I found this new bike from Asiawing which looks very promising to say the least! See what you think....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWz9AXiW-c
If you click on Asiawingmotor, they have some other videos of this bike in action.
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I found this new bike from Asiawing which looks very promising to say the least! See what you think....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWz9AXiW-c
If you click on Asiawingmotor, they have some other videos of this bike in action.
I think it may be a KX450 engine on a Chinese frame:scooter:
Looks good. The Asiawing 450 is supposed to be watercooled and to 500 air/oil. Is the KX450 water-coooled?
CC
If it is a KX450 engine I don't think Kawasaki would be to impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franki
Might be able to sell them in China but the rest of the World may be a different story.
KX450 are water cooled.
IF (and this is a very large if) the photos of the engine on Asiawing's web site are accurate it ca't be the same engine. The Asiawing engine looks like a SOHC with a 9.6:1 compression ratio while the KX450 is a 12.5:1 with DOHC. Would really need to see a better image of the Asiawing bike (which they currently don't offer on their web page).
http://www.asiawing.com/asiawing_004.htm
Also, I don't think Kawasaki has any joint partnership relationships with chinese manufacturers do they? I know the other three of the Big Four do but I don't recall the Big Green having any knock-offs.
CC
Where I live there is a quad bike factory who have a deal with Yamaha.They are all Yamaha technology and they all have 450cc water-cooled singles.They make these engines here. Perhaps this is a similar engine in the Asiawing?
Possibly the technology in the bikes near me is older than the modern YFZ, and probably has 4 valves and a carb, but I'm not sure.
Yamaha YFZ450R 2009
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/yamaha...-%20Yamaha.jpg
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 449.00 ccm (27.40 cubic inches)
Engine type: Single cylinder
Stroke: 4
Compression: 11.6:1
Bore x stroke: 95.0 x 63.4 mm (3.7 x 2.5 inches)
Fuel system: Injection. Yamaha Fuel Injection (YFI) , 42mm
Valves per cylinder: 5
Fuel control: DOHC
Ignition: TCI (Digital)
Starter: Electric
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 5-speed
Transmission type
final drive: Chain
The quad bike factory near me IMHO is an attempt by Yamaha to make 'real' quad bikes available re-badged and cut the copycat Chinese garbage out of the foreign export market.
Now that I think I can embed videos, here is another video of the bike in actual competition. Of course, no one knows what, if anything, was done to prep the bike, or if it's really their own bike, and the competition doesn't look extremely intense, maybe on par with how 'snortin nortin' rides on his home track after a few cappacinos, but this is their own company video:
Just checking the details, the Asiawing engine clearly isn't a modern YFZ Yamaha or possibly it's not even Yamaha at all. May phone the factory to find out as the factory is in Shandong on 200 kms from me.
Spoke to the factory, they had a guy with really decent English, he said the engine was originally a Honda developed 450 single. Whether this is an officially licenced Honda engine or not I'm unsure. The guy said they make the engine themselves.
So this probably is similar to the CRF 450 engine. In fact this probably is a CRF450 'clone' bike.
Cost quoted was 26,000 RMB ($3,800 US), if in China, other markets prices will vary.
I will probably visit the factory in the spring or as soon as the weather is acceptable.
Honda CRF 450
http://www.dejongtweewielers.com/media/CRF450R.jpg
[QUOTE=culcune;4442]Now that I think I can embed videos, here is another video of the bike in actual competition. Of course, no one knows what, if anything, was done to prep the bike, or if it's really their own bike, and the competition doesn't look extremely intense, maybe on par with how 'snortin nortin' rides on his home track after a few cappacinos, but this is their own company video:
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You bee funny boy Culcune , and I mean that in a funny San Francisco way Culcune ..:lol8:
Good video , no quad-tripple jumps , whats this ??? Probably break in half anyway . :thumbsup:
They do seam a bit under powered , or novice riders , like you . :lol8:
I do like the sound though of the video you sent me , seams plenty torquey , even for experienced cappacinno riders like me . You know my address , when is my bike getting here ? And where is that Mexican Hooker too ?
Cappaccino or not Simon , I will school you any day ....:thumbsup:
Later bro , when is your Streetfighter Model going to arrive Stateside ???
Snortin Norton
Well well well! If it isn't the Abominable Snorton Man come out from his snow cave! I was wondering if you've turned into an Eskimo by now?
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[QUOTE=CrazyCarl;4451]Well well well! If it isn't the Abominable Snorton Man come out from his snow cave! I was wondering if you've turned into an Eskimo by now?
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No no no , no Eskimo , pies here , yet .....It is freekin nasty here though and now were flooding huge time too Carl , Interstate 5 is closed and something like 70 Highways are shut down completely too . Its nasty bad. Was interesting going to work this morning for a couple hours . I took the Mazda RX-7 this morning , bad choice ! Hit a few puddles ( lakes ) that were over the door jamb bottom , but it didn't get in , forward momentum I guess .
Takin the Ford 4 X 4 tomorrow for sure , supposed to get worse tonight here .
Just been layin low Crazy Carl , that's all . Our Rottweiler died sometime during the night last night of old age, so its a pitiful sad day around here , and this weather aint helping my funny bone either . But , hey he had a great life and gave us lots of joy, so its all good , life goes on .
Glad to see Culcune back in the mix , even if he is not as big a smart ass as me , nor nearly as creative . Still good to see him get a freekin life finally .
Can you tell he is even kinda the Old Culcune inspired too now ? Can you imagine the scams going on in that little pee brain of his over these two bikes now ??? Plus he actualy ownes a bike now ( thank you very much ) too ???
Who'd of thunk it ???
Later Crazy Carl , back to work , Snortin out
Hi Guys!Somebody its rigth to me about the 450cc mx from Asiawing.Its looks like a Honda CRF clone!Like a 2005 model,wich if they do it rigth (I think they did)must be a real cross bike.IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME TO SEE HE THE CHINESE CLOSE THE GAP!Next move the 250 CRF and the video show the bikes as fast a a japanese.Will they would soon copy the 150 CRF?Time will tell,but for now i am happy.Please show more videos of this bikes,regards Motoviva.
ZMC888, when and if you visit the factory, make sure you take pictures and lots of them! I think that if you are giving them free exposure, they must let you ride their bikes, too!:thumbsup:
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motoviva, I think that there are a few CRF230 clones out there, as well as 150 clones. This 450 bike looks promising, and I wrote to the manager to make a dual-sport version, or perhaps one of the Baja Design kits would work on this bike, if they make one for the Honda. Could be a winner, depending on if the bikes have as much quality as they appear to have. :confused1:
Hi ZMC888, can you give me more information about this factory that produces these Yamaha Quad copies? Appears they really copy Yamaha engines. Since I own a YZ450F here in Beijing, they probably can supply some spare parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
The bike looks like a newer Yamaha YZ450F, at least the plastics do. But it's not, even not a good copy.
As one of guys posted here before, the picture of the engine shown at Asiawings website is SOHC engine. The YZ's have DOHC engine. What frustrates me more is the travel of the rear suspension. They say it's only 115 mm!!! That's far from enough. Even the front suspension with 250 mm is not good enough for real MXing. And the sound is bit strange, sounds like an 250 cc 4-stroke, sounds a bit like farting. I ride a 2005 YZ450F here in Beijing, the sound is much deeper. Furthermore the rider shifts the gears to often. I do not need to shift the gears that often. Appears the bike doesn't have enough power and/or torque. But the rider is also very bad, way to slow in turns.
The second video, the race shows that the bike is pretty imbalanced. The rear suspension dives much deeper than the front suspension. Can be the driver, maybe it is possible to adjust this, but doesn't match with the abovementioned travel of the suspension at all (front has much more travel than the rear).
However, the best China-made MX-bike I have seen so far. Would be interested if it's possible to buy the enduro version, if it would be possible to register the bike here. Then I would take it, install my real YZ450F components (engine, suspension etc), maybe only keep the frame, then I have street legal of-road bike here to explore the mountains, use it at the Taklamakan race etc.
Peter, the Asiawing bikes do not have the same engine as the YFZ450. Asiawing did not give any specs about their bike (they have now) and we were wondering where their engines were from. We are clear now that they have nothing to do with Yamaha. The Asiawing factory is 200km from me, there is some connection with Cagiva with them.
However there is a quad bike factory 5 kms from me and they are making low-end 400-450cc quads with single engines. These are basically low end Yamaha quads made in China with a different badge, but they are for low-end cheap market, sale not high-end race quads like the YFZ450R.
There is also only a pure dirt bike available, so no lights etc and not street legal unfortunately. :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by peterkue
Anyway keep posted, they probably will release some kind of enduro/super moto versions in the future, and I will be visiting the factory soon (in the next month or so).
On the Chinese site, their is a slideshow that shows their 450 with lights. I bet that the Honda enduro kit from Baja Designs would/should fit, but I don't know how practical it is to obtain the kits (ironically, probably made in China, too):crazy:
here is the link to the Baja Designs kit on an actual HOnda CRF450
https://www.bajadesigns.com/NET/P-12...;08-on+Crf450x
or this
https://www.bajadesigns.com/NET/P-12...#39;07+Crf450x
or this
https://www.bajadesigns.com/NET/P-12...ick+Led+04+Red
depending on what year the Asiawing is based on
I bet the kit could be "fudged" as needed.
This bike looks like something I would be interested in, look forward to getting the report from the factory...
Cheers guys
Mick
ZMC888, The pure dirt bike (motocross or MX) version is called LD450(蓝色) in Chinese. If you don't switch to the english part of asiawing's website, if you stay on the chinese part, you will also find the dual sports / enduro version (LD450(黑色):Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
http://www.asiawing.com/info_detail.asp?id=36&c_id=4
Putting some lamps on an MX-bike is usually not a big deal. There are many suppliers for this stuff. Most famous one is Acerbis from Italy, they do it for 25+ years now. There are also many in China, just check Alibaba, using "dirt bike" or "dirt bike equipment". For instance http://www.eaglegroup.cc/ or www.cntdrmoto.com . Pretty cheap, some of their parts are not too bad, actually very good (Some of these parts can be found in western catalogues...). If someone's interested in their parts, let me know, as I send out my next orders in a few days...Quote:
Originally Posted by culcune
While attaching some lamps is the easiest part to convert an MX bike into an Enduro, the rest is usually a big hassle: The MX versions' generator often don't supply power for the lights etc.
Moreover, the silencers are too loud, emissions to high, sidestand In many countries it has to flip up automatically or the ignition has to turn off automatically when shift into the gears or pulling the clutch lever), the entire bike needs a technical approval (homologation) according to national laws. Turns out to be pretty expensive and time consuming in most cases/countries.
There are uncountable manufacturers of "dirt bikes" in China, most of them just buy parts and assemble the bikes (very care less, as ususally here in China. If they just would spend a few more minutes, train their workers, do it with bit more of care, they could sell it for 50% more and have a sustaiable business. Buit you guys here in China know it, and it's another topic).
Many of them use the same (weak, outdated, heavy) engines, crappy suspension etc. So far asiawings bike seems to be the best (from what I can judge watching the videos and their website). That's why I was wondering if asiawings Enduro/Dual Sports version might be street legal in China, if I can register this bike here... Putting my Yamaha YZ450F engine into this frame, the suspension etc.... . But of course, this would be still far away from what I actually want (A KTM 450 or 530 EXC, registered, legal in Beijing).
BTW: I know in the US, Enduros are commonly called "Dual Sport" bikes (I'm German). But even those in the US who are serious about this sport don't use these words. There is no DUAL SPORT bike, it's either MX or Enduro. You can't do both (seroiusly) with the same bike. Even the bikes that KTM, Husqvarna, Husaberg, Yamaha (with their YZ-F's and WR-F's) etc manufacture are divided into the MX versions and the Enduro versions. Not just because of the lamps. Enduros usually have one more gear (wide speed span), another transmission, another softer suspension, often the frame differs, the engine has another setting, camshaft etc (enduro Engines need more torque/momentum at the bottom while MX's are more aggressive. The difference might be little for those who ride bikes like XT's, XL's and so on.
Honda doesn't have seriuous enduros (for competition/racing), that why there are many Enduro-Parts available for the CR-F's.
ZMC888, but the engines should be at least better than the stuff you get usually here. I'm not a "Quad-guy", but might be interested anyway. Maybe they sell the enigines only. Maybe these are the older YZ-F engines. If licensed by Yamaha, the engines should be reliable as well. What's the web-address of this quad-bike manufacturer?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
When you go there, take photos (if you can, if they let you take photos).
I just looked at the chinese link you posted for the LD450 Peterkue, noticed that it only has a 8.5 litre tank, that's very small, I guess unless the engine in very efficient, which I would doubt if its based on an older engine design that it will have a max range of about 150km. I guess it wasn't designed for distance though..
There are 50 states here in the US, and all of them have their own laws and/or loopholes. I live in Arizona which allows anything with a minimum set of street equipment to get a license plate. Just a few miles from me is the state of California, ironically where Baja Designs is located, and they closed the dual-sport loophole a few years ago, so no bikes can get street registered if they were formerly off-road bikes. There was a deadline a few years back, and now it's past that point!Quote:
Originally Posted by peterkue
Baja Design's kits are highly regarded in the US, and for many of the kits, they need to do a stator rewind (I think that is what they call it), to have the kit functioning properly.
I wish you luck on obtaining the 450 engine from that factory, and if you decide to join the rally.
That's righteous range for some of us! :thumbsup: :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by steamerstimpson
Just wanted to make a quick comparison between a 2005 DRZ400 and LD450, not sure how accurate the asia wing stats are of course, if the engine was an older design it would have perhaps similar outputs to the newer DRZ400 so I think that this engine could be a more up to date copy.
LD450
Horse power: 42.9 hp @ 7,500 rpm
MO Measured Torque: 31.35 LB ft @ 6000 rpm
Suzuki DRZ400
Measured Horsepower: 34.65 Hp @ 7,750Rpm
MO Measured Torque: 25.91 LbFt @ 6,000Rpm
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...-sm-18268.html
Any thoughts?
Okay, the wait is apparently over for this bike in the US--Roketa will be carrying it here, as well as Asiawing's Spark 500....can one say dual sport kit?!!
http://www.roketa.com/product/7/0/48423.shtml
Dual-sport/enduro/street bikes probably will be register-able in China for 25% above purchase price (according to region).
Asiawing factory report and ride report coming your way in March or sooner. Waiting for day with temp over 15c.
Bike based on Cagiva technology apparently.......