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Hi all, thought I'd share some 3d model pics I received in an email from Jason Lau of Shineray. He is super helpful and nice. Bike looks quite interesting, guess it won't be available in USA, but in Canada. Jason mentioned the prototype plastics were out and he plans on showing this model at this year's ECIMMA. Check out pics below:
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Looks good, but I dont hold my breath to see it on the road before 2013.
The X2 (XY250-GY2) was shown around for years before it was commercially available...and now as it is available, it cant be registered - at least in China. And nobody in Shineray knows when they will be able to upgrade to FI. Thier communication towards the market and dealers is a mess.
The track record of Chinese manufacturers to make prototypes is well known - the final available product is a different story. Check for the QingQi 250...
Those are all computer generated images….so its not really even a prototype, its a computer generated rendering.
The way to get in the market is with low cost access for dealers the retailers need to get the unit at low cost, retailers need to make revenue on the sale and they will sell them and support them only if they make profit on them.
They could select the largest dealers in several large markets, then offer them one unit each on consignment at cost.
That offer should be with a contract that dealers agree to take delivery on any unit ordered online, and to prep, register and service those orders.
The 250 offered for a year, offered that way and with pricing to dealers that only covers the operating costs of the factory to get them in the market, that done to establish business relationship with big dealers in big markets.
They should only offer one model and police the heck out if, with serious 24 month warranty.
I would suggest a OTD retail price under $2,800.00 for the 250 if that is not possible then they can forget the USA market. The online purchase should be at or under that amount and include everything dealer prep tax, delivery and title.
They have to have a website that is 100% state of the art, that links to all related information and 100% accurate. The management of the sale of the bikes in the USA has to be done by an American and strategic with the intention of penetrating the market.
That person would need a staff and be linked to the factory, the entire staff should be employees of Shineray. They should develop a process support system for the market and implement it into the market place. They all, that being the manufactures, require a application software that links them to the unit’s they manufacture and sell into the market.
They need to spend money to make money, it takes time. The customer will always choose the best for the least price, they seem to be trying to see how much profit they can make and that is putting the cart before the horse. They cannot command high prices until they earn the right in the eyes of the consumers. They should never assume the customer is foolish or naive they should assume the customer is highly knowledgeable and shrewd . They need to be totally on top of the units they sell as they sell them, they need customers raving about the value and quality of the motorcycles. They need the dealers to be applauding them on the fast and timely support.
It is all and should be an exercise, it all should be a prototype and perfected to be 100% on every aspect. They then have place to launch new models. Consider that Kawasaki has 850 dealers in the USA, in order to sell these Shineray motorcycles you have to also sell through as many of those 850 dealers as possible. You have to impress them you also have to reward them or they will never let you in.
Looks very interesting. I want one but it's likely to be one of those projects that takes years or never happens.
Might be closer to reality if they stuck their DOHC 250 engine in there.
Here's a picture that was posted September 2009. So here we are almost two years later and we get computer renderings.
I have to wonder if Yingang has the ability to get their 250cc water cooled engine to meet the C3 standards.
This prototype would do well with the 250cc DOHC, if it was approved and they had a better systems of support.
It is not rocket science, they need a distributed application software, the products entered into the system at the factory and tracked through the value chain to dealers and even record customer.
Please we are all on a computer and all distributed across the globe, a simple database that records and links all the related documents. It is not just a products design it a business process, big companies acting like little companies…the results can be disastrous.
The VIN is a primary key, it can be linked through multiple tables, parts tables and in those linked to suppliers.
With respect to these companies they may have to set up a parallel system, then test it, that can be done with or for only one production line for one model. It can be done into a market they have not yet penetrated, as in an exercise, then once patented the process can then be expanded to other production lines and other markets.
All the bikes can line up like soldiers in the factory, but if they are not guided by lines of data that track them you lead those soldiers of a cliff.
It is or maybe to soon for the advancement of the product line, the previous products or current products in the retail market have not established a sustainable foothold.
They have to maintain a very tight communication network through the value chain, from the factory to the consumers, everyone looking at the same information. As it is today the hand offs fail, misinformation and even intentional distortions abound.
A consumer should see the production schedule, they should see in a lag, as inventory on hand or advertised. Showing them a fantasy bike has no value.
This one is a KTM or copy of a KTM.note the PDS linkless suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
The XY400GY is a copy of a Honda XR400.I think the XY 400GY made it into production a couple of years ago but in a different format.
hi mate, how do you know YINGANG. I am from the factory and the 250 DOHC is good. unfortuantely, we will not develop the RAlly bike. we develop a bike will take more than 3 years at least. maybe, we are not as clever as most Chinese motorcycle factories. now the 250NF with EFI will be ready in early 2012 in USA. also the C3 stardand is in application. at the same time 2012- JAN-01; it will be on Chinese market.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Dear Ryamond!Quote:
Originally Posted by raymondygz
Many thanks for your post and warmly welcoming you to MyChinaMoto! If you are here reading this forum, you are not less clever than other Chinese manufacturers, you are more clever. There a a ton of excitement here about Chinabikes in general, and about your 250 in particular. Please have a look through serpentza's recent thread, which features a buddy riding the C2 Yingang 250NF. As you'll see, these guys really like the Yingang. Dig a bit deeper, and you'll find that the Yingang in that thread previously was owned by MCM member ChinaV, who wrote in very great detail about his experiences with the bike over more than 20,000 km of daily riding.
We really really want your bikes to succeed, especially inside China -- not just overseas. And the better that Yingang does, the harder your competitors will work to make their bikes better and better.
You will make a lot of people happy with your news that the C3 250NF will hit the market in January! Though the bikes are different, lots of us are wondering how the Yingang will shape up against the C3 Qingqi 250 motard, which is supposedly coming out in November or December. Competition is good, and will make your bikes better and better.
I really appreciate your taking time to post here -- in English. Please feel free to post here any time. Feel free to ask questions! You'll win lots of friends by initiating a dialogue with us. We love Chinabikes, including the Yingang.
cheers!
I found information on Yingang on the internet,I discovered them in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymondygz
What is your position at Yingang.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymondygz
Nobody was suggesting that you should, Shineray already has, it may be clever to sell your EFI to them. That being if Yingang developed it, if not then still a relation with those also producing the same engine would be mutually beneficial. Sharing should go beyond technology and related technical training, it should also venture into shared business processes for distribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymondygz
I am sorry to hear it took you five year to get a handle on the industry....that being said you may be careful with your use of the word clever.