Shineray X1 - mixed CG engine to bike?!

Ok I'm a bit confused but here goes
Bike is a Shineray X1 with rounded CDI one bolt coil original regulator. Was original CG150cc

Engine - now here's the strange bit, I think 125cc CG but runs like shit

So if the stator is from the square CDI system this could be an issue? Timing and or other mixing of AC or DC system?
This I don't know if both systems are the same as far as the stators goes.
What's what square and round CDI plugs?
Is each stator and pick up and flywheels the same? Or are they different?

I need to be sure I have the correct stator flywheel and pick up sensor to suit the bike before I can look at other things.

Also now I upgraded to a PZ27 carb and new upgraded air box too.

I got the bike free with issues
I got it running etc and working thru what I know was wrong.
So are there variations to stators pick up and flywheel affecting timing and or ignition? If yes what type do I need for the X1? If no then I can eliminate this as an issue.

I think it's a 125 so my carb is too big and will run like crap, best change the barrel to 200cc tune carb and ignition should all match?

Your knowledge greatly appreciated

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Are the stators all the same? Regardless of what ignition system it uses?

Do both the square and rounded CDI systems use the same stator and pick up? Or is there a difference ?

Heh, those fast moving electrons are not my cup of tea... Not at all...

You know, there is cute video which explains what are the differences between AC and DC ignition systems - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBDNkdc45g.

As you can see, there are differences in CDI units, and from where they get juice.

Stator can be different, in sense, on one type on ignition, he must to pump juice for both ignition system and all the rest electrical systems (some coils do one job, other - another), and on the other, all the juice goes to the battery via rectifier. But all they make AC current, to be clear about that.

All the rest parts (pick-ups, rotors, rectifiers...) are probably the same.

If you are not sure which sort of CDI you have, you can "follow the yellow brick road" and see where those wires on the CDI leads.

Or do simple test - if your engine can run without battery, than you have AC system.

And those round and square CDI systems you mentioned - I don't know what is that.

The fact that you do not know the engine makes it’s allot harder. It may be the problem as the CDI for each engine is obviously not the same. They may have dropped a new engine in and without any regard and it may never have ran.
If you had an engine code that might help…but not always.
Unless the drop in is identical, all the rest should have been replaced.
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Current engine and the rest is shineray X1

Is there any difference in stator flywheel pick up that relates to CDI? That's the main question now
As for engine cc and carb I'll tackle that later

I've had 2 bike 2 different plug type CDI both motors run without a battery
Both where CG based
I'm still no closer to confirm stator pick up to ignition combination at all

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CG = 20mm http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=217223 & ~ 20deg http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...=217223&page=2
CB's deg is little bit different (curve & angle is close enough in daily use, so guys said they're interchangeable)

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【不知道点火器怎么配凸台 那是瞎改】Don't know igniter & "boss" length relation = reckless
【不懂曲线的 那是蒙改】Don't know curve pattern = on LUCK
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CDI cames in plain old "fixed" & "adv" . Just buy the dc-cdi (adv. version) & forget those hassle...

OK, "Humabeing" explained some things.

If we talk about the thing which, using Hall effect, gives the signal when to "shoot" spark - IMO, those should be the same, regardless of CDI type.

But what is wrong with your bike? You suspect that some rascals do overnight something to your bike's electrical system?

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Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes

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Current engine and the rest is shineray X1

Is there any difference in stator flywheel pick up that relates to CDI? That's the main question now
As for engine cc and carb I'll tackle that later

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Its a Zongshen pushrod 150cc,

it uses these types of CDI

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Originally Posted by MJH

Its a Zongshen pushrod 150cc,

it uses these types of CDI

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"kick" only = ("dry" stator) as Honda CG125M (KYO/ KCS) ie. 花猫/ 幸福 (round) CDI is more suitable

The commonest "CG" (kick & electric) in mainland China is based on Taiwanese maker (square CDI / "wet" stator)

So is the stator and pick up the same ? I've not got any idea yet
Does the motor fitted to it have the same pick up and stator as to what the Shineray should have?
This is my question

The motor fitted - what cc is it?
Just yes or no answers please, to much info is confusing

Let me try put it simply
I'm not changing CDI I'm not making any changes to the Shineray original bike
My question all relates to the stator or pick up or flywheel on the motor fitted
Is that the same as what would have been in the Shineray motor? Yea or no? If no then what should I have in it? If yes it's the same I'll need to explore other issues.

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

Translate the following in http://www.microsofttranslator.com
CG = 20mm http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=217223 & ~ 20deg http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...=217223&page=2
CB's deg is little bit different (curve & angle is close enough in daily use, so guys said they're interchangeable)

http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...uthorid=397365
【不知道点火器怎么配凸台 那是瞎改】Don't know igniter & "boss" length relation = reckless
【不懂曲线的 那是蒙改】Don't know curve pattern = on LUCK
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"进角" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=520273100881 | "定角" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=520273320490

CDI cames in plain old "fixed" & "adv" . Just buy the dc-cdi (adv. version) & forget those hassle...

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Is my stator, Hall effect or flywheel different from what the original Shineray had? Or are these parts the same and or no effect assuming there condition is good?

The engine you have now is a Zongshen CG150 and it should use the common square six pin CDI. The Shineray XY150GY would have had that type CDI. If you tested everything else and working correctly you will need a CDI of this common type and it may need to be replaced.

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Originally Posted by MJH

The engine you have now is a Zongshen CG150 and it should use the common square six pin CDI. The Shineray XY150GY would have had that type CDI. If you tested everything else and working correctly you will need a CDI of this common type and it may need to be replaced.

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Ok so j need to replace the stator and hall sensor to go back to the correct style for the Shinetay then. The bike runs real bad and seems timing is out but I don't have a timing light to check it.
I've heard people interchange the CDIs square type to round type yet I thought they are different
I can't think why the hell sensor might be different in either but from your statement there must be something?!
I want to keep electrics the same as what the Shineray should have in order to keep the bike standard - seems simpler in the long run.
So it seems I need to replace stator and gall sensor to the Round type CDI which is what the Shineray had originally

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Originally Posted by MJH

The engine you have now is a Zongshen CG150 and it should use the common square six pin CDI. The Shineray XY150GY would have had that type CDI. If you tested everything else and working correctly you will need a CDI of this common type and it may need to be replaced.

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What you showed me is called the round style CDI
Seems everyone's info doesn't yet answer if I need to replace the stator and hall sensor to match what the Shineray had originally

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What a mess I found!
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Blue with white to green has 143.5 ohms resistance it's not kilo ohms setting
Pink to yellow is around 0.9 ohms
I looked online but a little unclear to how to test and correct values but did read 0.9ohms is ok on something
Can anyone confirm that these values are good or bad?
Also the black with red trace isn't connected and that from what I looked on a square plug loom is a CDI wire or is it a rev counter wire? The Shineray doesn't have a rev counter

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Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes

Is my stator, Hall effect or flywheel different from what the original Shineray had? Or are these parts the same and or no effect assuming there condition is good?

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No, Hall effect is different on Earth's southern hemisphere comparing to Hall effect on northern hemisphere, so maybe your bike is fitted with northern hemisphere pick-up. :lol8:

One more detail that crossed my mind... Pick-up must to be some 0,3-0,5 mm (check correct value in some manual) from this... lump on a rotor.

How about a clear answer to my questions rather the cryptic clues :(

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This if I'm not wrong is the square type CDI?



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And this is the round type CDI?
I think this is what my bike should be even if colour a if wire aren't the same but same connection points etc

Best test tomorrow to try figure out something for definite ! :(

This tells you were the wires go for a 6pin
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...m.jpg~original

...how to test and correct values but did read 0.9ohms is ok on something...[/QUOTE]
AC-CDI
http://sanxin.com.cn/images/p-2-3.gif
pink/yellow *** We don't care it (read the image above = to Reg/rec )***
Blue / white <-> green = pickup | seems OK but what's the voltage ?
What's the reading of AC-source[black/red] (ohm/ volt)?
Dc-cdi
http://www.sanxin.com.cn/exhibit/upl...1305739717.jpg

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

...how to test and correct values but did read 0.9ohms is ok on something...

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AC-CDI
http://sanxin.com.cn/images/p-2-3.gif
pink/yellow *** We don't care it (read the image above = to Reg/rec )***
Blue / white <-> green = pickup | seems OK but what's the voltage ?
What's the reading of AC-source[black/red] (ohm/ volt)?
Dc-cdi
http://www.sanxin.com.cn/exhibit/upl...1305739717.jpg[/QUOTE]

Hi
I can't make head or tails from the pictures - Black with red wasn't connected at all so can't test till it,
It's all a bit of a mess and I'm not clear yet what is what.
Only 4 wires from the stator where connected to the bike - NOT black with red tho
All wires are poorly connected and I really need to redo the complete connector with new terminals and get rid of the bad joins.

Black with red has no connections to any other wire
It flashes 160ohms if you touch it to the metal casing only for a moment

That would go to the Rectifier/regulator to the battery in a DC set up. It only goes to the CDI for AC. The pic I linked to is for an AC type.
If you only have one wire connected to the two prong on the CDI it is a DC type.

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Originally Posted by MJH

That would run to the battery in a DC set up. It only goes to the CDI for AC. The pic I linked to is for an AC type.
If you only have one wire connected to the two prong on the CDI it is a DC type.

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Ok I'll check that - then I can clearly see what is what
But the ohms readings seem good or bad?

No actually, that makes me think it is bad, you should check for continuity between phases and get nothing to ground.