I got the bike packed and ready to be shipped to Kunming. Naturally I forgot a few things, but I didn't expect the weather to take a nasty turn. Like I should have put the knobbies on. Oh well! I decided to give the Giant Loop soft bag the nod. The panniers don't work well for me. I keep bumping into stuff with that large bulk hanging off the sides, and besides they weight a lot (even when empty).