these will make it to the market, I just do not think that people will spend that much for them. They would need to be for about 1500 pounds less.

4,750.00 GBP

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7,092.10 USD

All of Heralds offerings are sourced out of Shandong Province, for example Herald offers a Qingqi 250 scrambler at a 1750 premium over bascically the same Sinnis version. Its obvious that manufactures and their agents are cooperating in that region, Asiawing and Qingqi/Pioneer.

These specifically are based on Asia Wing 450 dirt bikes. Not a bad idea, except the pricing is just too high, they would need a larger distribution and in that more significant production. In other word get the costs down or they will not get much traction in the market.

3,250.00 GBP

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4,849.31 USD

"too exspensive nobody will buy them"?

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Originally Posted by stradale

2 new prototypes from the britisch firm with clearly chinese influencehttp://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/at...id=17946&stc=1


http://www.heraldmotorcompany.com/

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This would be influence on a Chinese manufacturer. That being whomever is behind Herald is influencing Asiawing as the OEM. At the end of Taiqain Street in Tainan city, Shangdong Province, is the location of the OEM ‘Asiawing’. That is about 50 miles South of Jinan, the Provincial Capital.

Asiawing products are sold in the USA under SSR and CCW. As so are the Jinan Qingqi Products, the Herald 250cc Mutt is out of Qingqi.
http://www.right-gear.co.uk/uploads/...3_i1_w640.jpeg
As is the SSR 250 "all black no decals=cool"
http://werks.smugmug.com/Motorcycles...0_144013-M.jpg
as is the CCW Ace "Yuck" 229cc OHV Lifan engined version.
http://cimg.carsforsale.com/401636/5...t=052320151755

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Whoa!

Who would thought that you can make something else than purebred enduro on that frame.

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and with that engine...that engine is not really intended for street use.


Every six races or 15 hours of operation

That frame takes a Zongshen NC250, the NC450 might be a better and more cost effective engine for these.

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Originally Posted by MJH

and with that engine...that engine is not really intended for street use.

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Sure it isn't in his stock configuration, but with some pretty basic alterations ("calmer" valvetrain, decreased compression ratio, etc.) you can get "bland", but more usable engine.

That’s true, Honda now offers the engine with a three mode switch, standard, smooth and aggressive. For the R versions, the X version have carburators.
http://www.honda.co.jp/CRF/crf450r/p...e-mode-off.jpg

Honda Unicam® Engines

This dealer site of Asiawing in France states that Asiawing makes the 450 engine under a license?
Asiawing utilise des moteurs sous license d’un gros constructeur pour ces 450cc, that may be true?
The Unicam was a new engine in 2002, Honda has a line of them from 150cc to 450cc.
If Honda sold a license to Asiawing which they may have it likely has limits as in them not being allowed to call it a Honda or to advertise the agreement, which would be the same?
http://www.enduro-78.fr/content/asiawing

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Originally Posted by MJH

That’s true, Honda now offers the engine with a three mode switch, standard, smooth and aggressive. For the R versions, the X version have carburators.

Honda Unicam® Engines

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I have in mind some hardware alterations, different than current (but fixed) timing of camshaft phasing. In terms of different modes, some derivation of "Honda's" car division VTEC system would be nice thing to have on a bike.

Honda already have Vtec on bikes CB400F and VFR800 come to mind

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Sure it isn't in his stock configuration, but with some pretty basic alterations ("calmer" valvetrain, decreased compression ratio, etc.) you can get "bland", but more usable engine.

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I am sure it is not to the same specs as the actual Honda.

Attachment 18099

Shineray has something like it

Shineray has allot of water cooled single engines they acquired with the purchase of the old Husquvarna, non of them are a copy of a Honda Unicam 450cc, Asiawing is the only factory offering that engine.

I really like the look of the Herald Scrambler, I just doubt they would sell many of them at the price they are floating. I also personally do not think I would want that engine, it’s been described in the original Honda form as a punchy engine.

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Can you imagine how costly it would be to get these to the market?
New regulation in the EU require it to have ABS and EFI, these are only prototypes they have to go through the process to get them up for sale and that is allot for a small company. Comments on the impression of the bike on face book.