Huanghe 黄河自由

Huanghe's main products are three wheeled utilty vehicles.

They are currently marketing a model they call their 250X.

The 250X is being referred to as either a sleeper or subversive. That’s because it is selling for 5k RMB less then comparative models. It could very well be either or both, there has been improvements in the supply chain for the industry, in that it would not take much to assemble a better offering out of the existing supply chain.

They are selling allot of the X250 off the AD Banners being run on http://www.newmotor.com.cn/


http://img2.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFi...3947314731.jpg
http://img2.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFi...4666936693.jpg

New Motor tracks sales, they count sales through their affiliates, the XHH250GY-2 is one of the top ten sellers currently.

I like the black/gray color combination.
But for 10k RMB we should be clear that some mods will be indispensable.
However, I like the italian "VariousStreet" Design and might be crazy enough to chose it as my next CIP :naughty: (as long as i get it road legal)

They have the specs wrong on the engine, its 65.5x67 and 226cc at least that is what Loncin the manufacuturer states.
https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1...1992052711.jpg
It is the same engine they are offering in the GP250 also a six speed with EFI.

There are these companies like Dayan that have some resources, for instance they have divisions that make large trucks, Haunghe motorcycle may be similar in that is may be a division of a larger company, there is a very large truck manufacturer with the same name.
The bike s being offered in a manner that seems very strategic, intelligently, for that it deserves a second look. It would not be impossible for it to be a very decent model. If they sell allot of them and they are decent it opens a new market segment for them. Loncin sells their CR5 that has a carburetor and is 200cc for slightly more than this model and they offer a GP250 for much more and this bike has the same engine as the GP which also has EFI.
My thought is that Haunghe was able to secure the same engine as the GP250 Loncin and that may be at a decent price, probably due them being a big purchaser of engines from them. Haunge may be a very large manufacturer of three wheeled vehicles?
It may be more of a spoiler?

The last count for the sales of the 250X was 31 on February 19, five days later and the count is now at 108.

http://img2.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFi...5923222322.jpg

You cannot get one of these in China, the Huanghe you can get though and that is because it has EFI. The Teken is for export only and that’s a shame, because it would likely sell well if it was offered the same way the Huanghe is being offered.
The absolute best way to market is to offer up your details and then offer a point of purchase it can be a hotlink to purchase, that link can be an AD banners or a designated website. In this instance they are really smart because you can see the counts, as they sell the tally is displayed.

The problem with too many images and no points of purchase is its all a song and dance, it’s beyond the consumers arm’s length, it leads to a dead end as the actual point of purchase is missing.

You have to admit it’s pretty interesting, the X250 by “word of mouth” is getting a rating of 8.4 out of a possible 10. It’s the price that is getting that score, the observations are not from actual purchasers.

It is now the 27^th and unit’s sales are at 134

Typical price of this type of motorcycle is around 13,000RMB which is about 2K USD, which is the retail price in China. The 10,000 RMB is a typical wholesale price @ about 1.5K USD or less.

The average retail price of the Fuego Teken 250 in South America is 2K USD. The Loncin CR5 sells for less than that in many markets.

http://www.italika.mx/WebVisorArchiv...360/250Z/9.png

30,999.00 MXN

=

1,696.63 USD

CR5, yes.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

It is strange logic in "Tekken's" pricing.

total sales 142

Huanghe is advertising its version of the Yamaha Tricker @ under 7k RMB seems crazy but that is about $1,000.00 USD!

https://gd4.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/...pg_600x600.jpg

Here is a video link....worth watching.

on Taobao

same engine as in the 250X; 6 speed, stainless steel exhaust...oil cooler.

Image of the real deal
http://www2.yamaha-motor.fr/salon/mo...icker-01-2.jpg

sales of the 250X seemed to have dropped off or stopped at 304?

look how badly cast the this front piece is
https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/2...2197842551.jpg

https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/1...1666880128.jpg

Yea, video is been worth watching - up until now, no one has used "Divino Messiah" for marketing purposes. :mwink:

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Originally Posted by MJH

look how badly cast the this front piece is

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This is not bad casting. This is "Zimmerit" coating. I mean, you never can know when some shahid is gonna jump ahead of you and stick magnetic mine on your bike. Right? :lol8:

The song is very melodic, but its in Dog Latin.
Go to; thou hast it ad dungill, at the fingers' ends, as they say

At the moment, I thought: "What is wrong with this "Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"!?". :lol8:

Yes, I admit - I'm ignorant redneck. Orff and Era are the same thing to me and the two years of Latin classes are just waste of time. :goodtime:

It crossed my mind second ago...

SEMPER UBI SUB UBI

:lol8:

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Originally Posted by Zorge

At the moment, I thought: "What is wrong with this "Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"!?". :lol8:

Yes, I admit - I'm ignorant redneck. Orff and Era are the same thing to me and the two years of Latin classes are just waste of time. :goodtime:

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Is it an intentional parody?

What is parody? The fact that I had Latin classes whole two years during high school and the little of it left in my head?

No, this is not parody - this is tragedy of my young years. :lol8:

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Originally Posted by Zorge

What is parody? The fact that I had Latin classes whole two years during high school and the little of it left in my head?

No, this is not parody - this is tragedy of my young years. :lol8:

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Not a parody on you, of the music, it’s not that Divino Messiah is humorous other then it is not translatable, since it’s in bad Latin. Is it the same music behind both? If the Pope hears Divino Messiah does the pope smile or twitch?

Both, as forementioned Orff and Era?

Era is Era - those Frenchies we know, and Orff is Carl Orff, gentleman who composed music for cantata "Carmina Burana", which is almost all on Latin. Proper one.

The X250 was a Crowd funding initiative, they took orders for about 300 and these purchasers are all waiting. Waiting on manufacturing certificates and such, the enthusiasm is waning.

http://img2.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFi...7540445445.jpg

Not sure why orders fell from 304 to 226, reading along it may be that 78 backed out. Preorders required a 1000 deposit and the long wait time caused some to cancel and those requested a refund.
If you read along on the forums the factory explains away some of the apprehension, the deliveries should begin on the 20^th of April. I believe that is what I read, the translations are not that clear.
Crowd funding is a way for a factory to raise the capital through deposits, they raised initially 300,000 RMB and refunded 78,000 on canceled orders. They as it seems require the entire amount for delivery in total

2,255,480.00 CNY

=

348,197.75 USD

Which is a significant amount of capital…
Each order for

9,980.00 CNY

=

1,540.65 USD

Today there are 226 orders outstanding.
Crowd funding is a relatively new practice, the internet makes it much easier to get the needed exposure and subsequent orders. The prices offered are pretty close to factory wholesale prices, but for single orders.
Retail prices of that type of vehicle would be typically more at

14,000.00 CNY

=

2,160.99 USD

To be really successful at crowd funding a factory would need to offer up some support, offering up parts on a designated taobao page or better yet a designated website. It should offer up schematics and in that indexed parts, all parts and sold direct out of the factory that makes the bikes.

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300 placed an order, 145 canceled their orders, got refunded and 155 got their motorcycles.

The factory opened sales, calling it round two.
http://mall.newmotor.com.cn/motor/7091.html

I was critical of the steering column on their copy of a tricker...they are now selling them with a higher quality column included for free? http://sea.taobao.com/item/en/508197...968.0.0.wSPOO0

6,080.00 CNY

=

913.791 USD

A brief write up from a person that bought one of these,
http://bbs.newmotor.com.cn/display.s...age=1&id=54361

http://www.cn-truck.com/canshu/276202.html

here is a crazy detailed comparison of the Yellow River to the Jialing.
http://bbs.newmotor.com.cn/display.shtml?id=55349

another review, this person got a black one.
http://bbs.newmotor.com.cn/display.shtml?id=54132

Good side bags on these, at least they look good,
Aerodynamic and added lights. http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...anghe/bags.jpg

Seems they raised the price on the 250X to just under 12k Yuan, up from the initial price of under 10k. Huange is testing a 300cc version, with the Loncin 300cc water cooled DOHC single. This article claims it will retail at the same price as the 250?

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...e/3Z7A1663.jpg
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Three enduro models are in this image, from the left is the KLX300 (Loncin copied its engine) in the middle is the Honda XR250 it has a RFVC 250 (not copied by any manufacturer) then the last is the DRZ250 Suzuki (its engine copied by Haojiang)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...4a771bdc5f.jpg