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Just purchased a 2017 Tao Tao Powermax VIP 150cc 157QMJ. Enjoying the ride and getting her broke in. I will be looking for mod help later. Chime in and lets here about those rides.
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Man, you get around these groups!! :thumbsup: You won't get much information here due to the fact that most of the members are ex-pats from Europe living in China and would not be familiar with the Taotao, which is an export-only brand :lol8: That being said, the GY6 150cc engine should be near identical to most any other GY6, so I wouldn't count out the majority of the membership just yet...
Well I search all forums for info and knowledge. Could not hurt. I just changed the plug to the NGK and she runs a little better. With only 200 km on the motor she is still getting broke in. My thing is just getting the feel of her and how to handle her. I rode a 19 mile trip the other day and enjoyed that run. With my R.A. she made me sore for a day or two. lol But that is me and not the bike. I was looking into the 15-16-17/36 top gear for the speed needed and then tweak the variator to get the rpm and torque at the sweet spot. They just passed the moped law in South Carolina and some are going to be unhappy about that. I want to try and stay stock with the motor but do the variator/plug(iridium)/cdi /exhaust and cold air intake. just leave the motor alone until she needs rebuilt then go for the BBK 170cc.Quote:
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I am legit now and rolling legal. Tags registration 1yr permit and insurance. Now I have to get a belt. Chinese belt could not hang with my heavy fist lol Muffler on the way also. That crack has me changing it before anything breaks. Even in the rain today she ran like a VIP Champ lol Not a Future Champ. I am so enjoying this. I was still at the DMV when the drizzle started and told myself to ride it like you stole it.*
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Glad to read the update! :scooter:
OK changing belt and counted clutch 8.3 turns to 1 on tire. Any guess as to what gears my be behind the cover? Do not want to change them yet. Belt was fine also. Found 1 exhaust nut fell off driving home in the rain the other day smh. I will put the gates belt on and find a new exhaust nut to put on (Call my scooter repair cousin) so I can burn up the road.
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New Gates belt on and nut on exhaust. She is smooth as can be. New exhaust will be here Tuesday as well as GPS speedometer and mounting pod for it. Best loose change I have spent so far. 15/38 gears are next and let her ride. Tires will go from 120/70-12 to 110/90-12 to also give me the top speed needed. The power should fall in the range I need. If not variator weights rollers/ sliders can do the rest.
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I went on an 18 mile run today and she ran perfect. New Gates belt-NGK plug-oil/gear oil change-exhaust-GPS speedometer and a tank of gas. I held my own running 50-57 mph (GPS). On a flat stretch I held 50 mph at 8000 rpm so the gear change will put me to my sweet spot and may stay with factory style tire but Michelin brand. I noticed the clutch bell had a little wobble (Bad machine work) and may replace it with a better brand. Still only have 300 kl on the Chinese odometer.
Each time I go out I travel a little farther just to test myself and the scooter. My R.A. (Rheumatoid Arthritis) gets the best of me at times.
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Gears are in and much better. 60 mph (GPS) in a head wind. They had 12/40 gears in it; stock setup. Lower rpms for the runs so far all under 8000 rpm and just riding. No more 8000-9000 rpm runs lol.
I knew the gear change would do the trick. Now to finish breaking here in to see if I need to tweak the motor or if she can handle the runs and load. 3.33 final gear ratio stock to 2.31 ratio performance gears. She is not as buzzy sounding or feeling running 55 mph up hill and smooth as can get. i hope to get a camera set up to record some of the runs showing the GPS and Chinese speedometer with the tachometer in one shot. I have a cheap NABI camera but no mount yet.
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Just went back out running 62.8 mph GPS in the head wind tucked and grinning lol yes things work out when you plan around a setup that you want. She is not as snappy out of the hole anymore, just smooth, and lowered the rpm down so now I can calculate the rollers/sliders - tires- and cold air adjustment I want. I may put the baffle back in the exhaust to see if there is any difference with vrs without it.
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OK I hit a wall ... sort of. I have done a few runs and she has maxed the torque and speed at 50-53 mph (GPS) up hill around 7000-7200 rpm. Do I need more air / fuel / or both? Lets say stock is 24mm and I am looking into the polished intake with a 26mm-28mm (not to large) carb to get more air and both carbs can be had with jets to richen or learn her out (I prefer rich to save motor). Also what is up with the cam ratios?!?! I know small block Chevy cams- heads-intake performances but I am new to the scooters lol. I know the gear ratio will be best for the BBK in the future but right now I am looking at carb / intake / air filter to change that will work with the 150cc and be adjustable with the BBK in the future.*
I have been down and out for over a week now (R.A. has kick my butt big time) from my left knee and leg being swollen the size of a volley ball. The motor is sill not broke in yet , still under 500 miles, and I want to ride ... so bad. The weather also has been picking at me but hey that happens living in the south east.
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Hope you get on the road soon!
https://youtu.be/tEtDyKi9cpo
Link to video of me doing a test run. I was riding and my nephew was behind me but I did not know who it was. Hit the turn before the bridge running 58.3 mph GPS (caution 45 mph turn) and the death wobble started lol I know better than that. Maybe getting ready to change gears again and do a variator weight/roller (not sliders) change. She rides good and adjusting to her real good. Trying to set my torque up in the right spot.
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Great video! Felt like I was there...:thumbsup:
Have you considered to do some kind of current variator tweaking in a way, to do some discrete grinding here and there? Although scooters (and English language, for that matter) are not my cup of tea, I've heard (and saw) that some "Dremel" action, together with things you already did, do good on scooter's transmission.
An one more thing, that was recently confirmed for me one more time - for Chinese engines, heedful break-in is a must. Even doing nothing with the engine, after break-in period, you will sense the difference - it'll run smoother and cooler, be more agile, consume less fuel... Unless you kill the engine before that... So, I am convinced that after some 1500 miles, you too will sense that on your scoot.
Thanks. Yes. I have the variator weight kit to find the right size. Hoca set came in this a.m. and the Teflon Hoca variator also new gears. Call it a late fathers day gift from my son. He hooked me up. I will do the weight change today and get the rpm back up before I change the gears out.Quote:
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Thanks. I was trying to get a good camera view so I could watch the rpm/speed so I can figure out what way to go from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by culcune
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The surroundings looked like very good scooter surroundings :) Interesting tuning of a scooter too :)
Thanks. I love this area. Lots of open roads and farm land. That is why I am trying to get her up to speed (55-60 mph GPS) so not to get run over lol. During spring and fall you have to watch for the farm trucks and tractors around here..for sure. Like I said before 8 miles to the nearest town/city in either direction from my small town.Quote:
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Sounds like a heaven :)
Ok test are in. Wish I had videoed the runs.*
1st change on rollers- 3x6g + 3x8g rollers total gave me 7g set...10,000 rpm max and saw 60 mph GPS.
2nd change on rollers- 3x9g + 3x11g rollers total gave me 10g set...8,000 rpm max and saw 58-59 mph GPS.
3rd change on rollers- 3x8g + 3x10g rollers total gave me 9g set.....9,000 rpm max and saw 58-59 mph GPS.
Very windy day here so speeds are off a lot. Gust upwards of 10-15 mph I think.
No gear change yet just trying the roller weight tune kit to figure what rollers to order. Hoca variator came with 12g set x6 but did not try them yet. I need a gram scale lol The Hoca gears are setting in the bottom of the tool box and have not been looked at yet. Did SSP-G buy Hoca out or the other way around? SSP-G is a German based company so quality should be good...I hope. The stock variator rollers had some bad ..and I mean bad flat spots all around them.
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Wait! Scoot hits 60 mph in any setup and that's it. Is there some sort of limiter that you don't know about?
IMO, 60 is more than decent top speed for scoot fitted with 157QMJ engine.
lol I am just try to find the sweet spot for the scoot on these wide open roads. I use the GPS (Global Pos Sat) to check my speed (That's the gauge on the fairing) The Chinese puck speedometer is way off. If I am running 60 mph (GPS) the Chinese puck speedometer is showing 70+ mph and I know that 70+ was not right lol. I have also been told the motor is not broke in yet but I have to get close to what I need here to be safe. I have hit 65 mph (GPS) before but today she was windy ..real bad. Gust up to 10-15 mph.Quote:
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Stock speedo shows subjective assessment of speed, something like subjective assessments of temperature they mention in weather forecast. :icon10:
lol I know right. Rain-no rain- sun- no sun- humid-not humid. lol All is good.Quote:
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First good day to ride for me. She purrs like a kitten. Running 55-60 mph (GPS) with little wind it holds 8,000-8,500 rpm steady. Hoca variator and 9g Hoca rollers 18x14. I noticed when I run down the speed and throttle back up .. sometimes it crackles and takes off. Is the rollers to light or is the exhaust to open? All I know is she is smooth fun right now. Monday I may go get a 2006 Honda Reflex with 4,000 miles on her for $1,250-1,500 it depends if they get it running. Car lot has it and forgot about it. Kelly Bluebook says trade in is still $2,200 in good shape. Now that my friends is a sweet deal if I can fix the carb/clean the fuel tank/get a battery.
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Latest video and update. New exhaust, cold air kit and belt on the way. Wrong belt from factory and replace with wrong belt lol. More videos to come soon.
https://youtu.be/l6HNhZ60SKg
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It look that scoot pulls smoothly from the low revs. That's nice.
Thanks. That's my plan to run the motor just right and make it last. I have new parts coming in to pick up and free up the motor a little. She is a blast to ride. People look at me while riding and I grin and ride on past. Heck I was going fast enough on 4th of July I passed a car/suv running 60 mph lol I know they could not figure that one out. lolQuote:
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Interestingly it sounds a bit like two stroke at high revs, also on the "highway" it sounded like it would soon explode or takeoff like an airplane :lol8: But good job :)