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Does the Shineray XY200GY-7 "Long March" still exist?
Hello!
I've never posted before but I've been reading for a few months now ;D
I'm interested in buying the Shineray Long March.
It's no longer on www.shineray.com and I'm wondering if they still produce this bike...???
I've been travelling in China for 2 years and need a bike that matches the Long March's description!
I want to travel with my motorcycle very very far distances and potentially have a 20 to 30kg load on the bike at times.
Is there another bike for under 10,000rmb that would also suit my needs?
Thanks!
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I dont speak chinese, are these recent postings from the company about the bike, if so I am going to order 2 of them for my brother and I to ride while he is here for a couple of weeks, is it possible to order them with a cross tire?
scratchndent
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zhu
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its not actually the long march
but it has the same tank and in fact has a better engine and front end
like all cheap chinese bikes it is not without some problems but nothing serious
i have 10,000km on mine and it is still going well
just had to replace the chain, cush drive bushes, swing arm bushes, spokes
pretty much the whole driveline actually
all cheap parts to replace just a shame the builder didnt do it in the first place.....
you can get them with any wheels tires you want also any engine from 150 - 250
find a local to communicate with him because his english is about as good as my chinese
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Zhu, Great, thanks for the speedy reply, I have a translator I just worry about the inability to speak motorcycle-ese. I will try to get some more info and post it up on here. You have 10000km on the stock bike the way it came from the factory? and what about an equipment list that you replaced? Would you recomment getting the cast aluminum wheels for it to keep that from happening further down the road? Or is the added weight too much? I really appreciate your taking the time to tell me about the bike. How far is Yangzhou from Beijing?
Thanks, Marty
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zhu
its not actually the long march
but it has the same tank and in fact has a better engine and front end
like all cheap chinese bikes it is not without some problems but nothing serious
i have 10,000km on mine and it is still going well
just had to replace the chain, cush drive bushes, swing arm bushes, spokes
pretty much the whole driveline actually
all cheap parts to replace just a shame the builder didnt do it in the first place.....
you can get them with any wheels tires you want also any engine from 150 - 250
find a local to communicate with him because his english is about as good as my chinese
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Okay, so I answered some of my own questions, as far as where Zhu is as compared to me, more than 12 hours to the south, and thats probably in a car at break neck speed, so the internet will have to do. I just got off the phone with the guy from the taobao ad where the above bike in the link is listed. As pictured, 11,860元 delivered to beijing to a shop I know and trust, near the 798 area. They will do the final assembly and tuning on them, price tbd but I cant see it being too bad. they said 3-5 days for delivery and a couple of days to final assembly and tuning, so about a week total. The guy at the place building them also said that I could swap to a different wheel set/tires/disc rear brake fairly cheap too. Also they said without fapio is the quoted price, 300 more per bike for fapio. So there is the info he gave me. Oh and because I am buying 2 of them, one for me and one for my brother is 500元 cheaper than the list on the site.
So a few new questions, will having the fapio expedite the sale of the second bike after my brother leaves be better or not make a difference. Does anyone know the time and funds involved in registering the bikes? I need to know so I can get the bikes here in time to get it all done and test ride both bikes for a while before my brother gets here so i am thinking about the lead time that I should get them ordered. And since we are planning on staying in hotel/hostel/ or some kind locals house when possible, I am thinking about just getting the rear rack without the side racks, just over the rear fender. we are only going for a week and I think I can carry all I need on one rack and a backpack.
Any thoughts anyone out there? Appreciate you taking time to reply, especially those of you out there that have travelled around china already as we are embarking on our first trip on bikes here.
scratchndent
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scratchndent
Zhu, Great, thanks for the speedy reply, I have a translator I just worry about the inability to speak motorcycle-ese. I will try to get some more info and post it up on here. You have 10000km on the stock bike the way it came from the factory? and what about an equipment list that you replaced? Would you recomment getting the cast aluminum wheels for it to keep that from happening further down the road? Or is the added weight too much? I really appreciate your taking the time to tell me about the bike. How far is Yangzhou from Beijing?
Thanks, Marty
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I would check, double check, and get it 100% guaranteed that you can get these bikes registered. I seriously doubt a bashed together taobao deal is going to come with all the necessary documents for registration.
Cheers!
ChinaV
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yeah 10 k the only thing i have done is a small mod to the engine mounts (rebuilt them from thicker steel) because they kept cracking
not suprising as they were 2mm thick
easy to make and sourced the metal from the scrap bin outside a factory
the spokes cost 1kuai each and have replaced about all of them now
the cush drive bushes cost 20 kuai for a set of 4
D.I.D o-ring chain about 200 kuai
swingarm bushes 70kuai
so not expensive things just a pity because the builder could easily use better parts
yangzhou is about 800km from beijing and while you are welcome to visit
the east coast is not really the cool place to ride
if you have a few weeks go west young man!
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I would also double triple check that. The bike they're selling is not the "Long March".
I actually just bought one straight from the factory through a Shineray dealership in Xiaguan (Dali new city in Yunnan Province) for 11,800 including insurance, plate registration, and tax.
If you're only going to ride it for two weeks then go for it but getting it registered might be a problem.
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ChinaV
I would check, double check, and get it 100% guaranteed that you can get these bikes registered. I seriously doubt a bashed together taobao deal is going to come with all the necessary documents for registration.
Cheers!
ChinaV
yeah what he said
basically you wont get them registered in beijing
in the smaller towns..well as the chinese say
there are many hills and valleys between here and beijing
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Man this place is a fountain of information, thanks guys, I feel like I am being fed with a firehose. So that is not the bike I want to get for my brother who is used to a KTM 690? I dont want to have any issues while we are out, as I need to get back to the Jing, I have restaurants to run and a week away for me now is alot. Should I just bite the bullet and get them directly from Shineray? But reliability being the top reason to spend some extra money on it, like I said I dont want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere. So let me have it guys, spend the 23000 and keep one really nice bike after selling the lightly used one? Or spend 12000 and have a disposeable model? The experts are here and I am listening intently.
scratchndent
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i dont think the shinery is any more reliable than wang jians bikes
mine has never failed to get me home
in fact i rode it 1000km straight out of the box the weekend i got it
so they are ready to rock as delivered
the only advantage is the shinery can be registered
its your call if this is important to you
my own view is "when in rome do as the chinese do"
that being pay scant regard to any and all regulations and rules
just my opinon and i know that many others dont agree with this attitude
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Zhu, Thanks again, I appreciate your candor. Coming from a guy that has 10k on his bike of the one that will give me alot of room money wise as I would like to pay for my brothers plane ticket as well for an early bday gift, and the bike looks just like it=shineray long march. Unless someone has earthshattering reasons why not to do it, I am going to get two of the cheaper, customs to a point, rear disc brake, bash guards for hands-forgive the retardness of that last illiterate part description, and a decent fuel can and some rear only box, I am gonna go for it. Fake plates and book it is. Would it be possible to me to ask one furtner question about the new parts, in your opinion, should I do the parts swap to them that you did so I have no worries or just #()@! and ride them? Its not that much money but it will make mine last longer and the other one a great deal when it comes to the resale, hint hint, anyone, Beuller, Bueller? After this I wont ask anymore, intentionally or otherwise stupid requests. My next task coming up is to read the whole forum in reqards to my plight, so most of the stuff will be answered there. Guess my paranoia comes from this will be my brothers and first trip like this together and I want us to have a good time with little or no issues, just fun and great memories.
scratchndent
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Marty, by the way. If you are packing fairly light and only have the top rack I wouldn't take a backpack, I would just pack another small bag and strap it down over the passenger/pillion seat. You should be able to get these are really cheap but would probably do OK to keep dust and such out for a week. These are nicer and more expensive but they would give you some more options for strapping it down, through that nylon web handle. In fact if you pack the one for your seat with the round soft side facing your pack it kind of acts like a little extra lower pack support, which can be nice. Generally I also try to use bungee nets instead of cords because I think their a little safer, give you a few more options, and seem to do a better job.
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So you're willing to risk your career and your restaurants by going it the illegal way? You live in Beijing dude, not east bumbfuck where the cops don't give a shit. If you read all the ride reports on this forum, you will learn two things...those bikes usually fail at some point during a trip, and almost everyone has some kind of accident along the way. You bring your bro to China and I guarantee his first reaction to a long march is going to be "what a piece of shit", that was my first impression.... and I ride Chinese bikes all the time. But they will get you there and sometimes that's half the fun.
You seem to have all the best intentions in the world, but I think you should stop a minute and think about what you want to do. There are very real consequences for riding illegally in China, and there's almost always some way to get things done legally if you try.
Cheers!
ChinaV
P.S. Why would you get a fuel can, it's called the long march because you can ride over 500k on a tank easily.
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I have read the license part of the forum and a chinese friend-co worker is helping me with that and will be long done before the trip, if I can get them registered legally then I am definately going to try, thats why I am here, for sure dont want to risk the issues and tomorrow I will talk with the person to make sure I can register. But then if I cant, then whats the next step? Like I said I will read the rest of the forum and use the tips, but hell or highwater in september I want to head out. Like I said before I am good at following directions. I have already been reading alot so far, there is just alot. thats definately why Im here so I think I need to get more info from the builder and start early to get it all done. Preciate all of ya.
scratchndent
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yeah probably wont be needing an extra fuel can
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Since you have some time, why not treat this as two separate projects. First, get your license and a good legal bike you can rely on, I'm sure you will find plenty of excuses to go riding once you get a bike. Second, see what the deal is for getting your brother a temp license when he arrives, I thinks it's fairly easy to do in BJ. Check with the other bikers in Beijing, I'm pretty sure you can rent a Jialing JH600, or even a BMW, for a week without much trouble as long as you have a license.
Cheers!
ChinaV
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I'm 98% sure he was talking about a the gas tank, and just jokingly said gas can.
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just while we are talking about it i think its unfair to call this bike a "piece of shit"
sure enough it is not really well built but with some simple and cheap mods its actually a pretty fair bike
its like riding in a time warp right back to a 1980,s xr/xl 250 with twin shocks and meagre horsepower
as for renting a bmw
well i suppose you can do that anywhere in the world and its prolly going to cost you the price of the bike to rent one for a fortnight
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So I guess the final result will be when i talk to the builder tomorrow, I like the bike and I will get their guarantee on registering the vehicles and then move forward with all the other work, I am not Ewan MacGregor so getting BMW aint gonna happen, so I will just start from there. I went to the Shineray site and I cant get any of the product links to work, I saw someone on here earlier had that issue as well, none of the website works for me beyond the first pages of products, shows the products but you cant get any further. I dont mind spending the money on some easily registerable, I have enough to buy a better bike and if that means less issues further down the road/trail/govt stuff, then so be it and I will sell the other one just the same. So I dont care, whatever is easiest and least painless and gains the final desired result.
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ChinaV
So you're willing to risk your career and your restaurants by going it the illegal way? You live in Beijing dude, not east bumbfuck where the cops don't give a shit. If you read all the ride reports on this forum, you will learn two things...those bikes usually fail at some point during a trip, and almost everyone has some kind of accident along the way. You bring your bro to China and I guarantee his first reaction to a long march is going to be "what a piece of shit", that was my first impression.... and I ride Chinese bikes all the time. But they will get you there and sometimes that's half the fun.
You seem to have all the best intentions in the world, but I think you should stop a minute and think about what you want to do. There are very real consequences for riding illegally in China, and there's almost always some way to get things done legally if you try.
Cheers!
ChinaV
P.S. Why would you get a fuel can, it's called the long march because you can ride over 500k on a tank easily.
the failures i have seen can all be put down to piss poor maintenance
i.e. letting local mechanics work unsupervised
there is nothing wrong with those zhongshen engines
change the oil every 1000km and its good for 30,000km at least
crashes happen its true but the chance of crashing can be reduced by remembering a simple rule
there are bold riders, and there are old riders.. but there are very few old bold riders
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anyway , moving right along
i think you cant go past these bags
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7453982072
tiger tested by jeremy on his 100 day trip around china
combined with one of those waterproof bags posted before
and if you dont want the racks get him to put a disc brake on the rear of this bike
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9416978032&
and a green tank if you really like the military look
personally i have had enough camo to last me a lifetime
and i really think the easier you are to see in china the longer you will live
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Man I like those bags, I think that it will be big enough to carry some lunch and enough clothes, rain gear, I think that is the way. I dont think I could bring myself to order that red one with the purple rims. I agree with you Zhu that being bright is definately the way to go but that is one ugly bike. I found another one on the site that I like and my brother said the fork on this one was a bit tougher looking. On the registration front, getting it registered here-Beijing, what am I going to have to go thru to get it done. He said he could get it registered where he is but gave no guarantees on being able to get it done in Beijing. suggestions, anyone, I will get going on it to make sure I am ready when he gets here , also I am taking my test next week to get legal and then I can get my bro the info so when he gets here he can take the test and then we will take off.
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zhu
anyway , moving right along
i think you cant go past these bags
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7453982072
tiger tested by jeremy on his 100 day trip around china
combined with one of those waterproof bags posted before
and if you dont want the racks get him to put a disc brake on the rear of this bike
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9416978032&
and a green tank if you really like the military look
personally i have had enough camo to last me a lifetime
and i really think the easier you are to see in china the longer you will live
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my butt hurts just looking at that seat.. oh but the old dog took me places far far away. Looking back no regrets, but it wasn't always fun.
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3 layers of lavender memory foam and the seat is sweet
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I just got back from the Canton Fair. I was there specifically to check out progress on the Shineray XY400GY (aka X5; I will post an update on that on the X5 post on this site). I own the Long March and I have found a way to register it, but it definitely falls into the "grey area" of China'a motorcycle laws and you need some "relationship" with the Jiangmen local police to pull it off. In short, the Long March is all but registerable, along with any other Taobao purchase that is not "国三" or European emmisions certified (EEC). According to the law anything over 150cc without EEC is not registerable. Check out the licensing posts in this forum for more info. One bike that I would consider for your trip is the Shineray XY250GY-2 (EEC). Attachment 6924 This bike goes for 10,000+ but I don't have an exact number. I had a look at it yesterday at the fair and it was pretty nice. It is already being exported to foreign countries and is available now, unlike the X5, and is registerable in China. if you're interested in a contact info I met the sales rep, a Mr. Steven Wang, who said that he can arrange a sale within China. I don't know if we're allowed to post this kind of contact info in a post...?
Anyway, that's my two cents. I hope it's of help!
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Oh, and to answer your question, no, the "Long March" technically does not still exist. It is officially out of production now.
Unfortunately it has been caste to the wayside, so to speak. I still can't understand why Shineray didn't put a little more into this bike as in my humble opinion, this bike has great potential and obvious appeal. I just hope they get their ass in gear with the x5.