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Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Hi guys,
I am planning a 1 week (max 10 days) trip from Beijing to Qinghai and back in the second half of Sep 2017.
At the moment it is at the wishful thinking stage, however I would need to nail down key points sometime relatively soon to start working on logistics.
Current crew is 2 ppl on one tourist motorcycle (CF Moto TR-G), we generally do not do camping so would need to find accommodation spots to take naps at nights.
Also, we generally prefer to use different routes for the way TO any destination and BACK from it and try not to see same roads two times.
Current plan is to decide on major items by end-July, prepare for the trip with no rush within 4-5 weeks afterwards and to be generally ready by 1st decade of September.
My Chinese is pretty limited (HSK 2 at max), however some experience from travels in other parts of the world (e.g. in South America, Cambodia etc) showed that nothing is impossible to agree on, even in rural areas w/o proper local language skills. China might be different though.
We would be happy if someone from MCM community decides to join us to make the trip more efficient, safe and balanced in terms of communication, mutual support etc.
Should you have any suggestions (could be totally different) regarding the destination, route, logistics, warnings, advices - all ideas welcome! (N.B. - Except from "you better stay home":))
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
You better stay at home :lol8:
Take Metalmonkey with you, and keep the pace slow enough for his enduro :) Better yet, chose some dirt roads too and have him waiting for you :)
Make it Epic! :naughty:
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Hi, Alexey.
I am located in Xining (Qinghai province) and could join you for few days ride here. PM me when you're planning your trip.
cheers
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Hi, a_steel, nice to e-meet you!
I understand there is ca. 1700 km from BJ to Xining so with no hurry it should take 2 days for us to arrive and we can take it from there!
Alternatively, I am thinking to take a bit to south first and stop by Xi'an for a day or two. But anyway, I'll sort it out.
Will be in touch soon!
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Lexeyich
Hi guys,
I am planning a 1 week (max 10 days) trip from Beijing to Qinghai and back in the second half of Sep 2017.
At the moment it is at the wishful thinking stage, however I would need to nail down key points sometime relatively soon to start working on logistics.
Current crew is 2 ppl on one tourist motorcycle (CF Moto TR-G), we generally do not do camping so would need to find accommodation spots to take naps at nights.
Also, we generally prefer to use different routes for the way TO any destination and BACK from it and try not to see same roads two times.
Current plan is to decide on major items by end-July, prepare for the trip with no rush within 4-5 weeks afterwards and to be generally ready by 1st decade of September.
My Chinese is pretty limited (HSK 2 at max), however some experience from travels in other parts of the world (e.g. in South America, Cambodia etc) showed that nothing is impossible to agree on, even in rural areas w/o proper local language skills. China might be different though.
We would be happy if someone from MCM community decides to join us to make the trip more efficient, safe and balanced in terms of communication, mutual support etc.
Should you have any suggestions (could be totally different) regarding the destination, route, logistics, warnings, advices - all ideas welcome! (N.B. - Except from "you better stay home":))
Cool, you guys are going to Qinghai.. I MAY be up for part of this trip. Will PM you. I do think ten days is a bit short for a round trip though.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Have you thought of going by the Cliff road in Henan Guoliang cliff corridor in Guoliang village, Huixian county..?
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
moilami
You better stay at home :lol8:
Take Metalmonkey with you, and keep the pace slow enough for his enduro :) Better yet, chose some dirt roads too and have him waiting for you :)
Make it Epic! :naughty:
Not sure what this means, I am slow as...
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Metalmonkey
Have you thought of going by the Cliff road in Henan Guoliang cliff corridor in Guoliang village, Huixian county..?
Need to look at the map - not yet familiar with the road names:)
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Lexeyich
Need to look at the map - not yet familiar with the road names:)
It's a cliff face road in Henan province...Attachment 19582Attachment 19583
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Lexeyich
Hi, a_steel, nice to e-meet you!
I understand there is ca. 1700 km from BJ to Xining so with no hurry it should take 2 days for us to arrive and we can take it from there!
Alternatively, I am thinking to take a bit to south first and stop by Xi'an for a day or two. But anyway, I'll sort it out.
Will be in touch soon!
How long again do you plan to make this trip in (beijing-qinghai)? .. Was two days a typo? :)
There's been mention of speed on here what are you two riding? (Sorry if I missed this and you've already said)
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Lexeyich
I understand there is ca. 1700 km from BJ to Xining so with no hurry it should take 2 days for us to arrive
What does ca. mean?
I hope you don't actually think you're going to ride 1700km in 2 days?
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Metalmonkey
That would be epic :)
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Well,your questions sound like I might be too optimistic indeed and not taking into account some Chinese realities...
Assuming good roads (highway type or smaller but light traffic) and based on rides in Europe/Russia/US I am usually doing circa (ca) 1000 rm per riding day (sometimes less of course, sometimes more). I made three Ironbutts runs (min. 1600 km/24h, min.2500 km/36h and min.2000 km/24h). But it was done on purpose, with minimal stops etc.
That's why I thought that 700km/day should be Ok. On weekends (like today) I ride within and around BJ - and with 10am-ish starting time, photo shooting stops, lunch I am back at ca. 7pm with 400-450 km behind. This is where I was coming from re 2 days for 1700 km
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
Lexeyich
Well,your questions sound like I might be too optimistic indeed and not taking into account some Chinese realities...
Assuming good roads (highway type or smaller but light traffic) and based on rides in Europe/Russia/US I am usually doing circa (ca) 1000 rm per riding day (sometimes less of course, sometimes more). I made three Ironbutts runs (min. 1600 km/24h, min.2500 km/36h and min.2000 km/24h). But it was done on purpose, with minimal stops etc.
That's why I thought that 700km/day should be Ok. On weekends (like today) I ride within and around BJ - and with 10am-ish starting time, photo shooting stops, lunch I am back at ca. 7pm with 400-450 km behind. This is where I was coming from re 2 days for 1700 km
Without going on the toll roads 1700 km in 2 days is going to be hard work, not impossible but you need a bit of luck with the road conditions and traffic IMO.
But good luck.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Planning days over 500k in China is a recipe for disaster. It takes one stretch of bad road, or mechanical problem, to set you back and then you're pushing to keep a schedule. Riding 10-12 hours per day, every day, can be exhausting, and can often result in a mistake. Sometimes it's better to dig deeper into the place your going instead of burning through huge kilometers. If you look at this ride report, we only covered 4010 kilometers riding 8-10 hours every day over 15 days. But, wow, those were some amazing kilometers. You only have 10 days, so you might want to think about sending your bikes to Qinghai and riding back.
One other thing to think about, the more people you have, the worse your progress. I never ride with more than 1 or 2 other riders, it always ends up costing you time.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Alexey, there's one more problem worth to mention: you're goind to ride with a pillion, what is forbidden on higway by national laws. I think 500km is real daily distance in China
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
moilami
That would be epic :)
Do you know you use the word epic quite a bit- making me paranoid:)
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
a_steel
Alexey, there's one more problem worth to mention: you're goind to ride with a pillion, what is forbidden on higway by national laws. I think 500km is real daily distance in China
I managed an average of 268 km per day recently- maybe I ride like a grandma but..
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
300 km a day is respectcall IMO.
Its not a race? It don't mater if you ride 100 or 1500km a day.
Enjoy what you ride is the main thing.
After you get more used to riding in China you will be surprised how quick the Km will add up.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Metalmonkey
Do you know you use the word epic quite a bit- making me paranoid:)
Well, one remembers epic road trips :lol8:
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
All comments, advices and concerns are taken and well noted gentlemen!
Will adjust my logistics plans accordingly to make them more reasonable!
Thank you!
Will update you on further steps once I deep dive into more detailed planning:)
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Good to hear that, hope to see more posts how the preparations for the trip proceed.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
moilami
Good to hear that, hope to see more posts how the preparations for the trip proceed.
I call the preparation the "3 F".
1.Fill the tank with petrol.
2.Fill my pockets with money.
3.Fill my bag with clothes.
The 3XF......
When all done go go go .
:riding: :riding: :riding:
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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moilami
Good to hear that, hope to see more posts how the preparations for the trip proceed.
Ok, the solution that may work better indeed is to send my motorcycle to Xining, to fly there, go around the lake and ride back to BJ (or either way, to ride from BJ to Xining and send the bike back by cargo).
It will result in 2600-2700 km of ride in 10-12 days (instead of 5000km+ if i ride both ways) which looks Ok-ish from what I hear.
Now will think about whether to take north and go through Inner Mongolia (Bayan Nur) or use this opportunity to stop by Xi'an (haben't been there before).
The latter route (I assume) might be more busy in terms of traffic and less scenic but happy to hear other opinions!
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Both routes created avoiding highways and toll roads.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
North route is better more senic.
I will be Baotou from the 3rd August onwards till after the weekend.
Big bike race day arranged by CFmoto so I been told.
Many rides from our local Longkou club are going so I think it a big meet.
Shipping is costly and you may have damage on the bike.
IMO ride Kent both ways.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
Alexey, you may consider another option: ride to Xining, have few days here, then leave bike in some place for storage for 1-2 months. then come here again, for example, in end September, take bike, ride it from here down to Sichuan or whenever else during National holidays (first week of October)
storage here isn't a big deal, I know at least two places where your bike will be safe till you come back.
I am considering to make ride from Xining to Chongqing at the end of September to visit CIMA 2017 (motorcycle exhibition).
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
shit, I just noticed "Sep 2017" in the header of this thread :D
which dates are you planning to travel?
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
As prince said the northern route is the better option, but I would go from Hohot to Datong and then side roads followed by the G109 to Beijing.
Before you reach the Beijing mountains I would avoid the G road. Shortly before the mountain area start get on the G109 and you get hours of roller coaster :riding:
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
a_steel
shit, I just noticed "Sep 2017" in the header of this thread :D
which dates are you planning to travel?
Yeah, I plan to travel during the second fortnight of September and have a bit of time during the Golden Week to visit my parents and see some dudes etc.
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Re: Beijing - Qinghai - Beijing (Sep 2017)
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Originally Posted by
ShuBen
As prince said the northern route is the better option, but I would go from Hohot to Datong and then side roads followed by the G109 to Beijing.
Before you reach the Beijing mountains I would avoid the G road. Shortly before the mountain area start get on the G109 and you get hours of roller coaster :riding:
Well noted, thank you ShuBen!